CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

A New York Times article out yesterday fills in some of the blanks about the newly revived effort to steal 20+ of California's electoral votes for the Republican next year and if the enthusiasm of the Republicans quoted in the article is to be believed, this thing may be on track to making it on the June 2008 ballot.

Though the financing remains uncertain, the measure's leaders said Friday that they were confident they would get the signatures required by the Nov. 29 deadline to qualify the initiative for a statewide vote next June. [...]

Under state law, backers of the initiative must collect the signatures of roughly 400,000 registered voters; supporters said they intended to collect 675,000 signatures to make sure enough of them actually qualified.

"At the pace we're on, I think we'll be done mid-November," said Michael Arno, who is leading a professional signature-gathering effort.

"I have 300,000 signatures in hand and 100,000 in the pipeline," Mr. Arno said, adding that he believed another 100,000 might have been gathered by others.

The article cites the fundraising goal of $2 million to complete the signature gathering, which is based on an estimated 600,000 signatures at $3.75 per each signature gathered (gatherers may be either paid or volunteer but are required to disclose which they are if asked.) This article confirms that southern California GOP congressman and recall funder Darrell Issa donated $50,000 to the effort, a far cry from the millions he put into the recall petition campaign. The article also confirms that they're "behind" on their fundraising. Signature gathering guru Michael Arno has reportedly "agreed to take less" than $3.75/signature to "conserve cash." Gee, what a guy. So how can they be so confident that they'll have the signatures required without the money to complete the process? It's a bit mysterious but the answer may lie in a direct mail piece I received the other day from the California Republican Party; it contained the dirty trick initiative itself.

Yes, it appears that the CRP is sending the ballot initiative petition out to every person on the party's mailing list (I'm on there because I attended their convention last year as sort of a mole...) to get people to sign the petition and become volunteer circulators themselves by getting their family and friends to sign as well. While this method is bound to result in a ton of invalid signatures and raises all sorts of questions about the party working so closely in tandem with an initiative signature gathering campaign, this just might explain the backers' confidence that they'll have the signatures without having to pay  the full $3.75 per. I'm going to do more digging on this but in the meantime, the letter that accompanies the petition is certainly enlightening as to the framing the GOP is using to push this initiative:

Currently, our state has a winner-take-all process in terms of determining which presidential candidate, Republican or Democrat, receives California's 55 electoral votes.

But, this just is not fair. It's time to make California Count in Presidential elections! [...]

In 2004 5.5 million Californians voted for President Bush, and he won 22 of the 53 congressional districts in our state. But due to the way the current process is structured, these votes did not count since he did not win the overall popular vote...As a result, our concerns and issues have not always been heard by the candidates.

(emphasis theirs)

It goes on to say that the new proposed way of allocating EVs would be the fair way because it would

...give weight to the size and diversity of our great state.

Of course, a bullshit appeal to fairness isn't their only tactic:

Hillary Clinton has taken a strong lead in oposing this effort to make California count in Presidential elections. But she must not be allowed to dictate what California does. California should do what's best for California.

In reality, she has not taken a lead role, supporters of hers have, but that's beside the point. The GOP sees Hillary Clinton as a rallying cry and this issue is no different. As I said before, this strategy raises many questions, which I intend to research more fully in the next couple of days. Again, if the confidence the CA GOP is exhibiting is real, we may have a real fight on our hands to keep this off the ballot.

Please help the CA netroots effort to keep it off, led by my colleagues at the Courage Campaign in any way you can over at Act Blue and you can get more information at NoDirtyTricks.com. As I've written before, if this does get on the ballot, it will require millions of dollars to defeat, in fact the CA GOP is counting on it.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, California, pera (all tags)

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Re: CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

So why aren't Democrats pushing for a constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college and have the election of the president be determined by a popular vote? -- a winner take all.

Had that been in effect in 2000, Al Gore would have been president. He had 500,000 more votes than Bush.

Too, the Supreme Court should have deferred the results of the election to the will of the American people. They should have said the votes in Florida that can be counted will be added to the total number of votes cast by the remaining 49 states.

The one with the most votes cast by the American people will be president. Instead, the Court selected the loser of the popular vote as president.

by Hempy 2007-11-04 03:58PM | 0 recs
We better get our shit together because

if this passes it won't matter if it's Clinton, Obama, or Edwards because we will almost surely lose the EC votes.

Perhaps it would behoove HRC or Obama to use SOME of that money they have raised in an effort to stop this.  Early money is like yeast and early money is needed NOW to stop this.

I hope Darryl Issa gets hit by a truck!

by jgarcia 2007-11-04 04:22PM | 0 recs
This is a serious concern
    but it is not likely to be passed by the voters of CA. The early polling shows the idea as already having more opponents than supporters. It is usually the case that ballot measures lose support as the campaign heats up before the elections. The opposing campaign just has to cast enough doubt about the initiative for people to vote NO. The proponents have to convince the voters that there is a problem and that their measure would be an effective solution to make it better. This is a longshot, especially given the partisan makeup of the state; more Dems than GOP and lots of independents. As people realize that this is a powergrab by the Repubs support for the initiative should evaporate.
    The Greedy Old Party is counting on the peculiar pattern of CA elections this year to pass it. There will be a presidential primary in February, which should have a relatively high turnout including many Democrats. This initiative would be on the June ballot along with legislative and congressional primaries and other ballot measures. There will be a far lower turnout in that election. In low turnout elections there is a higher percentage of GOP voters, so they will have more of a chance of passing it. There will also likely be some other bad initiatives on the June ballot so we will need to work hard to get our voters out in that election or we could have some very unpleasant results.
by Zack from the SFV 2007-11-04 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a serious concern

You're probably right, but the Blog Birchers have so much more fun running around screaming that the sky is falling and cussing out their own party about it.

by spirowasright 2007-11-04 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a serious concern

We should put our own initiatives on the ballot that would draw out democrats... although, I believe that fighting this initiative would draw out democrats in and of itself...

We can also put in poison pill ammendments.. nullifying initiatives... and just clog up the whole thing with as many similar sounding stuff as possible, confusing the electorate.  In sales, a customer that is confused will not buy, so obfuscation here is also important....

We have to fight these bastards to the end... they never give up, and will fight with cheap dirty tricks everywhere they can...

They can't win on the merits, so they will resort to this BS...

We'll keep on 'em...  I knew this issue would come back... let's make sure it haunts them!

Thanks,

Mike

by lordmikethegreat 2007-11-04 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

Where does Arnold stand on this?

The June primary day is the only chance this initiative passes.  Since there are very few really contested primaries for the Legislature and Congress, even with all open seats created by term limits, it's all about the initiatives.

Still, I think is more of an attempt to divert money from the Democrats, and a lot of money may be spent on this, considering that the presidential nominations will be locked up by early March (if not earlier).  That means there's going to be a long lull in the 2008 campaign, and this ballot initiative will attract national interest.  I wouldn't be shocked if over $100 million was spent on this, an utter waste of money.

The Democrats have to do whatever it takes to defeat this.

by mikelow1885 2007-11-04 05:54PM | 0 recs
A Concern? Not!
When I first read about the CA GOP dirty tricks initiative I was gripped with fear, and then I thought about it.
If the initiative gets past, and becomes California law, it will split California's EC count nearly equally for both the Democratic or Republican Presidential hopeful, which would effectively make California irrelevant to politics. Why would CA voters want to make their votes irrelevant in presidential elections? With the CA EC votes split nearly evenly, both Democratic and Republican candidates would view CA's EC votes in the same way that they see support from US citizens of Puerto Rico and the other US territories; not important.
The CA GOP dirty tricks initiative would effectively make California a US territory, which would mean that neither the Democratic or Republican party would have any incentive to ever want to campaign there again. A Democratic or Republican president would have no reason to care about CA voters, and the representatives in congress would have no reason to want to caucus with the CA representatives, regardless of their party, because the CA representatives would be seen as irrelevant to a national agenda.
Making CA politically irrelevant actually would be against the Republicans far reaching interests, as they would lose any hope of ever making gains in California. Since CA is a state with an illegal immigration problem, and a state that plays a big role in defense industries, which are areas that could be potential future strengths for the Republican party, it is a state that the Republicans would be wise not to completely write off.
Also if trends are corrects, Hillary Clinton is expected to win a huge demographic EC count victory against Rudy, Romney, or Thompson regardless of whether or not the dirty tricks initiative in CA gets passed, and the only way that McCain has much of a chance against Hillary Clinton, is if he wins his neighboring state of CA.
California, with a very popular Republican Governor, can hardly be considered a deep blue state, and making its EC votes irrelevant, would probably lead to doing aways with the EC system altogether, and making presidential elections determined by popular vote, which would be to the extreme detriment of the Republican party.
by fetboy 2007-11-04 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: A Concern? Not!

Great comment!  

I've also read (here I think) that this may not even pass California constituational muster if it passes.  Too bad all that money would have to be spent to find that out (if it were even to pass).

by Decided Voter 2007-11-04 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: A Concern? Not!

One other point:  This is another example of how Republicans push iitiatives/legislation to help themselves and not other people.

Wow, this should be so obvious.  We, the people, don't need to do them any favors...

by Decided Voter 2007-11-04 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

There's no doubt it would be a stupid move as far as being important for the presidential election. There wouldn't even be a point of Democrats paying attention to the state anymore, especially with the gerrymandered districts.

Of course Republicans don't care about California. They just want to win the presidential election, no matter what they have to do to win.

by Progressive America 2007-11-04 07:15PM | 0 recs
Rovian

The CA GOP dirty trick initiative makes it obvious that the Republicans know that they can't win in a fair fight armed only with their political positions, values, and character, so instead they have decided to resort to Rovian style dirty tricks. I am surprised that the RNC has not stepped in and told the CA GOP to desist with their initiative, so I guess they (the RNC) have failed to realize that any voter, who is not a die hard Republican, is unimpressed by attempts to win through anti-democracy, Rovian style dirty tricks. The CA GOP stunt has the very real potential to cause serious backlash against the RNC in every other state in the country. People don't like it when someone is attempting to rig the table (especially when that table is the United States of America's Democracy).

by fetboy 2007-11-04 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

Dividing Electoral College votes per district isn't a dirty trick, but trying to sneak the change through during a June election is.  If the people of California really want to change this, they should put it on the November ballot and have it take effect in the 2012 presidential election.

by Lex 2007-11-05 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

Okay, here's a test:  If Texas Democrats were proposing the same thing there, would you still call it a dirty trick?

by Lex 2007-11-05 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: CA GOP Bullish On Dirty Tricks Initiative

Yes, Lex. It should be done by every state, or no state. There's more than two big states-there's a whole country. What about Florida? Or Ohio? If all of the big states did this there would be electoral chaos.

by NewDeal 2007-11-05 07:48AM | 0 recs

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