Does Giuliani Even Have A Path To The Nomination Anymore?

Speaking of the spectacular fall of Rudy Giuliani, both the Real Clear Politics and Pollster averages of the national race for the Republican nomination show Mike Huckabee climbing to within 3 points of Rudy Giuliani. Add to this Giuliani's current tie for distant 3rd in Iowa, his falling behind McCain into 3rd place in New Hampshire and his possibly having fallen into 4th place in South Carolina and we just may have a flameout of monumental proportions on our hands. So what's happened to the former front-runner? Two things out of his control and at least two that should have been within it.

First of all, Hillary Clinton began to lose her aura of inevitability. As you can see by looking at the InTrade market trends, Clinton peaked as the front-runner for the Democratic nomination on around Nov. 21, three weeks after the fateful Philadelphia debate. At that time her shares were trading at $72 (equating to 72% chance of winning the nomination.) Now they're trading at $55 a share.

Exactly one week after Clinton's shares began to fall, Giuliani's shares peaked at $46 and since then have dropped to the current price of $37; in that exact same period, Huckabee's shares rose from $8 to $16 a piece. Giuliani made the mistake of largely hanging his nomination hat on the ability to beat Hillary Clinton in November. When the threat of a Hillary Clinton nomination waned, so did most of the rationale for a Giuliani candidacy, which freed up Republican voters to go with their hearts, not with their heads. The result: the Huckabee surge.

Another problem for Giuliani has been the increased level of interest in domestic issues among the electorate and a reduced focus on foreign threats. Surprisingly, there really hasn't been much fearmongering over terrorism in this primary race on the Republican side (Tom Tancredo's ridiculous mall bombing ad notwithstanding.) Giuliani has even downplayed it in his ads, going up late in the cycle with ads that focused on his supposed success turning New York City around; this strategy has been echoed by McCain whose initial focus on his war hero status has given way to a fiscal restraint message. The political zeitgeist has turned on Giuliani in just about every way one could imagine, including from a media perspective. A few weeks ago there was a series of really bad news stories for Rudy, culminating in his less than stellar Meet The Press appearance of a week ago.

Of course, this didn't all have to mean the end of Rudy. As the reputations he'd cultivated as 9/11 hero and the anti-Hillary candidate waned in importance, what remained as the smoke cleared could have been a strong candidate who had a compelling message of why he should be president; he had neither. In addition, his over-reliance on his national lead and his relative neglect of the early states are now biting him in the ass. A few weeks ago I wrote that conventional wisdom had it that Giuliani needed to leave Iowa in 3rd place and New Hampshire in 2nd to have a chance; right now neither of those things appears likely.

And to top it all off is the latest poll out of Florida, which has always been the one state that showed Giuliani way ahead of the pack and, for a while there, holding steady. Not so in the latest Rasmussen Reports survey, which finds Giuliani dropping into 3rd with 19% behind Huckabee with 27% and Romney with 23%. This is the first Florida poll to show Giuliani in anything but first place, and his RCP average is still 13% ahead of Huckabee, but if this at all a sign of things to come for Rudy in Florida, the claim that Giuliani can hold out until Florida and run the table on February 5th, ie that Giuliani's lead would prove to be "momentum-proof," is about to be challenged severely. If Rudy collapses in Florida, any credible claim to a path to the nomination simply disappears.

Can Giuliani turn things around? Not too likely if today's coverage of his flailing campaign in New Hampshire is any indication. Here's The AP's take on his New Hampshire event today:

He's not giving up on New Hampshire yet. He returned for one public event on Monday and told an audience at a town hall meeting he hoped they would give him a boost "right here in New Hampshire, where you've got one heck of an important primary coming up."

"I'll be spending some of my Christmas holiday here in New Hampshire, which I really look forward to. Maybe you'll even get a chance to see me ski," he said. "We'll be here and we'll be working really hard to get your vote."

And here's First Read's:

If the Giuliani campaign was interested in playing down talk that the candidate is struggling in the early nominating states and not taking New Hampshire particularly seriously, it had a funny way of showing it.

Giuliani came to New Hampshire Monday, but had only public event (he also had a retail stop in Barrington but didn't alert the national media). Speaking to employees of Goss International Company, he seemed tentative and spent only half of his normal hour at the town hall (he was running late, campaign officials said, because of weather delays). After taking the last question, Giuliani seemed unclear what to do next, taking a long pause and outstretching his arms before transitioning to ask the attendees for their vote, which he has rarely done on the campaign trail.

All of which is to say that I think Jerome is right on with his prediction that InTrade will have Giuliani's chances of winning the nomination down in the single digits once the early states vote. Along the same lines, the reluctance that InTrade's traders appear to have in expressing as much confidence in a Huckabee nomination as his polling numbers would appear to merit, indicates to me that Romney right now is in the best position to win the nomination, even if he loses Iowa.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Republican primary, Rudy Giuliani (all tags)

Comments

9 Comments

I've been saying Rudy has no chance

for a while now. We need to start google-bombing Huckabee. I still think he is a lot more dangerous than Romney. Any of our candidates could beat Romney.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-17 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I've been saying Rudy has no chance

I dunno about that, if only because it seems like, with a Hillary nomination, history could repeat itself.  

I lived in Massachusetts during the 2002 Governor's race.  I have to say, if Hillary wins the nomination, she'll be an eerily similar candidate to Shannon O'Brien.  She was a DLC-style candidate, a woman, won a primary against an array of better options who split the left vote, and even came from a political family.  

Of course, Romney's flip-flopping makes him a lot weaker now than he was in that gubernatorial race, but there still are eerie parallels.  

by telephasic 2007-12-17 04:59PM | 0 recs
No comparison between Clinton and Giuliani

Compare their charts on RCP. She's still 18% ahead and this latest Gallup poll has here increasing her lead at twice the rate of Obama(+6% versus his +3%) as soft support peals off from Biden, Richardson et al. This diarist is clearly hoping she will be in the same situ as Rudy but it's not really the case if you look at the facts. She's still the favorite to win a majority of the six primaries in Jan and then she sweeps the board on super Tuesday. This diarist is also wrong about Huck, he's not the danger McCain is. Romney was never going to win it due to his religion. Irrational but that's Americans for you.      

by ottovbvs 2007-12-17 03:48PM | 0 recs
InTrade?

Kinda funny to see the references to it lately. I joked that Jerome's anti-Obama posts were because he had a short position on Obama at InTrade the other day, but that's about all I had seen.

Maybe the references were more commmon and I was oblivious.

Nevertheless, there is serious irrationality (money to be made) at InTrade.

For instance, the NH GOP field (anyone except Fred, Mitt, Rudy, McCain and Huck) is at 22 right now. Huh? Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter and Tommy Tancredo are the field. Anyone really believe one of them would WIN New Hampshire?

Ron Paul is still overpriced at 8 to win the whole GOP enchilada.

Edwards and Clinton Iowa contracts both seem low at 20 and 25, respectfully. Obama last traded at 69 in Iowa (though the highest bid now is 61.1).

NOTE FOR TRADING NOVICES: 100 is the highest possible price (think certainty) and 0 is the lowest (impossible).

by demondeac 2007-12-17 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: InTrade?

What kind of money is in that market?  I mean, you could short RP at $8 all you want and make out.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-12-17 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: InTrade?

An insane amount of active trading in the 2008 Ron Paul as GOP nominee market.

Huge (for intrade) volume. Plenty of traders lined up on both sides of bid/ask.

BID
Qty    Price
176    8.7
169    8.6
74    8.5
139    8.4
100    8.3
281    8.2
35    8.1
2    7.8
200    7.0
50    5.7
60    5.2
30    5.1
1    5.0
50    4.9
100    4.8

ASK
Price    Qty
8.8    121
8.9    45
9.0    46
9.1    7
9.2    200
9.3    16
9.4    210
9.5    129
10.0    201
11.1    50
15.0    2
16.0    529
99.9    1

by demondeac 2007-12-17 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: InTrade?

The difficulty for someone without big cash reserves to tie up in it is that to get all of your free money from the Paul shorts you have to wait until August and meantime you do have to tie up 92 for each one because you are required to cover your own margin.

The NH GOP field at 22 is extra sweet because it expires in less than a month!

Each contract is valued between 0 and $10 so if you wanted to short 100 of the GOP NH field at 22 you would have to tie up $780 as your margin between now and Jan 8. Not bad for a sure $220.

Yea, the 8% ROI on the longer term contract is not bad for 9 months. A lot better than a CD!

by demondeac 2007-12-17 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Does Giuliani

I thought Giuliani's strategy was always to lose the early states as graceful as he could- knowing he had little chance of winning- and concentrate solely on the Super Tuesday states in FEB to eke out a win.  I think he could still do that, actually.

by reasonwarrior 2007-12-17 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Does Giuliani Even Have A Path To The Nominati

A lot of people are saying that Ron Paul is overpriced on the prediction markets, but the people who are putting up money are saying otherwise.  

Huckabee's recent rise just showed that the polls are pretty much worthless as a prediction tool, as if we didn't know that already from candidates such as Kerry, Clinton, and Carter coming from way behind to win the nomination.

What tools are more objective?  Fundraising -- not just dollars, but number of donors.  Party-organized straw polls.  Grassroots support.  Internet activism.  Volunteer efforts.  In all of them, Ron Paul is leading the field, often by a large margin.

Ron Paul has more actual, active supporters than any other Republican.  His odds of winning are low only because his upside is probably capped at 30% in the GOP, thanks to his anti-war stance.  With so many candidates splitting the vote, and no clear front-runner, 30% could be enough to win. Then consider that his supporters are clearly more motivated and better organized, and an upset win is not unthinkable.

I wouldn't bet against him, especially not in New Hampshire where independents can vote in either primary.  

by Lex 2007-12-18 11:45AM | 0 recs

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