How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

From the diaries, Jerome

When I talk to friends or family from other parts of the country, they always want to know how I think the candidates are doing in Iowa.

This diary is about why that's a tough question to answer.

First, I'll discuss why opinion polls can't necessarily tell us who would win the caucuses if they were held tonight.

Then I'll explain why it can even be difficult for active volunteers to gauge who is ahead in their own neighborhoods.

Finally, I will go over the unscientific methods we foot-soldiers in Iowa use to figure out where our candidates stand.

In case you missed the earlier installments in the series:

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 1 (basic elements of the caucus system)
How the Iowa caucuses work, part 2 (corrects an error in part 1 and discusses who is over-represented and who is under-represented when delegates are counted)
How the Iowa caucuses work, part 3 (why it's hard to turn out caucus-goers)
How the Iowa caucuses work, part 4 (more about why caucus turnout is low)
How the Iowa caucuses work, part 5 (on second choices and caucus math)
How the Iowa caucuses work, part 6 (on how precinct captains help their candidates before caucus night)

If you like political geography, you may want to know Where the Iowa field offices are. I have continued to update this diary as candidates have added more field offices this month.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

With new Iowa polls being released every few days, it can't be emphasized strongly enough that it is very difficult to identify likely caucus-goers. Mark Blumenthal, who has forgotten more about polling than I know, has described the Iowa caucuses as "the pollster's nightmare". He has explained in detail why the likely voter screens adopted by pollsters can greatly affect the findings. (Incidentally, Blumenthal worked on Paul Simon's campaign in Iowa before the 1988 caucuses.) Chris Cillizza covers the same problem in this post.

If you click on only one link in this diary, make it this post by Blumenthal about his efforts to obtain more information on pollsters' likely voter screens and the demographic makeup of their respondents. Blumenthal demonstrates that

the differences in the way pollsters measure "likely caucus goers" in Iowa are huge, not just in how narrowly they define the electorate but in the kinds of voters pollsters select as "likely caucus goers."

The second-choice option presents another challenge to pollsters. People backing candidates who have less than 15 percent support in a precinct can either join a different candidate's group or try to attract enough people to bring their candidate up to that viability threshold. As I've discussed before, the second choices of caucus-goers can change the delegate counts in unexpected ways.

Many pollsters now ask respondents in Iowa about their second choices. But most caucus-goers won't need to go to a second choice. Recognizing this fact, some pollsters only report the second choices of respondents who name Chris Dodd, Joe Biden or Bill Richardson as their first choice. That seems logical, because those candidates are polling below 15 percent statewide.

Trouble is, there will be hundreds of precincts in which one or more of the "second-tier" candidates are viable, and there will be hundreds of precincts in which one of the "top-tier" candidates is not viable. As Roger Simon recently noted, even the 2004 winner, John Kerry, was not viable in 222 of the nearly 1,800 precincts in Iowa. (Some of those were rural precincts that assigned only one delegate, so that only the candidate with a majority of votes in the precinct was "viable.")

Perhaps the biggest reason it is hard to poll Iowa is that not everyone's vote will carry equal weight on caucus night.

Remember, raw votes do not determine the winner. The winner will be the candidate who gets a plurality of the 2,500 Democratic state delegates.  

"Geraldine" put up a great post at Iowa Progress earlier this year on The Inequalities of the Iowa Caucus. The post demonstrates that in 2004, it took more voters to assign a state delegate in some counties than in others. I discussed this finding in an earlier diary, but I want to highlight this paragraph from Geraldine's post again:

When one looks at the number of caucusgoers that it takes to elect a delegate in each county, there is a clear pattern. Caucusgoers in small, rural, Republican counties wield disproportionate power compared to those in more urban Democratic counties. In fact, the people who are most disadvantaged by this are students. Of the four counties where it required the most caucusgoers to elect a delegate [in 2004], three of them had significant student populations: Johnson, Poweshiek and Story. It is a system that favors the old over the young, the rural over the urban, Western Iowa over Eastern Iowa. It is a method that of selecting a candidate that has a clear bias and to be successful, presidential candidates have to spend a disproportionate amount of energy on less populous rural areas.

The most-populous Iowa counties may well have more than 50 caucus-goers show up on January 3 for each state delegate allocated to the county. In many smaller counties, perhaps fewer than 30 caucus-goers will turn out that night per state delegate allocated to the county.    

To complicate matters further, even within the same county, not everyone's vote counts the same. A couple of months ago an acquaintance and I swapped caucus stories over lunch. He supported Dennis Kucinich and still regrets that his group fell just short of viability in his precinct. They needed two more people, and he couldn't convince even his wife to come over to the Kucinich corner.

Wow, you must have had a lot of Kucinich supporters in your neighborhood, I said. (There were a handful at my caucus, but they would have needed two dozen more to be viable.) Well, he said, there were four of us, and we needed six to be viable.

Hang on--you only needed six people to reach the 15 percent threshold? That's right. That means no more than 40 people showed up for his precinct caucus.

He isn't from some remote rural area. He lives in Des Moines, the biggest city in Iowa's biggest county (Polk). In my own Polk County precinct, we needed 27 supporters to reach the 15 percent threshold in 2004. There were precincts in Des Moines where candidates needed more than 40 supporters just to be viable. I couldn't believe there was a precinct in this town where only 40 people turned out to caucus.

Since then I have contacted this acquaintance several times to try to bring him over to Edwards. He's still undecided, considering Edwards, Obama and Richardson. I figure, if I can get him and his wife to caucus for Edwards, that will be worth as much as winning over eight or nine people in my precinct (assuming the disparity in our neighborhoods' turnout is comparable this year).

Iowa City-based blogger John Deeth mentioned this aspect of the caucus system in a recent post at Iowa Independent:

For example in 2004, in Iowa City Precinct 18, a hotbed of activism full of liberal professors and students, 534 caucus-goers recreated the Black Hole Of Calcutta in the Longfellow Elementary School gym.  In North Liberty Precinct 1, full of trailer courts, newly developed housing and independents who marked their fall ballots for the Democratic ticket, only 171 people showed up.  But based on their general election voting in 2000 and 2002, North Liberty 1 and Iowa City 18 each elected the same total of 10 [Johnson County] delegates.

To put it another way, each person who showed up to caucus in North Liberty Precinct 1 influenced the allocation of Johnson County delegates as much as three people who caucused in Iowa City Precinct 18.

There is simply no way a pollster can weight for these disparities. A survey may find 25 percent support for Clinton, Obama and Edwards, but without knowing how those supporters are distributed across the state, it is hard to predict who will walk away with the most state delegates.

Since polls do not tell the whole story in Iowa, campaign staff and volunteers rely on direct voter contacts to gauge how their candidates are doing. All year, spreadsheets are updated as voters considered likely to attend the caucuses are identified as supporters, non-supporters, undecided or unlikely to caucus. I talked about the ways precinct captains help identify voter preferences in part 6 of this series.

I have a "vote goal," which is the number of supporters the campaign thinks will be needed to put Edwards in position to earn the most delegates at my precinct caucus. My spreadsheet tells me how many people in my precinct have signed supporter cards for Edwards or have said they will caucus for him. We also keep track of voters who say they are leaning to Edwards.

There are bound to be some Edwards supporters I don't know about, but just going by my spreadsheet, I am not at all worried about crossing the 15 percent threshold in my precinct. Even if turnout is considerably higher than it was in 2004, I know we will have at least 15 percent of the attendees in the Edwards corner.

Nevertheless, my voter contacts cannot tell me who would win my precinct if the caucuses were held tonight. Will Edwards have enough supporters to earn two or three delegates out of the six assigned by my precinct? Without knowing the total turnout, I can only guess. If we have 50 Edwards supporters, that would be enough for two delegates if 150 people attend my caucus, but it would not be enough for two delegates if 250 people turn up.

It's even harder to figure out how much support other candidates have in my neighborhood. Some people don't hesitate to tell me whom they support, but others prefer not to say. I label those voters non-supporters, but that doesn't help me figure out which candidate is Edwards' main competition in the precinct.

Some registered Democrats in my neighborhood never call me back and are not home when I knock on their door. Are they supporting other candidates, or do they simply not plan to caucus on January 3?

How many other candidates will cross the 15 percent threshold in my precinct? I know Biden or Richardson supporters who say Edwards is their second choice. They will only end up in our corner if their preferred candidates are not viable.

No matter how hard I work my precinct ahead of time, I won't know how many delegates we'll get for Edwards until the evening of January 3.

The unknowns can be frustrating, so volunteers and staffers look for other ways to figure out the state of the race in Iowa. Here are a few of these unscientific methods:

1. Track preferences of people who caucused in 2004

Most of the people who turn out on January 3 will have attended their precinct caucus in 2004. When I talk with politically active Iowans about the campaign, I usually ask whom they supported in 2004 as well as whom they support now.

All year I've been thinking that the path for Edwards in Iowa is to hold on to at least half of the people who caucused for him last time while bringing over a quarter of the Kerry supporters, a third of the Howard Dean supporters, and half of the Dick Gephardt and Kucinich supporters. This is just something I came up with, not based on any internal campaign strategy I'm aware of. It's not the only path to winning Iowa, but it seems reasonable.

With this in mind, I don't get bent out of shape every time I encounter someone who caucused for Edwards before but now favors a different candidate. I've had enough conversations with former Edwards supporters to feel very confident that he is holding on to a majority of those who were in his corner last time. (My field organizer and other volunteers get the same impression from their voter contacts.)

By the same token, I would be alarmed if the vast majority of people who caucused for Kerry were backing a particular candidate other than Edwards. Having been a precinct captain for Kerry, I know a lot of former Kerry supporters, and my sense is that they are all over the map, with no candidate dominating and Edwards getting a decent share of this group.

2. Track which candidates are getting serious consideration from undecided voters

My biggest regret from the last campaign was that I didn't grasp sooner that undecided voters had ruled out Dean and Gephardt. For months I was demoralized by polls showing Dean and Gephardt way ahead of the others in Iowa, but I should have paid attention to all the people telling me, "I don't know, but not Dean."

I strongly disagree with the conventional wisdom that says Dean and Gephardt destroyed each other with negative advertising during the final weeks of the campaign. I have been unable to find a link to this video, but I recall seeing a C-SPAN panel discussion after the 2004 primaries, which included Gephardt's campaign manager, Steve Murphy. He talked about focus groups the campaign convened in Iowa in September 2003. They were trying to figure out what message would break Gephardt out of the low 20s, but they could not crack the code. In fact, they repeatedly found that no matter what message they tried, as focus group participants learned more about all the candidates, they gravitated toward Kerry and Edwards--just as tens of thousands of Iowans did a few months later.

I can't remember the name of the former Kerry staffer who was on this panel. He joked that he wished Steve Murphy had picked up the phone to tell him about these focus groups--it would have saved him a lot of anxiety later that fall (when all the opinion polls showed Kerry way behind in Iowa and New Hampshire). If anyone remembers seeing this panel discussion or can dig up a link to it, please let me know in the comments.

In any event, I have been predicting all year that Hillary Clinton would finish no better than third in Iowa. The biggest reason is the large number of people who have told me that they don't have a candidate yet, but they know they won't caucus for Hillary.

Similarly, I have felt all year that there was room for Biden and Richardson to significantly improve their standing in Iowa, because of the number of undecided voters who tell me they really like one or both of those candidates. I never believe any candidate has hit a ceiling until I stop running into undecided voters who might break that way.

A cautionary note: I try to ask all kinds of politically active Iowans (not just Edwards supporters) what they hear from the undecided voters they know. That's because working from just one campaign's list of undecided voters will skew what you hear.

The Obama supporter icebergslim recently wrote a diary about volunteering in Iowa. She made phone calls from the Obama field office in Cedar Rapids, and here's one thing she found:

I noticed that of the undecideds they told me that it was between Obama and Clinton.  I was surprised at that, but hey, who knows.  I did not take a call where an undecided was with Edwards.  And what does that mean?

When I call through my list of dozens of undecided voters, I almost never hear they are stuck between Clinton and Obama. That's not surprising, because if anyone told me or an Edwards field organizer earlier in the year that they were only considering Clinton and Obama, we would not code that person as "undecided." We would code that person as a non-supporter, and the name would probably be removed from our lists for canvassing and phone banking.

On my list, lots of people still can't decide between Edwards and Richardson, Edwards and Obama, Edwards and Biden or (less frequently) Edwards and Clinton. Most of those people wouldn't be on a list of undecided voters that Obama volunteers such as icebergslim would call. The Obama campaign would probably already have coded them as non-supporters, with the exception of those wavering between Edwards and Obama.

3. Compare the organizational strength of the campaigns

All of the campaigns are working hard to identify supporters and make sure they attend the caucuses, but some candidates have more boots on the ground than others. I discussed this in my diary on Where the Iowa field offices are. Obama and Clinton have the most field offices by far. Clinton, Edwards and Obama have the largest contingent of field organizers (exact numbers are not available, as campaigns are continually adding staff in Iowa).

Meanwhile, the Edwards campaign has said it has precinct captains in more than 85 percent of Iowa's precincts, and it has volunteer steering committees in all 99 counties. The group blog Iowa Independent has twice put Edwards at the top of its "Democratic power rankings" because of the continuing superiority of his grassroots organization. They noted in November that "Edwards started about a year ago with the best organization in Iowa, and most of the foundation he built here is still in place."

Another cautionary note: we say, "Organize, organize, organize, and then get hot at the end." On caucus day 2004, Des Moines Register political columnist David Yepsen predicted Dean would win based on his superior organization. But getting hot at the end sealed the deal for Kerry and Edwards.

4. Notice who gets mentioned by people who don't "seem" political

I don't expect a huge turnout on January 3, but I have kept my ears open this year for signs that voters who did not caucus in 2004 are excited about one of our current candidates. It seems that Obama and Clinton in particular would benefit from a massive turnout of people who have never caucused before. I attended a house party for Obama in May. Most of the people there were political junkies, but one woman hadn't even voted in 2004 or 2006. She drove 20 minutes from her home on a weeknight to learn more about Obama after seeing him on Oprah. Is she still with him, and will she find her way to her precinct caucus?

Nate Willems, who was a regional director for Dean's campaign in Iowa, has been volunteering for Edwards this year and observed last month:

In making calls through a list of rural Democrats who are consistent primary voters, but who lack a history of attending a caucus, my anecdotal notes show that Clinton is significantly stronger than any other candidate.  Accordingly, it does seem that she would benefit from a larger turnout.  

Amongst rural Democrats with a record of attending their caucus, my notes show a very competitive race between Edwards and Clinton with Obama distinctly behind.

I have a neighbor who votes in general elections but doesn't caucus or vote in primaries (I contacted her several times before the 2004 caucus and the 2006 gubernatorial primary). This year, I've heard her say that she likes Hillary but isn't sure whether she will attend our precinct caucus. Can the Clinton campaign find women like her and get them out on January 3?

5. Count endorsements from newspapers and public figures

I don't think most voters are taking their cue from newspaper endorsements, but candidates often put quotes from them in their television advertisements during the final weeks. My sense is that these endorsements are most helpful to second-tier candidates, as they give voters leaning in their direction a signal that these are serious contenders. So, for instance, if Biden racks up a lot more newspaper endorsements than Richardson or Dodd, that could help him with undecided voters who are not thrilled with the top-tier candidates.

As for prominent public figures, former governor Tom Vilsack and his wife Christie have been campaigning for Clinton, longtime Attorney General Tom Miller and Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie have endorsed Obama, and Congressman Bruce Braley has endorsed Edwards. Senator Tom Harkin and Congressman Leonard Boswell are not expected to endorse, and I haven't heard anything about Congressman Dave Loebsack.

John Deeth has been keeping track of state legislators' endorsements at Iowa Independent, most recently in this post, which also shows which candidates Iowa Democratic legislators endorsed during the last presidential campaign. I think Clinton and Obama may have each gotten one or two endorsements since Deeth's chart was posted, though.

Again, I wouldn't make too much of these endorsements, but it is striking that Biden has so many more than Dodd or Richardson.

6. Counting yard signs and bumper stickers around town

If yard signs told the whole story, Ron Paul would be ahead of Mike Huckabee among Iowa Republicans. So clearly, this isn't the most important indicator of a candidate's strength. Campaign staff never want to get bogged down in "yard sign wars" and never seem to have as many signs as volunteers would like to put up in their neighborhoods.

At the same time, paying attention to people's yard signs and bumper stickers can help precinct captains identify the preferences of neighbors who don't like to answer the phone. Also, I have no doubt that a wave of yard signs appearing for a particular candidate has a psychological affect on Iowans who are undecided or supporting other candidates.

(Side note on bumper stickers: an Edwards supporter in my neighborhood told me a few weeks ago that she saw a car driving in Des Moines with an "Impeach Hillary" sticker. How deranged are these wingnuts?)

When I mention some of my unscientific observations on political blogs, I sometimes am mocked for citing anecdotal evidence. It's possible that my impressions and what I hear about other volunteers are way off base.

But I will never forget the day I called my Kerry field organizer in mid-December 2003. I had started finding Edwards supporters all over my precinct, a big change from October, when I only identified two people backing Edwards. I told my field organizer that Edwards was becoming a problem and would probably be viable in my neighborhood. He said, "I know." They were hearing the same thing from all their precinct captains in the Des Moines area. This was several weeks before Iowa polls started showing Edwards' rapid rise and the Des Moines Register endorsed Edwards.

Sometimes it's worth listening to the word on the street.

Thanks to those who read this long diary. I look forward to reading your comments. In upcoming diaries, I will cover the different ways to win your precinct, explain what precinct captains do on caucus night, and respond to some arguments raised by those who like the caucus system.

Tags: 2008 elections, Democratic Party, Iowa, polling, president, Primaries (all tags)

Comments

62 Comments

Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I still think your guy is in the best position to win and I am very high on him that he probably would.

I have seen you make the argument that , it's going to be ,

Edwards - Obama - Clinton.

I think you are most likely going to be proven right in the end.

By the way if it ends up that way it would be a blow to my candidate but it'll be a softer blow .

I am still crossing my fingers for Clinton to pull it out in iowa but it is going to be tough at this point.

Great write up , you seem to be knowledgeable about the caucuses and the intricacies of it more than anyone on this blog.

by lori 2007-12-13 08:41PM | 0 recs
last week I spoke with a field organizer

for Edwards in a different county. I asked him how Clinton was doing where he is. He thinks she is behind Edwards and Obama there, but then he said he sometimes wonders if her campaign is just working on "a different universe" than the other campaigns.

Will Hillary shock me by turning out a different universe of voters on January 3? I don't rule it out.

For what it's worth, John Deeth (who knows as much about the caucuses as I do) has predicted that women voters will carry Clinton to victory here.

She has a clear path to winning Iowa: hold on to her slim lead among older voters and turn out record numbers of first-time women caucus-goers. I think Hillary's latest campaign video with her mom and daughter is very good and could help her with both those objectives.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-13 08:49PM | 0 recs
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I assume you saw last weekend's NYT piece about how the Hillary campaign is having trouble "getting" Iowa.  I don't think the NYT knows very much about anything, but I've always felt that Edwards had a big big advantage by virtue of having campaigned in the state before.  And since he dramatically outperformed expectations in 2004, common sense tells you he knows something.

While Hillary is not my candidate, I would be very very happy if your prediction about first-time women voters came to pass, because I think that would be a very very good sign for her ability to win the general election.  I'm frankly surprised that Hillary can't simply wave her hand at a college campus and get every single female student to vote for her, for the history alone.

by Steve M 2007-12-13 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: last week I spoke with a field organizer

That have been behind the 8th ball with iowa since the beginning of the campaign.

I remeber there was a point from about June to September she barely went to Iowa , granted she was voting in the senate but I think they just didn't get it.

You would think Tom Vilsack would have said something.

by lori 2007-12-13 08:57PM | 0 recs
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" they "

by lori 2007-12-13 08:57PM | 0 recs
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I respect Hillary for contesting Iowa even if she doesn't end up doing well.  There was all this talk about her just conceding the state altogether and I really don't think that's how politics should be done, unless you have money problems and can't help it.  I mean, if she's the nominee, I'm going to want her to go everywhere and ask everyone for their vote.

by Steve M 2007-12-13 09:01PM | 0 recs
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Yep , she couldn't have skipped it , but if you are going to play , you have to play it the way it is played right from the get go , don't wait till your opponents are almost at the end zone before you come to play.

by lori 2007-12-13 09:06PM | 0 recs
what's weird is

they shook up the Iowa operation in June and brought in Teresa Vilmain, who knows how to run a campaign in Iowa. They had plenty of money to hire as many people as they needed. They had a former two-term governor and a former two-term president going around campaigning for Hillary in July.

Maybe they believed their own press too much after she opened up a bigger lead in national polls over the summer, and started gaining in Iowa around July 4.

Possibly they just discounted the idea that Obama could compete in Iowa, and figured Edwards had no place to go after Iowa.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-13 09:29PM | 0 recs
Re: last week I spoke with a field organizer

I'm 25.  Most women of my generation know they will see a female president in our lifetime.  They just don't warm to Clinton as much as they do Obama.  So for them, it's "a woman some day, just not this woman now."

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 05:12AM | 0 recs
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shock and awe! Are you a woman!!!!!!!!! damn it, i was beginning to crush on you! lol

by sepulvedaj3 2007-12-14 06:52AM | 0 recs
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I think I just have communication issues.  I'm not a woman but many of my peers are.  Hm. Maybe if you crush on me some more I'll start supporting Clinton. ;)

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 07:06AM | 0 recs
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lol --

So, whens the next time u'll be in nyc???

by sepulvedaj3 2007-12-14 07:17AM | 0 recs
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Leave my parochial farm land for the big city?  Perish the thought!

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 07:19AM | 0 recs
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i'm sure you'll have a blast

by sepulvedaj3 2007-12-15 09:55AM | 0 recs
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My wife's a great example of exactly what you're talking about.  She's an Edwards supporter (as am I), but she's said repeatedly that she feels a lot of guilt for not supporting the first viable female presidential candidate.  If Clinton had Edwards' positions, we'd both be supporting her!

by radical centrist 2007-12-14 07:49AM | 0 recs
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I would be tempted to support her even now with the positions she has, but she is just too polarizing.

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 07:55AM | 0 recs
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Yeah I saw that but I would bet on your prediction.

by lori 2007-12-13 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

Your diaries are always so fascinating.  I confess I'm one of those people who hits recommend after like the first line.

It's amazing to me that you actually get penalized for living in a more activist community.  I understand why it happens, but wow, what a weird system.

Something that I can't quite grasp is how it happens that so many Iowans show so much interest in meeting the candidates and really, really putting time into the process... but then don't show up to caucus.  It's odd to me.

I'm glad you don't think I'm silly for believing Biden will make it into the top three.

By the way, of the people who supported Edwards in 2004 but don't support him this time, is there any particular reason that stands out?

Edwards is trading at 11 cents to win Iowa at Intrade and that just seems crazy low to me.  I tend to think it's a case of you knowing more than they do, rather than the reverse.  Perhaps I should put some money down.

by Steve M 2007-12-13 08:50PM | 0 recs
I never thought of putting it that way

"you actually get penalized for living in a more activist community." That's a good way of expressing it.

I think the idea is to reward candidates who appeal to a broad base of voters so that our nominee can win more than a handful of counties. But you are right, it ends up penalizing people who are more involved in the process.

As for the Iowans who show up to meet the candidates, I think those people for the most part do caucus. There may be people who show up just for one or two celebrity events and don't caucus.

But the Iowans who try to see most of the candidates in person will caucus unless they spend the winter at a second home somewhere warmer than Iowa (not an insignificant number of people, by the way).

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-13 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I never thought of putting it that way

That is a good way to put it.

Here's another way to think of it: the caucuses happen in a hypothetical "general election" electorate, and the caucus attendees are theoretically representing all the Democratic voters of the precinct.  The precincts that are "over-represented" are ones with weak voting Dems who'll support the ticket in the fall, but won't go to a meeting.

It's all based on top of the ticket votes for Kerry in `04 and Chet Culver in `06.  (Which is another thing that penalizes student areas, as their turnout tends to drop the most in the off-year.)

by jdeeth 2007-12-14 07:34AM | 0 recs
working on a post about Biden and Richardson

that should go up in the next week or so.

It would be a tall order for Biden to finish in the top three, but you should hear the way people talk after they see him in person.

If he had the money and the media hype Obama has had this year, he would cruise to the nomination. The netroots don't get how well he does the retail politics.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-13 09:16PM | 0 recs
hard to generalize

about the former Edwards supporters who are backing someone else. Everyone has a different story to tell.

There are people who liked the fresh face in 2004 and now like Obama's fresh face.

There are people who thought he was the more moderate choice in 2004 and now think he's too liberal.

There are also people who ended up with Edwards by process of elimination, because they considered our whole field in 2004 somewhat weak. Now they still like Edwards, but they prefer one of the other candidates in our strong field. Fortunately from my perspective, Edwards remains the second choice for many of these people.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-13 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

desmoinesdem, do you have a prediction on who the Des Moines Register might endorse?  I read on The Fix that the DMR is set to endorse a candidate after the debate today.

I think it will Edwards but another person on another blog strongly believes it might be Biden.  The person believes the DMR likes to endorse the  underdogs.

What do you think?

by FilbertSF 2007-12-13 09:20PM | 0 recs
I've been thinking Clinton or Biden

You have to remember that the Register has a different publisher, different managing editor, and different editorial page editor than in 2004. So it's not the same group of people who endorsed Edwards.

Part of me says Clinton, because the majority of the Des Moines business elite are with Clinton, and the Register's publisher and managing editor are women, as are several others on the editorial board.

One of my fellow Edwards precinct captains told me after watching the debate that he could tell from Carolyn Washburn's non-verbal communication that they will go with Clinton.

I could also see them going with Biden. It's a "safe" choice for them, as it will not offend high-profile supporters of the top tier. He is doing well on the stump, and not many people dislike him.

I don't think the Register will go with Dodd or Richardson, because they recently rapped both of them on the knuckles for supposedly being unrealistic about how fast we could get all our troops out of Iraq.

I guess we'll find out on Sunday!

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-13 09:27PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I'm not Desmoinesdem, but I've heard they're leaning Clinton with Biden a distinct possibility.  Clinton because the editorial board is majority female.  Biden because of his experience.

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I find it hard to imagine what source you could possibly have that knows they are leaning Clinton "because the editorial board is majority female."  I mean, that sounds like a snotty comment someone who favors a different candidate would say, "they're only picking Hillary because she's a woman."

by Steve M 2007-12-14 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I'm sorry, I meant to say "Some people may say" that's why they're endorsing her.  That way I can wash my hands of an unfair attack by placing it on someone else.

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I am impressed by the sheer amount of cleverness that you credit yourself with.

by Steve M 2007-12-14 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I don't think I'm clever, but some people might. ;) I love you Steve.

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

Now, now.  You will make sepulvedaj3 jealous.

by Steve M 2007-12-14 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

I'm mormon.  It's OK.

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

Do you remember what time the results came in last year? And, what time of night was the so-called Dean scream?

by aiko 2007-12-14 03:11AM | 0 recs
I don't remember

The presidential preference stuff ends around 7:30 or 7:45. At that point most people leave. I called my field organizer to report the results from my precinct, and then I went back in the room for the long, boring process of approving draft resolutions to the county platform, delegate selection, etc.

By the time I got home around 8:45 or so, it seems like the media had already been reporting the results.

I think the Dean scream was sometime after 9 pm. I didn't see it live, because we were focused on getting our baby fed and ready for bed. I'm sure someone else here will remember the details about when everything happened.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 04:06AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't remember

Thanks.

FYI. The Obama campaign has closed volunteer opportunities for out-of-state folks to head to Iowa for the caucus. "The campaign has closed all requests to help from other states"

Not sure if its because they are confidant of victory, already have more volunteers than they need, or just don't want to repeat the 'orange hat' fiasco of 2003. Bottom line: as of today, out-of-state folks are being directed to go to NH or SC and help with GOTV there.

by aiko 2007-12-14 04:21AM | 0 recs
now that is interesting

Either they are very confident, or the mainstream media pickup of the recent Yepsenity has spooked them. They might want to avoid any appearance that they are encouraging out of state people to do anything in Iowa.

Edwards supporters, feel free to come to Iowa to help out at one of the field offices!

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 04:27AM | 0 recs
Re: now that is interesting

I think you've got it with the Yepsen part

by Quinton 2007-12-14 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)
Excellent series, thanks!
by benny06 2007-12-14 04:49AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

as always, a delight to read.

by sepulvedaj3 2007-12-14 06:58AM | 0 recs
thanks for reading

They are fun to write.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

desmoinesdem, great series!  I've learned a lot reading it.

I've been wondering about the decision tree people are going through.  I used to think that Edwards and Obama were basically fighting over the same group of voters as the anti-Clinton candidate, but lately I'm wondering if instead, Edwards and Clinton are fighting for the more traditional Dem voter and Obama is getting more strength from those who are either new to the political process or fed up with politics and politicians.  

In speaking with voters, what's your feeling about this?  Are all three fighting for the same voters, or is there really the dichotomy I hypothesize above?

by katerina 2007-12-14 07:24AM | 0 recs
I think there are lots of groups

I wouldn't try to divide the Iowa caucus-goers into just two or three types.

There are anybody-but-Hillary people, and they do seem to mostly be going for Edwards or Obama.

But you are right, there are also people who like both Edwards and Clinton and have ruled out Obama. The Des Moines Register just quoted someone like that today. She is torn because she really likes Edwards, but she really wants to see a woman president. She may make up her mind on January 3.

On the left/peacenik wing, there are voters who can't decide whether to go for Obama because he was against the war from the beginning, Richardson because he has the strongest stand on getting troops out, or Edwards because he is strongest on economic/social justice issues.

As icebergslim noted, there are those who are on the fence between Clinton and Obama.

There are also people who have ruled out Clinton and Obama and are trying to decide whether to go with Edwards or one of the second-tier candidates. (The mathematics in their precinct may make the decision for them.)

There are also voters who don't like anyone in the top tier, and Biden and Richardson are competing for these.

Sorry, this reply isn't very helpful. It's just hard for me to generalize about this.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I think there are lots of groups

Thanks for the reply. It's hard for outsiders not to want to simplify what's going on since these days we're used to simple and instant answers, but what I value about your posts is that you don't brush over the complexity. I think for all its quirkiness, I'm beginning to feel a lot of affection for the Iowa caucus system precisely because the complexity of it doesn't allow for simple answers and simple choices. In this age of monopolistic media, dumbed down political discourse, and a sometimes apathetic electorate, that's a good thing.

by katerina 2007-12-14 06:59PM | 0 recs
Brillian diary

Just tried to post. I'll try again.

Thanks for the in-depth analysis/explanation of how things work. On caucus day I'll certainly understand the process much better.

Sorry to say that now that I "get Iowa" I'm even less happy with the caucus system and the fact that it has such an important role in choosing the presidential candidate. It seems very undemocratic, though I can see how it helps build the party throughout all the precincts in the state.

by Coral 2007-12-14 07:27AM | 0 recs
building the party

at the local level is about the only positive aspect of the caucus system (in my view).

The precinct caucuses themselves are a lot of fun and a great way to meet other Democrats in your neighborhood, but that doesn't outweigh the problems with the caucus system.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 12:12PM | 0 recs
Er, "Brilliant" n/t

by Coral 2007-12-14 07:28AM | 0 recs
Have I ever mentioned

that I appreciate your ongoing reference to Bananas in your polls?

Remembering that court scene always makes me laugh.

by bruorton 2007-12-14 07:48AM | 0 recs
thank you for noticing!!!

I've been waiting all year for someone to comment on that, or at least ask why I always put that question in the poll.

It's still my favorite Woody Allen movie. I know it's not as "good" as his more mature work, but it is such a great movie.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: thank you for noticing!!!

"Fielding Mellish" starts you laughing right from the get go.

Louise Lasser: "You're so immature, Fielding"

Woody Allen: "How I am immature?"

Lasser: "Emotionally, sexually and intellectually"

Allen: "Yeah, but what other ways?"

by mboehm 2007-12-14 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

The Iowa Caucus is a retarded system that should not be employed to select a candidate.

Why we can't have a national primary day is beyond me. They do it all over the world. Instead the candidates have to spend all their time in two overwhelmingly white states that do not at all reflect the country: Iowa and New Hampshire.

The whole thing is really dumb and I had hoped Dean would do something to change this but I guess its tough to change it.

I'd love to know how Iowans justify the tremendous expense that candidates go to just for 100,000 caucus goers in a crazy system such as it is. I mean so few people actually go to the caucus how in the world does it make sense to spend tens of millions of dollars.

by crackityjones 2007-12-14 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

The idea is that these people get to know the candidates.  If there was a national primary, the person with the greatest name recognition or money would always win the "national" primary and well-qualified people would never run nor have a chance.

It sucks either way.

by Vox Populi 2007-12-14 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

The role of money in a national primary would be absurd.

by Steve M 2007-12-14 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

regional and ethnic diversity were among the key reasons for adding in Nevada and South Carolina to the early schedule as well.

by KainIIIC 2007-12-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

This was an awesome diary desmoniesdem. Thanks so much!

by lonnette33 2007-12-14 07:56AM | 0 recs
Don't overlook those Dean supporters

Given how Edwards has adopted Dean's message of political empowerment -- wedding it very nicely to his original message of economic empowerment -- I think he should be able to win a lot more than 1/3 of 2004 Dean supporters (I'm an example of a Deaniac who is now pulling for John).

I would really work on any undecided 2004 Dean supporters in your area. I suspect many are persuadable -- probably choosing between Edwards and Obama (including those who will vote for Kucinich on the first ballot and then need to chose on the second vote). You should point out that it's really Edwards, not Obama, who is making Dean's argument for fundamental, people-empowering change. Hell, he even has Joe Trippi as a senior advisor to his campaign (unlike Obama, who is relying on far more cautious political "talent" from DC and Chicago).

by Jim in Chicago 2007-12-14 08:05AM | 0 recs
you may be right

I have no idea--perhaps Edwards is getting 50 percent or more of the Dean supporters. I know of some in my precinct for sure, and in a neighboring precinct the Edwards captain was for Dean last time.

If Edwards got half the Dean supporters and a third of the Kerry supporters, he could win even if he held on to less than half of the people who caucused for him last time. It is so hard to predict how things would play out.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-14 12:14PM | 0 recs
Why would Edwards NOT hold most of them?

Edwards is running a better campaign than last time and now has the advantage of having been involved in a national general election campaign. I can't imagine why he would not hold on to the lion's share of those who caucused for him in 2004.

by Jim in Chicago 2007-12-15 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

great job desmoines-- we don't agree on candidates but your informative posts are some of the best stuff on here.

by nevadadem 2007-12-14 08:23AM | 0 recs
Late to the Party

Your diaries are very helpful.  The entire process seems so weird to me.

Anyway, I was wondering about Obama's strength in rural areas.  Clearly he's strong in and around colleges, but is he likely to be hurt by the weird skewing of the vote.  Even if he gets a ton of college students to return won't they be in the same precinct?

Or am I looking at this all wrong and the skewing hurts someone else?

Or perhaps there's just no way to tell.

by BDB 2007-12-14 02:21PM | 0 recs
I think that is likely

I discussed this in part 2 of this series.

The counties with large college campuses tend to have much higher turnout rates than other counties. But you can pack 500 people into a campustown precinct and only get a few extra delegates out of that.

There is no doubt in my mind that Barack Obama would be better served by an Iowa primary.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-17 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

One question. If there are 2500 state delegates to be awarded and 2000 precincts, that means the vast majority of precincts can award just one delegate, while the remaining precincts average 2, maybe 3. So how could that precinct in Polk county have 6 delegates? I don't get the math here.

by jsedlock 2007-12-16 06:38AM | 0 recs
sorry for the confusion

There are 2,500 state delegates.

The precinct caucuses are electing county delegates.

So, my precinct will assign 6 Polk County delegates.

The precincts in Polk County will elect several hundred county delegates on caucus night.

Polk County is the largest in Iowa and will contribute 358 state delegates to the 2,500 total

So, the several hundred county delegates (elected at the precinct caucuses) will be converted into state delegate equivalents for the various candidates, based on a mathematical formula similar to the one that converts raw votes into delegates at a precinct.

Technically, the state delegates will not be elected on January 3--that will come a couple of months later at the county conventions. So the statewide results reported on January 3 will be estimated state delegate totals for the candidates.

by desmoinesdem 2007-12-17 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (w/poll)

This is an awesome assesment, DSMDem!  I'm so glad that you've done this!

It really bugs me that so few people really know what's going on at a caucus, and campaigns that figure it out, such as Edwards in 2004, tend to do well.  

by IowaCubs 2007-12-28 12:53PM | 0 recs

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