Edwards cheered with Mellencamp in Iowa

by Jerome Armstrong, Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 06:59:43 AM EST

Sounds like that to me, listen for yourself:

The facts get in the way of the Drudge and Breitbart spin, and it spills back to Kay Henderson, where the smear began-- the credibility of Henderson is found lacking. A lot of national reporters have been picking up her Iowa stuff and repeating it verbatim as truth, but the statement of hers that "After a few cheers boos overtake the hall" seems like a blatant lie in the face of the video and audio taken inside the event.

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Re: Edwards cheered with Mellencamp in Iowa

There were two diaries on your blog yesterday repeating the claims thrown out by Drudge.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 07:07AM | 0 recs

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A couple of the YouTube comments were from audience members who said there was loud booing. Might it be one of those mikes meant for drowning out background noise, like Howard Dean had at the Scream?

by Nathan Empsall 2007-11-11 08:03AM | 0 recs

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Even I can hear it from just watching the clip on here. There were boos and there were cheers . seems like a mixture to me.

Again this is really retarded .

But don't worry about Bruh , in most cases he lives in his own world of delusion then attacks others of being blind partisans.

by lori 2007-11-11 08:09AM | 0 recs

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Lori,

You can't even deal with the reality of your candidate planting fake questioners in her audience so your judgement on "reality" is suspect to say the least. Rather than attacking me or taking your shift to attack Edwards over trivialities, you may want to spend more of your time coming up with an answer to why the planting doesn't look bad.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 08:25AM | 0 recs

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See thats an example of why I said in most cases you are incoherent.

I haven't even attacked Edwards once , my first post was to comment on how ridicoulous this exercise was even the comment you are responding too I said how absurd this whole thing is.

This is so trivial it is borderline insane , I just expressed an opinion about what I saw posted in up and all of a sudden you went off on some ridicoulous trip asking about plants etc that has nothing to do with the youtube and I see no reason to respond to it because I am not going to be sucked up in these games you like to play ( You know the diversionary games you like to accuse others of playing) . You seem not to be able to express yourself in a coherent way because you get a little too emotional for me and I have noticed a pattern in which most people express frustration in having a conversation with you.

I haven't attacked Edwards , this whole concert thing is ridicoulous and get a hold of yourself.

If you are interested in what I have said about the plant question , you can go and read the diaries on it that i have made comments under.

But If you can't figure out that there is a problem with having a conversation with you yet then I can't help you.

by lori 2007-11-11 08:35AM | 0 recs

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The diary was about this "After a few cheers boos overtake the hall" as written up to describe the audience reaction to Edwards. A write up meant to attack Edwards as being unliked or some other similar negative connotation. You say it's a non story but you expend energy writing that you do hear booing, but now you claim your mentioning this is not intended as an attack by you on Edwards? Although you make a similar, if less exaggerated, claim as the story ? Okay, I will let others make their own judgement , but claiming I am incoherent to write that you are attacking him isn't probably going to be their conclusion.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 08:57AM | 0 recs

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Well I am just commenting under this diary about what I saw in the youtube , I didn't even read the diaries you are referring to.

Just Because he got booed ( lets just say for argument sake we all agreed he did ) , it doesn't necessarily mean people don't like him.

It probably means a lot of people don't want to see politicians at their concerts. These concerts are an escape valve for a lot of people and to see a politician there will probably piss off a lot of drunk folks , it doesn't necessarily mean they don't like him.

by lori 2007-11-11 09:07AM | 0 recs

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Lori, at what point on the video do you hear the boos? Just point out the time and I'll listen to that part again.

by desmoulins 2007-11-11 08:47AM | 0 recs

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Again before I get accused by Bruh of attacking Edwards and then being asked of the plant thing,

Let me state this I am not attacking Edwards and if I read my posts under this diary I haven't attacked Edwards and I have said this whole thing is irrelevant and pretty childish in my view.

If you check the 2.59 and 2.08 marks and listen for a couple of seconds I can pick up the boos all though it is pretty much a scatter of boos and cheers from the audience , Edwards probably recognized that that is why he left in a hurry . I am not in any way attacking Edwards but I know if I was at a concert I'll probably be booing any politician too , those are the last people I want to see at a concert.

It was a mixture of cheers and boos , I would say the cheers were more than the boos but I could hear some.

by lori 2007-11-11 08:58AM | 0 recs

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Except this is the context of the conversation " "After a few cheers boos overtake the hall." Do you hear that happening in the video?

by bruh21 2007-11-11 09:05AM | 0 recs

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First, I can only talk from my own experience with production. If this is the raw sound even with directional mics you can't drown out loud boos in order to just pick up the sounds of cheering coming from the audience. It doesn't work that way. That's the first thing that comes to mind with raw sound.

Second, you may be able to minimize booing in post production, but if it were loud and consistent (a subject term here since I didn't edit this) you would expect it to still be there to some degree and consistent (which I don't hear). There is a moment in the begining where maybe there was some, but that's about it. I am not a sound designer. So I am just speaking having worked with sound design.

Third, I am going to trust the video more than random posters on YouTube. As a general rule, I don't trust what posters say on such sites because there is too much room for people to lie because they have their own agenda. ie, supporters of other candidates, etc.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 08:14AM | 0 recs

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how do you fake VIDEO of clapping

snapping pictures and raising the beer to toast?

by TarHeel 2007-11-11 08:29AM | 0 recs

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Re: how do you fake VIDEO of clapping

Well that's true too. I was only going to how sound recording and design could be used based on my experience, and not the footage as well.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 08:36AM | 0 recs

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By the way, before I forget it, whether there were some boos or not, this part is absolutely false:

""After a few cheers boos overtake the hall"

Unless they did a massive amount of ADR there is no way in hell there was booing that overtook the hall.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 08:32AM | 0 recs

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A couple of YouTube comments were from people who said they were in the audience ...

How come none of those who were "in the audience" can produce a recording that picks up any boos?

by desmoulins 2007-11-11 08:45AM | 0 recs

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Yup, a non-story

Not Edwards's most comfy moment but fine. Mellencamp should stop smoking.

This Clinton-planting story might have legs, though, at least stubby ones.

by david mizner 2007-11-11 07:14AM | 0 recs

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The Clinton planting story would not ...

... have had legs if it had not smoked out additional charges of planting questions, after the Clinton campaign had settled on, "well, just this once, over-zealous staffer, you know, sometimes these things happen, but its almost certainly definitely not a common practice" as their response.

by BruceMcF 2007-11-11 08:17AM | 0 recs

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That was a great reception by the crowd. Drudge is ridiculous sometimes.

by funphil 2007-11-11 07:17AM | 0 recs

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Sometimes? What world have you lived in the last decade?

by Dee 2007-11-11 07:53AM | 0 recs

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I hear ya! I think Drudge is ridiculous sometimes and idiotic right wing smear mearchant the rest of the time.

by funphil 2007-11-12 09:36PM | 0 recs

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... and obscene the rest of the time. nt

by BruceMcF 2007-11-11 08:17AM | 0 recs

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wow Edwards couldn't get out of there fast enough lol.

From what i can hear there were boos and cheers , Edwards himself seemed to recognize that , and bolted in a hurry , which was probably a wise thing to do . When I go to a concert the last people I want to see on stage are politicians.

But what is the relevance of this story anyway ?

It beats me.

by lori 2007-11-11 07:37AM | 0 recs

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Well thanks lori for giving your views. since you are in the mood to give us your opinion, can you explain why your candidate feels the need to plant questions in her audience? Does she not trust the average american voter so she feels the need to pull a Bush a on us? Or is it that she wants to control the message so much that real questions by real voters aren't something she wants to encounter, again pulling a Bush on us?

by bruh21 2007-11-11 07:43AM | 0 recs

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The answer you will get from lori and any other Clinton supporter is that the plant wasn't any big deal. The subject matter was the important thing and it doesn't matter that the question and answer session wasn't genuine. In short, they don't care.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 07:46AM | 0 recs

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" The answer you will get from lori "

- Don't even pretend to speak for me , maybe you should check my comments in the diaries on this subject before you claim you know what my answer will be. I am not some blind partisan that you expect everyone to be , you are better off not speaking in generalizations , it doesn't help your case.

by lori 2007-11-11 07:50AM | 0 recs

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Oh, I know she will give several non answers or attack the speaker. Below she chooses the attack the speaker tactic. They are nothing if not predictable. I am just making fun of her coming into a diary where there is actual video that basically refutes what she is claiming. But like a good little spinner, she goes right ahead with a her talking point anyway. Its like what do you believe lori or your lying ears. The whole point about clinton is to remind her and other supporters they got bigger fish to fry than trying to spin false stories about Edwards to anyone who bothers to actually listen to the video to decide for themselves.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 07:59AM | 0 recs

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I have learned one thing about Clinton supporters. They will try to justify anything. Bush and his crew do the exact same frickin thing. These pretenders aren't real Democrats. Obama had it right when he called it Bush/Cheney Lite.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 08:09AM | 0 recs

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They are real Democrats (most of them- hwc I believe has said he's an independent, but I don't think any of the others are anything but Democratic). This is a primary so people tend to act like everyone else is not the "real Democrat" They aren't like Bush or the GOP except in terms of picking up some of their more unsavory tactics and behaviors. They do have the same basic values of Democrats. They simply are zealots in terms of their support for Clinton or volunteers. Either way, it ends up being very difficult to silt through a lot of the things they are willing to put up with or say in their support Clinton. You are combating the circle the wagons for my candidate mentality. It's not personal and nor do I believe most of these people would act like this or say half the shit they say here if they weren't acting a primary partisans. We all get over the top at times, but I never question whether most are Democrats.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 08:20AM | 0 recs

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Well you may be right about most of them but a few of these zealots (as you call them) are not real Democrats in my opinion. They really care about nothing but power.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 09:34AM | 0 recs

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You can do what you want,but I don't see how questioning whether they are Democrats is any better than them questioning whether we are really Democrats for disagreeing with them. I am not into for us or against us. I will get angry and say stuff, but when ia m calm, the fact is I don't question whether they are Democrats. They just don't to my view understand the times we are in, and we shold all be about power by the way because that's politics. The question isn't about power- its about what direction we want the party to go, and what kind of leadership do we want.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 09:58AM | 0 recs

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I take great offense when some people here adopt the either you are for Hillary or you are a closet Republican or a Naderite stance. It is the Clinton folks that I question. No one else. If they can attempt to label me a Naderite because I don't support Hillary I can sure question whether they are real Democrats.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 10:12AM | 0 recs

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I know you tend to get pretty emotional and when you get into that mood ( which seems to be everytime now ) your thoughts are rarely coherent .

So I'll rather not waste my spare time having a discussion with you.

by lori 2007-11-11 07:47AM | 0 recs

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So that would be, no, you don't have an answer. Well, y'all better come up with one because this story has legs on top of all the other bad press she's going to be getting over the next couple of months.

by bruh21 2007-11-11 07:53AM | 0 recs

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I didn't hear any boos, but that's not the issue. This begs the questions why do Democrats give a damn about this non-sense? Republicans are masters at mass distractions and we are masters at taking the bait.

by Dee 2007-11-11 07:57AM | 0 recs

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Thanks - glad someone is posting this

saw all the "Edwards getting booed" peices, even the ones that had the video, and just wondered if my ears were going bad. Either that or they never listened to the video which seems to be what happened.

by okamichan13 2007-11-11 08:14AM | 0 recs

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This is the sound of boos:

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2662083

by skipos 2007-11-11 09:31AM | 0 recs

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Can I still hate Mr. Mellencamp for ruining every sporting event on TV with that damn "This is our country" song?

Is it really a good marketing plan by Chevy to piss off everyone who sees that commercial by playing it about 100,000 times every football game?

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by fbihop 2007-11-11 07:08PM | 0 recs