Who's going to battle Huckabee

I've link off of Soren Dayton's site once in a while to find out what the state of the race is for the Republicans. That said, when I ran into Soren in Las Vegas during the BlogWorldExpo in November, and told him that I though Huckabee could win their nomination, he was pretty skeptical, and instead felt pretty sure that Romney had the nomination in the bag.

I don't know that he's backing anyone, but EyeOn08.com is more friendly to McCain than any of the other candidates. And if McCain were to make some sort of comeback to win the nomination, it would shock the political world. Democrats believe, with good reason I think, that he's dead. But consider how many New Hampshire voters there are that backed McCain in 2000, his rise in the polls there, and that it wouldn't be out of character for Republicans to have their 'my turn' candidate established, then flirt around for a year, only to return to their first choice. But that would assume, as McCain obviously did, that McCain was being backed by BushCo.

However, after seeing the elder Bush's behind Romney during his 'war on secularism' speech, and remembering that Jeb is behind Romney, you get the feeling that McCain was supremely played by the Bush's and Rove in 2004, when he sold his support in exchange for being the perceived 'my turn' frontrunner.

And so, at the beginning of the year, we all watched as Giuliani took away the frontrunner position from McCain, while neocons waxed on, but now it's looking more and more like Giuliani's rise to the frontrunner position throughout much of 2007 was just a placeholder:

A bomb just dropped in the Presidential race. Rudy Giuliani was going to win the nomination by placing or showing in, but not winning, a bunch of early primary states. And then he was going to win in Florida. But a new Rasmussen poll, if verified with more polling, would explode that theory:

   Rasmussen GOP Florida Primary

   * Mike Huckabee 27% (9%)
    * Mitt Romney 23% (19%)
    * Rudy Giuliani 19% (27%)
    * Fred Thompson 9% (16%)
    * John McCain 6% (10%)
    * Ron Paul 4% (5%)
    * Some other candidate 2% (2%)

If he is in third and Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney have momentum in other states, it is hard to see how Rudy wins Florida. It seems highly unlikely that 5 losses in a row would end in a Tsunami Tuesday victory.

But look, it's not like McCain is gaining traction in Florida either. He never was the choice. And look at Thompson's downfall. In fact, Huckabee has just totally laid waste to the much-planned election strategies of Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson.

Everyone expected Romney to sweep the first few states. McCain was blowing off Iowa and awaiting in New Hampshire; Thompson was going to lay low and wait in South Carolina; Giuliani was going to wait in South Carolina.

The secret to Huckabee's rise is hugely a part of his background as a southern evangelical, and his getting ahold of a multi-million national email list of evangelicals certainly helped, as did some timely endorsements. But when you really think about it, the glaring opening that Huckabee moved through was that he was the only Republican that thought to challenge Romney at the very beginning. Instead of devising some sort of 'wait and see' strategy with a later state, Huckabee did Iowa.

Romney's campaign didn't see it coming. Or maybe they did and were just paralyzed, so now they are on the attack. Thompson's campaign is finally awake and are really going after Huckabee, and in Iowa. As for Giuliani and McCain's campaign, they are either still immobile to change or in denial. It might have been a stretch for me to claim at the beginning of the month that it was "Huckabee's race to lose" (and I still believe, and won't think otherwise until after Florida, that it's Clinton's nomination to lose either) but now it looks like Huckabee is ramping it up, and starting to move away.

However, someone is going to be last standing, maybe by getting 2nd place alot, and that person will be there challenging Huckabee for the nomination. Romney is not in that bad of a position, with him placing second, as that pushes the Giuliani/McCain/Thompson buses off the road. It looks like that will be Romney today, but I'm not all that sure about it. Mostly what I recognize is that he's got the backing of the establishment. I don't really think the BushCo world saw all that much difference between Giuliani/McCain/Thompson/Romney getting the nomination. But Huckabee is another matter. Huckabee talks about energy independence like he means it, with populism mixed in, and a real evangelical with some irrational beliefs. Huckabee, in signing on Ed Rollins today, took side with those Republicans that split from the Bush re-election in '92, a sign that it's quickly becoming Huckabee vs BushCo. I don't think it really matters all that much to them who the alternative is. Romney will do, which Soren won't care for much, but that's ok too.

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Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

I think Huckabee will loose momentum after NH if he does not finish better than 12%.

by Boilermaker 2007-12-14 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

Jerome, fascinating analysis, but I think McCain will win New Hampshire, and that means the battle will be McCain vs. Huckabee as Romney will be finished if he loses both Iowa and New Hamphsire.

Yes, it's interesting that McCain isn't getting any traction outside of NH, but there's enough time.  The MSM will annoit McCain as the "comeback" kid, if he wins New Hampshire.

And McCain is easily much more electable than Thompson or Huckabee.  The question is will the GOP act rationally?  Maybe McCain gets going in some of the 2/5 states like CA, NJ, NY, IL as Giuliani burns out.

If Huckabee gets the nomination, the GOP should be in trouble, but you never know with someone who is so smooth and likable.

by mikelow1885 2007-12-14 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

I think the Independents that helped McCain in New Hampshire in 2000 are going to break for Obama this time around.   (I really don't like Open Primaries...why should someone who isn't a member of your family getting a say in what you have for dinner?) I think McCain's last stand is in South Carolina.  Again.   And he loses.  Again.

by InigoMontoya 2007-12-14 10:52PM | 0 recs
In 2000, to give McCain the victory,

two-thirds of New Hampshire independents (technically called "Undeclared" I think and 30+% of the electorate) voted in the Republican primary.

This time around two-thirds of independents have for months now and in poll after poll said they plan to vote in the Democratic primary.  All of those voters might change their minds --- but with a flagging campaign and little buzz, McCain isn't really giving therm a reason to do so.

So the primary will be more conservative than usual, but still New England-y, which leaves an opening for Romney.

by psericks 2007-12-15 12:42AM | 0 recs
South Carolina

And even if McCain wins New Hampshire, where does he have an opening to win anywhere else?  He'll still get clobbered in South Carolina.  Where would he get the momentum back?  Florida?  Michigan?  Does he have enough money for Feb 5th?

by psericks 2007-12-15 12:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

I'm still hoping Paul has a say in what happens.  If he pulls off a second place in Iowa, I'm sure he'll have a stronger showing in NH.  Any thoughts on his chances.

by DocD 2007-12-14 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

I think Paul could get 3rd in both Iowa and New Hampshire. He's going to get 1st or 2nd in Nevada too.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-12-15 04:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

The differences between Huckabee and Bush are worthy of another diary.  Arkansas and Texas have always had this antagonistic relationship, and the politics of both states are definitely different.  But why does Huckabee offend the Bushes?  What do they fear?

by truthteller2007 2007-12-14 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

This really was a great analysis. I think Romney's strategy now is pretty clear: exceed the newly-lowered expectations in Iowa and emerge as the anti-Huckabee. If it really did come down to Mitt vs Mike I think Romney's chances look pretty good.

Here's what I don't get -- people talk about Giuliani's Feb 5 strategy as being forced on him by Romney's strength in the early states, but why did Giuliani write off Iowa in the first place? He never had to let Romney outspend him, he had the resources to compete and went in with great early numbers and name recognition. He could have owned this thing from the beginning. My own theory is he just didn't want to do the kind of retail campaigning those early states require, since it involves, you know, staying in crappy hotels and talking to people who aren't paying you seven figure fees. But I still think it's a puzzle. Yeah, he got some bad advice somewhere along the line, but any moron could have realised that it's better to win the early states than lose them if you have a choice.

by thesleepthief 2007-12-14 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's going to battle Huckabee

Giuliani probably feared the Republican base of Iowa for all the reasons discussed on the conservative blogs.  He is also somewhat arrogant, and I doubt Iowans would tolerate his condescension.  This may explain why Florida and the television primaries are his foci.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-14 07:53PM | 0 recs
I still think Romney is the favored

Even if Huckabee wins Iowa, I think Romney will still win in New Hampshire, Nevada and Michigan, due to being a yankee, a mormon, and his father being gov of Michigan.

Huckabee probably peaked a little bit too early, however. With news that he pulled a Dukakis with Dumond (let a black guy out of prison to rape a white woman), with religiousness scaring the crap out of the establishment GOP, with little financial backing, etc. I think that Huckabee, while he may pull off a win in Iowa, it will be close and not be enough for him to win New Hampshire.

There's still an outside chance for McCain to win New Hampshire, but i honestly think that his chances are still mostly done and that he can't rely on a 'surge' to save the day for him.

by KainIIIC 2007-12-14 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I still think Romney is the favored

But will voters learn of the Dumond case?  I notice a website appeared recently, but I do not know if the person maintaining the website runs a PAC.  One of the Republican candidates has to gain access to the mother of the daughter if her story is to be aired.  She has indicated an interest in campaigning, but no one has adopted her.  She may not even be a Republican.  

Do you have more background on her?  Is she in Iowa campaigning against Huckabee?  

by truthteller2007 2007-12-14 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I still think Romney is the favored

If Dumond was black, he'd never have become a right-wing cause celebre; he was a redneck.  And the other difference is that, unlike Dukakis who had zip to do with the release of Willie Horton, Huckabee personally decided to release Dumond, then, when it looked like the action might have negative political consequences, lobbied the parole board in an illegal, closed executive session and pulled strings to get Dumond moved to a different prison so that he could be paroled before Huckabee had to decide one way or the other on clemency.  And then lied about it and attempted to bury the evidence that he'd lobbied the board and that he'd heard from Dumond's victims and their families that he was a genuine serial rapist, not the innocent victim Steven Dunleavy and Jay Cole had portrayed in their campaign of lies on Dumond's behalf.

by Alex 2007-12-14 10:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I still think Romney is the favored

I think Huckabee will win the south, Iowa, MO and the Plain States. The rest of the countrie will be divided up between Romney, McCain and Giulliani. Borkered convention or off to the courts.

by Boilermaker 2007-12-15 05:36AM | 0 recs

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