Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in Half

As alluded to before, there's quite a bit of tightening in the latest Marist poll out of the Granite state (along with the latest numbers from Pollster.com).

November 2-6, 458 likely D primary voters, MoE +/- 5%

NovemberOctoberPollster.comClinton364140.2Obama252021.0Edwards141112.1Richardson687.7Kucinich332.8Biden233.1Dodd122.1Undecided1312N/A

In just one month, Clinton's lead has shrunk from 21 percentage points to 11. It's worth noting that Clinton's lead is still in the double digits. Nevertheless, the momentum in New Hampshire at least appears to be moving clearly away from Clinton at this juncture -- a development that has to cause at least some concern within the Clinton camp.

Tags: 2008, Democratic primaries, New Hampshire, New Hampshire primary (all tags)

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67 Comments

Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

Wow.  Some firewall.  

by Shaun Appleby 2007-11-10 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

Ahem, Iowa, begets New Hampshire wins South Carolina, and the Race plays out just as I foresaw hip hip hooray.

by Democraticavenger 2007-11-10 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

quite a bit of tightening

Last month's results are within the MOE of this poll. Are more poll results expected this week? If they all narrow, I'd agree.

by dblhelix 2007-11-10 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

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by CardBoard 2007-11-10 11:12AM | 0 recs
This is the big news?

So let's see. What does this all mean?

Iowa ia everything.

This is different how?

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: This is the big news?

It's different because they aknowlege the reality. Until this poll mostly you've seen over the last few months a sense that clinton will win, so get used to it. Were bloggers introspective they would have bothered to look at 2004, but of course when that was mentioned- it was said that 2008 isn't 2004. Apparently that the more things seem to change, the more they really are the same.

by bruh21 2007-11-10 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

This is different because New Hampshire is now clearly within striking distance, and Iowa win would mean far less if Hillary than won New Hampshire.

by Democraticavenger 2007-11-10 10:48AM | 0 recs
And who actually believed NH was out of reach?

to be honest, this is the silly overreaction to non-Iowa polling that I think so misguided.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

Not of of reach but much harder. It also supports what I call the engagement theory. Where the race is most engaged, it is closer.If the engagement theory holds, national polling becomes meaningless.  

by Democraticavenger 2007-11-10 10:55AM | 0 recs
It's always been meaningless

ALWAYS.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: It's always been meaningless

Yes, but you couldn't tell quite a lot of your fellow A listers that. If your point is that they were wrong- well yes, but getting them to admit to that is an exercise in futility unless you are a part of the 'in crowd" in dc or online.

by bruh21 2007-11-10 12:18PM | 0 recs
Half

A lot of polls are showing Clinton's lead in New Hampshire minimizing.  

Iowa is still the key, but if Clinton loses Iowa to Obama, and he gets a boost, he may just take New Hampshire too.  We'll see.  

Something to consider.  Everyone is talking about the debate being what hurt Clinton.  Could it also be that Obama also started putting ads out in New Hampshire a few months ago and they are starting to have an effect?  We'll have to see where this stops.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Half

If Obama wins Iowa, he almost certainly will win NH.

The question is the long haul.

He becomes the strong favorite.

The interesting thing is Edwards' decision to go personal and negative on Hillary actually gives Obama a real chance to win Iowa, something I thought he did not have before.

Maybe Axelrod knew Edwards would adopt a politically suicidal strategy.

If I thought Edwards was going to be this stupid this late, then I would have run the campaign Axelrod has run.

Maybe he is a genius after all.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 11:09AM | 0 recs
I disagree with you here

Going negative on Hillary is only part of the message Iowans are getting from Edwards. They are also getting lots of positive messages. On the blogs, it appears that Edwards is doing nothing but attacking Hillary.

Obama's biggest problem in Iowa is the same as it ever was--he does worst with the over-50 group, which will be two-thirds of caucus-goers. He does best with under-40 voters, who are almost totally absent from some precincts.

by desmoinesdem 2007-11-10 11:14AM | 0 recs
Are you saying the Iowa media

is NOT primarily covering Edwards as a Clinton attack dog?

And let me ask you further, do you expect Edwards to continue this strategy?

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

Edwards is trending up in Iowa, according to what I hear. Your "I wish it were true" contention is not accurate.

There hasn't been a poll in Iowa where Edwards, Obama, and Clinton weren't all within the MoE in months. It's anyone's game, and while Clinton and Obama have spent millions there already, Edwards just started last week.

It's a real three way race.

by ColoradoGuy 2007-11-10 11:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

Any polling support what you hear?

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

a few polls over the last week showing him ticking up, but who knows. more importantly there are other factors- the changed date, the nature of boots on the ground in the state, the fact that obama and clinton are depending on people apparently do not regularly caucus etc.

by bruh21 2007-11-10 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

Sorry to respectfully disagree with you here. I do like John Edwards (as my second choice), but he has not trended up in any of the polls coming out of Iowa. It seems his aggression on Clinton has helped Obama more than it has helped Edwards. Too bad though...

by rapcetera 2007-11-10 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

Here's my take on Edwards strategy.  

So far what has happened lately...
Clinton - Falling nationally from 50 to low 40s.
- Falling in New Hampshire 40-45 to 30-35
Fallin in Iowa from 30ish down to high 20's.  

Obama has benefitted most from this...
-Nationally: 20, now 25
New Hampshire: 20 now 25
Iowa: 20 now 25

Edwards has for the most part, remained stagnant.  However, having Obama and Hillary split the vote more equally brings them in striking range of him.  

I don't see it being a winning strategy for Edwards, but there is some sense to it.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

If you believe polls, the reality is Edwards has dropped every where.

In NH, this result for Edwards is contra other polling.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 11:48AM | 0 recs
depends on who shows up January 3

I think Edwards goes into the caucuses in a strong position. He does very well among people who have attended caucuses in the past, and his support is spread across the state.

If Obama and Edwards both have, say, 25 percent support among Iowans, Edwards is going to walk away with more delegates because of the way his supporters are distributed geographically and age-wise.

by desmoinesdem 2007-11-10 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: depends on who shows up January 3

I think Edwards and Obama are the ones who will rise above the polls if anyone.  As you mentioned, Edwards has a strong sense of widespread support, while the Obama campaign has and continues to flex their organization.  Clinton may have some sort of X factor to try and rise above the polls... But if they do I haven't heard about it/seen it yet.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: depends on who shows up January 3

Not to mention that he's the kind of candidate Iowans historically favor - white males.

by hwc 2007-11-10 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

Hillary's numbers
From 50 to mid 40s
NH - From low 40s to high 30s
Iowa - From low 20s to high 20s

Come on, lets not exaggerate now

by sepulvedaj3 2007-11-10 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

I'm not.  I'm talking about over the last month.  I suppose my numbers might be off, but I wasn't necessarily exxagerating.  

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/iowa-primary.html
Iowa: Hillary
Last month - 33,32,28,29
This month (So far) - 28

New Hampshire:
Last Month - 43,43,40
This month - (So far) - 34, 36

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/us/democratic_presidentia l_nomination-191.html#polls
National:
Middle of last month Month - 51, 51, 50, 49
This Month - 44,50,41,45

About a 5% swing national
A little over 5% in New Hampshire
Iowa (Needs more polling) but about 2.5% down so far.  

I guess I exagerated Iowa a little, but after the number check, I wasn't really that far off.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying the Iowa media

If anyone is exxagerating... It's you.  

She never polled low 20's in Iowa last month, and she is polling mid 30's in New Hampshire now, not high 30's.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 02:30PM | 0 recs
I don't know what he has planned

I imagine he will continue to highlight differences with the other candidates, but I think his tv ads and direct-mail pieces will continue to be about him and what he is proposing. I've gotten three mailers from Edwards in the last three weeks, and none of them mentioned any other candidates. I assume that most of the likely caucus-goers received the same mailings.

There have been some stories about Edwards attacking  Clinton in the Iowa media, but I don't think that is all the caucus-goers are hearing. I had a house party for undecided voters on Thursday, and people's questions were very policy-oriented.

by desmoinesdem 2007-11-10 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't know what he has planned

Contrasting on ISSUES is fine.

Take for example, the Peru trade pact, a stark difference.

What I have seen is all personal attacks.

Speaking for me, it is a big turnoff.

Historically speaking, this never helps the attacker unless it is a two person race.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-10 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't know what he has planned

Would you care to elaborate?  All I'm hearing is vigorous issue comparisons on trade, Iraq, Iran, and campaign finance (in deed not word).  If John Edwards wants to make the case that he, not Hillary Clinton, represents the clearest possible break from the travesty of Bush/Cheney, then that's fair.  

Now, if Edwards was trying to bring back the spectre of Monica Lewinsky, Filegate, Travelgate, or the other hypocrisy-laden goblins of the right wing, THEN you would have a point.  

by CLLGADEM 2007-11-10 06:02PM | 0 recs
No

Because I do not waste my breath.

Only a blind partisan would argue that Edwards has not engaged in personal attacks on Clinton.

His most famous one at the debate, on the DL question, Edwards did not even answer the fucking question.

His attack was totally devoid of an issue response.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-11-11 01:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Come on

Why is it that whenever I ask for anything from a Clinton supporter, all I get is indignation, scorn, profanity and name-calling?

I believe it fair to say that Senator Clinton's answer on DLs was overly nuanced.  It certainly sounded on first listen like she was trying to have it both ways.  While later explanations from her supporters here helped (yes, I'm actually saying something nice about Clinton supporters here) as far as I was concerned, her campaign's own backtracking (the post-debate statement in support of Spitzer's plan) really undermined the hard work you and your compatriots did.  

Should John Edwards lead by example and offer his clear answer to the question?  Absolutely, and I hope he does the moment HE'S asked.  The question at the debate was for Clinton to answer, if you remember.

When answers/camapign positions are vague, contradictory, or nonexistent, it is inevitable that truthfulness will become part of the political dialogue.  Yes, Edwards has said that Clinton "is being less than truthful" on certain issues.  You may call that a personal attack; sorry, Limbaugh, Hannity or Coulter he ain't.  Sensetivity is not a productive trait in politics.

Clinton has three choices here.  First, clear up the real and perceived inconsitencies in her platform, denying Edwards his ammo.  Second, go after inconsistencies in Edwards' platform and statements.  Third, continue on the present course, do neither, and watch current poll leads continue to shrink.

by CLLGADEM 2007-11-11 04:08AM | 0 recs
Re: I disagree with you here

I'm hearing his numbers are trending up among those old caucus goers.

by Prodigy 2007-11-10 11:24AM | 0 recs
I live by a lot of empty nesters

My sense is that Obama teeters on the brink of viability in my precinct (probably he will be viable in the end), whereas Clinton and Edwards will easily clear the threshold and probably get at least 2 delegates each from my precinct.

A lot of people think that Obama needs more seasoning. If they are not for Clinton or Edwards, they are more likely to be leaning to Biden or Richardson.

I've already identified enough Edwards supporters to get us over 15 percent even if turnout is substantially higher than in 2004 (which I don't think it will be).

by desmoinesdem 2007-11-10 11:52AM | 0 recs
Marist Poll

I'm glad that Obama/Edwards are finally making a contest of it. It's more exciting that way. The bands are playing. The crowd is on its feet. The teams are fired up, ready to go. Let's play the second half!

BTW, for all the poll junkies out there, some of the internals in that poll are worth looking at: strength of support, second choices of candidates, electability, and so forth.

by hwc 2007-11-10 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

We cannot nominate Hillary.  She will be an absolute disaster for the progressive movement, just like her husband.  

by Toddwell 2007-11-10 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

I agree. No way the progressives can support a candidate with the most women and minority staff members of any Presidential campaign. That would be a sell-out of progressive values.

by hwc 2007-11-10 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

and the most registered lobbyists

by CardBoard 2007-11-10 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

federal lobbyists*

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

registered federal lobbyists*

* does not include federal lobbyists who dropped their registration when asked to be be fundraisers for the candidate, unregistered lobbyists in the same lobby firms as registered lobbyists, chairmen of the trial lawyers lobby association who give their corporate jets to candidates, wives of registered lobbyists, or registered state lobbyists.

by hwc 2007-11-10 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

Right you are.  Thanks for the correction.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-11-10 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

The friends of the Bush Administration used to say when criticized,

"Yeah, the President is so racist he has a Black Secretary of State and a Latino AG even though Bill Clinton never had anyone in that high of a position who was a person of color"

Please stop using Republican shame tactics on fellow Democrats just because we are not supporting Hillary. As BOTH, a persona of color and a woman, I find your comments patronizing and pandering and thus insulting.

by BlueDiamond 2007-11-10 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

person.

by BlueDiamond 2007-11-10 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

I did say a word about other Democratic campaigns. I praised the Democratic campaign that most walks the walk on minority hiring in staff positions.

Diversity is one of my main reasons for voting Democratic.

by hwc 2007-11-10 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

A staff packed with tokens , does not fool my generation the way it fools older citizens of color. It didn't work when George Bush did it. It doesn't work with Hillary.

It's gonna take more that idiots running around calling Bill Clinton the First Black President. I want a list of legislation and not an excuses. I want answers and not just photo ops and videos of speeches at Black Churches.

by BlueDiamond 2007-11-10 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

YES!  Identity politics is dead (Hallelujah!)

...except with republicans and hwc....

by bluedavid 2007-11-10 03:36PM | 0 recs
Next you will tell me ....

That there is no difference between Gore and Bush and that Nader didn't hurt Gore.

C'mon fess up.

by dpANDREWS 2007-11-10 01:11PM | 0 recs
How progressive will Rudy or Mitt be?

Mitt will veto everything Pelosi and Reid sends them.

by dpANDREWS 2007-11-10 01:12PM | 0 recs
Intensity of support

From the poll results:
http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/NH/NHPZ 0711.htm

64% of likely voters who back Hillary Clinton say they are strongly committed to her.   In contrast, 49% of likely voters who support Barack Obama, and 46% who back John Edwards say they strongly support their candidate.

by markjay 2007-11-10 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Intensity of support

Dean supporters felt the same way ... When you're losing supporters but strengthening the attachment of those who do support you, you're becoming a niche candidate. You're beatable.

by ColoradoGuy 2007-11-10 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Intensity of support

Good point.  So I suppose that means Hillary would be better off if her supporters were less attached to her?

by markjay 2007-11-10 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Intensity of support

it means if you have a thin ear to criticism as many of her supporters now do such that you make excuses such as with the plant question story, the lobby story, the failure to perform well at a debate by blaming it on sexist, etc- then you become a candidaate whom only hard core supporters will buy your arguments.in other words, if she wants to win she needs to change strategy rather than circling the wagons.

by bruh21 2007-11-10 12:45PM | 0 recs
Electability

From the poll:

http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/NH/NHPZ 0711.htm

Regardless of who you support, who has the best chance of defeating the Republican candidate?

Of likely voters:
Clinton: 53%
Obama: 17%
Edwards: 13%

by markjay 2007-11-10 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Electability

relevance?

by BlueDiamond 2007-11-10 11:30AM | 0 recs
Ask Howard Dean the relevance

Most of the way through 03 Democrats when polled responded that no, Bush could not be beaten.  Dean lead in the polls.

Late in 03 Democrats changed their mind.  Yes, Bush could be beaten.

Zogby said when the answer to the question changed Dean started dropping everyday and Kerry started rising.

Iowens are very likely to look at who they think can beat the GOP fruntrunner as they go to caucus.

by dpANDREWS 2007-11-10 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Electability

Markjay:

The polls are viewed as important and much needed good news to Edwards/Obama folk. Let them enjoy their celebration at only being down 11 points in New Hampshire!

I say, Congratulations! Let's play the final month of the game.

by hwc 2007-11-10 11:34AM | 0 recs
Second choice

From the poll:
http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/NH/NHPZ 0711.htm

Who is your second choice?

Of Obama supporters:
Clinton: 43%
Edwards: 18%

Of Edwards supporters:
Clinton: 36%
Obama: 20%

Of Clinton supporters:
Obama: 35%
Edwards: 34%

by markjay 2007-11-10 11:30AM | 0 recs
not relevant for a NH poll

People don't have an opportunity to select their second choice.

by desmoinesdem 2007-11-10 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: not relevant for a NH poll

Both Edwards and Obama are counting on knocking the other out and consolidating the anybody but Clinton vote.

Obama is counting on Edwards attack-dog politics taking him out of the running.

Edwards is counting on Mudcat Saunders and Dukes of Hazzard cast to remind voters that a black dude in unelectable. That's why he asks voters to "close their eyes" and "picture the election in their minds".

by hwc 2007-11-10 12:11PM | 0 recs
11 points is 11 points

I think Clinton needs to do three things:

1) Take a couple days off, refresh and refocus.

2) I think she nees to get back to foreign polic and thumping Bush.

3) If the emails exist Wolfson needs to find them and get them out there.  She can't let the fleas keep nipping at her ankles.

by dpANDREWS 2007-11-10 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: 11 points is 11 points

If the emails exist

I guess I'm behind the times. What emails?

by dblhelix 2007-11-10 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: 11 points is 11 points

hum....what emails??

by rapcetera 2007-11-10 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

I am not worried about a downtick in polling, just like with the national polling, there was a downward trend for a few days, and then it picked back up. Its statistical noise

by sepulvedaj3 2007-11-10 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

cut in half down tick in polling?  when you look at it overall, this is a trend.  upcoming debate.  she will be called out on her planting folks for questions.  sorry, her honesty will be called out, for sure.

by iamready 2007-11-10 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll: Clinton Lead in NH Nearly Cut in

So much for Edward's demise for taking on Hillary's double talk, that some here have been trying to say would happen.

by Progressive America 2007-11-10 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Marist Poll:

Truthfully, I find this GOOD news.  The way people were talking, I thought it might reveal 5 points or even less ahead.  I was prepared for much worse.

I always try to be truthful, and I tell ya, if she don't stop all these gaffes one after another coming out, she could be in real danger soon- she has got to turn things around- her main asset at the moment is democrats not having confidence in either Obama or Edwards, it could possibly be turning into 'Clinton's bad, but the others are even worse choices' and that's not a great way to win.  God knows I'll take it, though.

by reasonwarrior 2007-11-10 03:43PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton speech

One thing i've heard again and again from Hillary Clinton and his supporters is , to stop attacking Hillary and aim your attacks toward the GOP candidates.She's making the same statement through her speech tonight.

The problem with that is , first , challenging Hillary Clinton because of double-talking should not be perceived as attacking.

Second , If the rest of the democratic field stop challenging Hillary on anything , she'll the nomination win hands down because she's extremely well known and is basicly the democratic incumbent with the backing of the entire establishment.
You will never win against such a strong candidate by just ignoring her and aiming your attacks toward people that you're obviously not competing against.Remember , this is a democratic primary , not a general election.Your opponents are democrats , not republicans.

Unless you can differentiate yourself from Hillary by challenging her on her major weaknesses such as honesty , calculation and hawkish Iran and Iraq policies , she will crush you because she has huge advantages that have never been seen before.

Hillary and her supporters understand very well that if her democratic opponents stops challenging her and instead , aims their heat toward the GOP , she will walk to the democratic nomination  so this is why you hear a lot of talk coming from them suggesting the need to play nice and stop attacking or challenging Hillary.

Anyone noticed that the instant Hillary starts getting some heat , her polls starts trending down a bit?

This shows that the only way you beat her is by challenging her , not George Bush.

Democrats already know Hillary so anyone who wants to get their vote will have to tell those voters why they are better then her , period.

by Prodigy 2007-11-10 07:38PM | 0 recs

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