The End of Process Attacks

Whenever I've worked in a political campaign, I've noticed a weird language that operatives use to attack another candidate in print.  Here's a really good example:

"Silence is betrayal, and I believe it is a betrayal not to speak out against the escalation of the war in Iraq," Edwards told a crowd at Manhattan's Riverside Church, where Martin Luther King had declared his opposition to the Vietnam War.

"If you're in Congress and you know that this war is going in the wrong direction . . . it is no longer OK to study your options and keep your own private counsel," he said.

"Silence is betrayal. Speak out and stop this escalation now."

Edwards' hit on the front-runner for the Democratic nomination was not lost on the Clinton camp, which sees criticism from the Iraq war opponents as one of the major threats to her expected campaign for the presidential nomination.

"In 2004, John Edwards used to constantly brag about running a positive campaign. Today, he has unfortunately chosen to open his campaign with political attacks on Democrats who are fighting the Bush administration's Iraq policy," said Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson.

Wolfson isn't actually disputing the substantive argument that Edwards put out there, that politicians who don't act are as guilty as the people who perpetrate the war-mongering.  What Wolfson is doing is mocking the tone and strategy of Edwards.  The line boils down to 'Why is Edwards so mean as to bring morality into politics?'  This tone is designed for the press, to craft a narrative about Edwards as no longer the sunny campaigner, as the angry Dean-like person.

The one substantive argument that Wolfson makes is that Edwards is essentially not telling the truth that Clinton is fighting Bush's Iraq policy, and making it look like she's overly cautious and not particularly helpful in opposing Bush, and therefore complicit.  Maybe that is a misrepresentation of Hillary Clinton's position on Iraq, or maybe it's not.  But saying to the press that you are fighting Bush's policy on Iraq is not the same as fighting Bush's policy on Iraq.  Senators Clinton and Obama have the biggest microphones of anyone in the Democratic Party right now, and could at any point launch blistering critiques against Bush, and threaten him with defunding the war or other remedies.  They could work aggressively to stop Bush, but they are as yet only making cautious steps in that direction.   I respect those steps, but Edwards has a strong argument that clarity and resolution is necessary against a rogue President, and anything less than that is counterproductive.

Edwards is making the argument that priorities rather than the 'right' positions matter, that politicians ought to be judged based on the risks they are willing to take, and those they are not willing to take.  Senator Clinton might or might not come around to the 'right' position on Iraq, but her timing on the issue is as revealing of her character and priorities as the position itself.  Wolfson is speaking to the press and saying that Edwards is being too mean and not like his happy talk self in 2004.  Journalists might care about such 'attacks', but they ring hollow out here, where Google has memory of Senator Clinton's complicity from 2002-2007.  Her lack of action has allowed this war to go on as long as it has, and that's a sin she ought to acknowledge and work to make up for.  She must step up aggressively (and I would encourage her to think in terms of Iran), these attacks on Edwards will ring hollow among liberal primary voters, and will only serve to highlight to these voters her own lack of accomplishment, her own lack of judgment, and and yes, her own complicity in what's happened.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Howard Wolfsen, John Edwards (all tags)

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Re: The End of Process Attacks

I work in PR, and have on campaigns, too, and it's a weak hit to say merely that, paraphrasing, "it's a shame so-and-so is going negative."

Can't say I'm impressed by this HRC spokesperson.  Cue even more stories about how much "talent" her campaign has signed.

Even worse, however, is when candidates talk process.  "We need to do X....."  "We're getting our message out....."

by Andmoreagain 2007-01-15 07:52AM | 0 recs
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If there's one thing I hate more than negative campaigning during the primaries, it's candidates whining about negative attacks.  God!

Hillary, and everyone else in Congress, has a golden opportunity to defuse this particular criticism by actually DOING something about the war.  If they don't, after we all worked so hard to achieve a Democratic majority, then they're going to have a lot more to worry about than something John Edwards said.

by Steve M 2007-01-15 08:04AM | 0 recs
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Howard Wolfson is regarded by most to be a capable strategist and even has the respect of this Edwards supporter.

That said, the race is on.

by Vox Populi 2007-01-15 08:05AM | 0 recs
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Well, Wolfson whiffed 2 feet away from the ball on this first pitch.  

Granted, he could have done worse....he could have accused Edwards of "playing politics."  That's an eye-roller.

by Andmoreagain 2007-01-15 08:15AM | 0 recs
The New York Post, the Truth, and Going Negative

Matt, this supposed conflict comes to us courtesy of the New York Post which you have linked to, but did not explicitly cite.  In the future, when you cart in refuse from the New York Post, can you at least let us know up front? A few points:  

First, if you actually read Edwards' speech (or see it on YouTube), it is clear that Edwards never attacked Hillary Clinton.  In fact, he never mentioned her name at all. With respect to the "silence is betrayal" line, that phrase was a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. that Edwards used as a leitmotif repeatedly throughout the speech.  As such, he used that term to ask for action on poverty, AIDS, global warming, and yes, stopping Bush from escalating the Iraq war.  It had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton in particular.  Only a fool (or a New York Post editor) would suggest that he chose this term to attack Hillary Clinton...duh...without mentioning her name. Oh brother.

Second, Howard Wolfson, presumably being of sound mind and judgment, should have told the New York Post to shove off with their "attacking Hillary" angle.  He should have told them that Edwards did not attack Hillary Clinton at all...because...well...that is the truth. After six years of lies, don't we want to stand up for the truth? Remember the truth?

Third, what Howard Wolfson did, instead, was to essentially spin a lie. Some political operatives will no doubt revel in Wolfson's ability to mislead people with spin. My goodness, he is great at obfuscating the truth!  We need people like that in positions of power! He is absolutely "neo-con" in his ability to convince you that "up" is "down!" Hooray!

As for me, I can only condemn Wolfson's statement, which is IN FACT explicitly going negative against John Edwards. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that Hillary Clinton and her campaign are explicitly going negative against Edwards and Obama.  I can only hope that she and her campaign will fail in this effort.

by Demo37 2007-01-15 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: The New York Post, the Truth, and Going Negati

I don't think Matt is saying that Edwards attacked Hillary.  The attacks he's criticizing are the attacks from Wolfson that are aimed at Edwards.  

by Neil the Ethical Werewolf 2007-01-15 08:41PM | 0 recs
The New York Post as a Source of...

You are right Neil.  I did not mean to imply that Matt agreed with the New York Post and/or Wolfson, and assuredly, he was criticizing Wolfson's ways.  

The one quibble I had with Matt was that he did not tell us that the source for all of this "stuff" was the New York Post.  He just provided a link to an unnamed source.  

I have very little respect for the New York Post.  Just when you think it can't get any lower, it manages to worm its way into an even lower gutter.  Like Bush, the New York Post is not "reality based," because apparently, reality just does not sell as well as fantasy.  

by Demo37 2007-01-16 10:15AM | 0 recs
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It's much easier for Edwards to have all of the answers now that his perspective on Congressional action is entirely hypothetical.  ("If I were still in the Senate...")

I don't recall his being Senator Risk-taker when he was in office.  Amazing how successfully he's managed to recreate himself now that he's not.

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-15 08:05AM | 0 recs
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I think others have talked about this before.  Senators exist in a Washingon "bubble" where reality doesn't exist.

by Vox Populi 2007-01-15 08:11AM | 0 recs
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do you prefer someone who realizes his mistakes, and works to correct them or someone who is resolute, but wrong or someoen with whom you can pend down for nothing, and is something for everyone? those are the choices, not this mythical candidate who has never did anything wrong or will be exactly as you want him or her to be.

by bruh21 2007-01-15 08:17AM | 0 recs
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Your question is framed as a false dichotomy.

With that said, I think the absolute dumbest thing Democrats could do is push for some sort of carte blanche "cut off funding for the war" initiative as Edwards seems to be pushing.

Cutting off funding for the war = cutting off funding for body armor, food for the troops, etc. etc.  This is the Republican Party's dream move by Dems.  I can see the 2008 campaign commercials now.

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-15 08:52AM | 0 recs
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What Edwards and others have proposed is to prevent funding for an escalation, and in fact, to create funding for a withdrawl.  How is this carte blanche?

by Vox Populi 2007-01-15 08:55AM | 0 recs
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I'm wary of the idea of attempting to control foreign policy with Congress's power of the purse.  

The Constitution grants the President latitude in forming foreign policy, and that's a hard reality for the many of us who disagree with his brand of foreign policy. Still, he's the Commander-in-Chief whether we like it or not.  When our Democratic Congress gets in the business of trying to reshape foreign policy with the purse strings, we become the ones "undermining the troops" (or so the RNC commercials will say in 2008) by playing politics with funding.

I'm all for members of Congress using the bully pulpit to attack the President's war policies, but I have real concerns about using the power of the purse to pursue a foreign policy agenda in defiance of that of the Executive.

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-15 09:20AM | 0 recs
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The Constitution grants the President latitude in forming foreign policy, and that's a hard reality for the many of us who disagree with his brand of foreign policy.

The Constitution also grants the Congress the power to impeach, and I feel quite safe in saying that the Framers never conceived the extent to which Representatives and Senators would be willing to put their party's interests before the country's.

Desperate times and all that.

by BlueinColorado 2007-01-15 09:23AM | 0 recs
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I agree with you but don't really see how that's germane to questions about power-of-the-purse and foreign policy.

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-15 09:36AM | 0 recs
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in that it's a less than ideal solution, not in keeping with the spirit of the Constitution, but we are in extreme circumstances

by BlueinColorado 2007-01-15 09:37AM | 0 recs
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Conservatives would offer comparable reasoning to support torturing prisoners/suspected terrorists.  

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-15 09:44AM | 0 recs
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And I really didn't mean that to sound snarky.  Several conservatives I know earnestly believe that it's okay to abrogate natural law and subscribe to a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality with respect to prisoners who are suspected terrorists.

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-15 09:47AM | 0 recs
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I'd like reps who advocate the smart and ethical solutions where bloodletting's involved, above political calculations about their electability.

Real leaders provide that and worry about the personal consequences later.

by KevinHayden 2007-01-15 10:55AM | 0 recs
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I disagree with you that it's not "in keeping with the spirit of the Constitution."  The historical record is very clear that the Founding Fathers intended the power of the purse to be a check, perhaps the most critical check, on the President's warmaking powers.

By design, the President is definitely the guy who gets to call the shots in matters of foreign policy, but the Framers deliberately set up the system so that he'd have to depend on Congress to fund his wars, and thus depend on the will of the people.  Heck, if not for this, there would be no check at all short of impeachment.

by Steve M 2007-01-15 12:49PM | 0 recs
that's the only way Nam ended

by congress cutting off funds

by TarHeel 2007-01-15 02:28PM | 0 recs
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I don't recall his being Senator Risk-taker when he was in office.  Amazing how successfully he's managed to recreate himself now that he's not.

I sympathize with this perspective, and Edwards still has a tough road to hoe in convincing people he's changed.

by Matt Stoller 2007-01-15 08:33AM | 0 recs
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Merely mentioning the word "poverty" as part of a central message is a risk in itself. He didn't use that word much in 2004, if ever, IIRC.   I think the idea of Edwards being perceived as cautious is only true among political junkies.  If this is the biggest hurdle he has, he's in great shape.  

by Andmoreagain 2007-01-15 09:25AM | 0 recs
I remember Jesse Jackson saying at the

Media reform

"I would rather fight for something right and lose, then to fight for something wrong!"

Matt - I would say Edwards has come a long way already, where are the rest? Still deciding what was wrong or is still wrong now?

Edwards is leading the way, and forcing them to come to the table. What more do you want?

by dk2 2007-01-15 09:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Matt

While you are a hired plant for Hillary, I was a constituent of Edwards while he was in the Senate and I followed him carefully.  He voted exactly as he told the voters he said he would and he performed in a very upstanding manner.  Which would you believe someone paid to do their job or someone supporting a candidate they know has an excellent record?

by Carolina Voice 2007-01-15 10:55AM | 0 recs
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That will be a great answer, if and only if the Presidential candidates who currently hold office actually USE their position to do something.

If Hillary does nothing tangible about the war, for example, I won't be very impressed when she says "Yeah, but when Edwards was in my shoes, he was a big wuss too!"  We're not looking for the lesser of two wusses.

by Steve M 2007-01-15 08:53AM | 0 recs
This same sentiment could apply to all who

think Obama never was for the war, it certainly is easy to say that while he never was around to even have a vote.

by dk2 2007-01-15 09:54AM | 0 recs
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If he's right, he's right.  It's that simple.  He took stands when he was in the senate.  It's now time for others to do so too.

by Carolina Voice 2007-01-15 10:48AM | 0 recs
It's much easier for Clinton

To say, "If I were president" than to forward a progressive agenda in the Senate, too.

by Drew 2007-01-15 11:04AM | 0 recs
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GOP friend: if they think the questions you are asking are tough, wait until we get to you. that sums up my feelings on this whine fest

by bruh21 2007-01-15 08:18AM | 0 recs
soooo weak

I think they prepared the "it's a shame Edwards is so negative now" rebuttal in advance, then just fired it off at the first opportunity. The result is a total mismatch.

by JoeFelice 2007-01-15 08:18AM | 0 recs
So much whining going on.

When you are point one finger at others there are four coming back at you.

by Carolina Voice 2007-01-15 10:49AM | 0 recs
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Edwards did not "attack" "Democrats who are fighting the Bush administration's Iraq policy," he's speaking to Democrats who are NOT fighting the Bush administration's Iraq policy. He's urging them (positively) to speak up.
So Wolfson reverses the truth and falsely accuses Edwards of attacking, bragging, and being a hypocrite. Nice
by DeanOR 2007-01-15 08:27AM | 0 recs
Joe Lieberman Redux

Lamont is a multimillionaire Yet Joementum outraised and outspent lamont

by TarHeel 2007-01-15 02:29PM | 0 recs
Iraq Policy today

I love Edwards' positions on Universal Health Care,  Public Financing of Elections and eliminating poverty but the key issue in primaries will be Iraq.

Of the three leading candidates Edwards has clearly and directly postioned himself to the left of Clinton and Obama.

I admire that Obama opposed the war from the beginning but I am frustrated that he continues to avoid supporting any congressional action to limit the President's ability to escalate the war.

Hillary appears to be moving towards criticizing Bush's handling of the war but until she is able to admit that it was a mistake to vote for the War Authorization she will bleed suppport.

Edwards was dead on in his speech.   He did not even need to name Hillary or Obama so it is not necessary for them to defend themselves and silly to call that speech negative.

by AlanR 2007-01-15 08:32AM | 0 recs
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The Clinton camp must be nervous about HRC's stance on Iraq if they're going to spin this very general comment into a "personal attack" on HRC. Myself I took this to be a shot at the GOP Senators who have for three years been putting party before country. Maybe I'm naive, but I really think if Hillary would stop calculating and just follow her heart and her better instincts she'd do wonders for herself and the country.

Wasn't Wolfson the guy Hillary "loaned" to the Ned Lamont campaign? To my mind, Joe Lieberman's performance on MTP should be a hair-shirt for every Democrat who did not bust their ass to get Lieberman out of the Senate (another example of the Clintons' obsessive and ineffectual triangulation).

by BlueinColorado 2007-01-15 08:36AM | 0 recs
Let's be honest.

Hillary didn't like Edwards speaking on MLK Day in NYC because Bill strategically placed his office in Harlem hoping to win the black voters into her camp.  (Honesty is the best policy.)  Then, Edwards was invited to speak at a location within earshot of 'Hillary's stake' and it totally ticked her camp especially since Edwards had a brilliant speech and a great reception.  

That pretty much summarizes why she has a hair crossways.    

by Carolina Voice 2007-01-15 10:52AM | 0 recs
Here's the thing

If Hillary is really "fighting the Bush administration's Iraq policy", as Wolfson says, Edwards isn't making an attack on her.  He's aggressively supporting her position by encouraging more Congressmen and Senators to come to her side.  It's only if Hillary is supporting the Bush administration that Edwards' language amounts to an attack.  

I like the fact that the Post picked up exactly what was happening -- Hillary attacked John, not the other way around.  

by Neil the Ethical Werewolf 2007-01-15 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's the thing

That's a good point.  The press didn't buy the line.

by Matt Stoller 2007-01-15 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's the thing

That's good, because at this point in the game, the purpose of the attack isn't to persuade voters but to frame Edwards in a way that they want the press to adopt after it gets repeated several times.

Once the press buys into a promoted stereotype, that can dog a candidate forever. A stiff Al Gore, a stiff John Kerry who won't fight back, a crazy screaming Dean, will they try to build the narrative that Edwards eats his own? Sure they will. And they'll say while current Dems are doing the hard lifting on tough issues, Edwards is unemployed and picking on the workers.

The thing Edwards will have to work hardest to avoid is the frame that he's a nice guy like Carter, but equally weak in his nicey-niceness. And the Clinton crew knows spin as well as anyone, so he'd better bring his Alpha game to this fray.

by KevinHayden 2007-01-15 11:13AM | 0 recs
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Is Edwards' statement at Riverside Church that "silence is betrayal" a quote from Martin Luther King's famous speech at Riverside Church when he came out strongly against the war? It's a very appropriate thing to say at that location on this day in 2007. I don't know if it's a King quote, but it fits with King's message at that time. He was speaking about himself as well as others when he felt that he needed to speak out on the war rather than just focus on civil rights as some urged him to do.

by DeanOR 2007-01-15 08:43AM | 0 recs
Google says yes

MLK used that exact phrase "silence is betrayal"  in his speeches.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q =MLK+silence+is+betrayal&btnG=Google +Search

by TarHeel 2007-01-15 02:31PM | 0 recs
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Why does Hillary want to be president?

by mrobinsong 2007-01-15 08:46AM | 0 recs
To Triangulate on a bigger platform

by TarHeel 2007-01-15 02:32PM | 0 recs
I need URLS about Clinton's B.S. &

this is a great reminder of what little she's done and

what little she'll do.

It is primary season, and I enjoy helping people get educated, especially about sell outs.

I REALLY thought / hoped bill and al were gonna change how the game was played in '92

(like we wouldn't be argueing with flat earth fucks about contraception and abortion 15 fucking years later)

and the rules that were changed were

align with the fascists,
call yourself moderate / centrist,
trash people who are NOT kissing fascist ass.

screw the clintons.

rmm.

by seabos84 2007-01-15 09:08AM | 0 recs
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Thanks for the insight, and yes why does Hillary want to be prez??
My first post here, I have been lurking for some time now...
by Johnsim 2007-01-15 09:11AM | 0 recs
Right, Wrong, and politically risky?

Hmmm. Aren't all of these contestable terms?

Matt's post is spot on with regard to "process attacks."

Instead, let's have debates about who is really right and who is really taking the politically risky position.

Edwards is not taking the politically risky position. He is placing himself squarely where he needs to be to have any chance in the primary.

Obama may be the one taking the politically risky position. He risks losing too much of the Dem base every time he is cautious.

Clinton, like Edwards, is positioned where she needs to be.

Whose approach to actually solving the problem in Iraq is the best one is yet another debate.

by demondeac 2007-01-15 09:12AM | 0 recs
right on. All 3 are risk-averse.

Edwards is taking the least risky path for himself (trying to get the lion's share of the netroots/Deaniac support), while Obama and Clinton are taking less risky paths in terms of an eventual general election battle vs. McCain.  Obama emphasizes above all not doing anything to "strand" the troops currently in the field... yes this plays into a right-wing frame, but still it's crucial that the Dems not be seen as anti-troop.

by ri 2007-01-15 09:19AM | 0 recs
which means the risk averse

are more likely to lose a general _ not win it.

and even less likely to make a hill of beans difference in DC if they win

by TarHeel 2007-01-15 02:33PM | 0 recs
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Give me a break.

Edwards is running an "if I were still a senator" campaign now that has no office and no senatorial repsonsibilities.

I think its weak. HRC and BHO are frontrunners and he has to fire in their direction, but lets not all pretend that Edwards is not being POLITICAL right now.

Its easy to have a big fat moral compass now that he only represents himself. No I do not love HRC or Obama. Both are pretty far down on my list.

by ugottabkidding 2007-01-15 09:16AM | 0 recs
Me Versus Those Two

An interesting dynamic to watch unfold, if Clinton, Edwards and Obama remain the Big Three in the race:  each will try to set him/herself apart and lump the other two together.

Hillary:  experienced woman versus two inexperienced men.

Obama:  anti-war from the beginning versus two originally pro-war flip-floppers.

Edwards:  unabashed anti-Bush rhetoric versus two prone to over-cautious triangulation.

All three are valid strategies; it will be interesting to see which emerges as the strongest.

by ri 2007-01-15 09:24AM | 0 recs
Hillary and Obama 100% voting record on Iraq

in the senate.

On face the nation - obama took a pass on supporting ted kennedy's bill to block escalation.

by TarHeel 2007-01-15 02:34PM | 0 recs
not really

Schieffer asked Obama two questions, and Obama gave general support:

SCHIEFFER: Now you know, early next week we expect to have this resolution,
this nonbinding resolution of disapproval come before the Senate.

Sen. OBAMA: Right.

SCHIEFFER: Senator Kennedy also says he is going to introduce legislation to flatly cut off funding for an expansion of the war. I take it from what you're saying that you are not ready at this time to vote with Senator Kennedy.


Sen. OBAMA: Well, I think that all of us are concerned in making sure that
whatever resolutions or legislation or proposals that are out there don't
potentially strand troops that are already there. I am fully supportive of
Senator Kennedy's intent, and I think Senator Levin is as well, and the
majority of the Democratic caucus is interested in figuring out how do we
constrain the president. I personally think that if there are ways that we
can constrain and condition what the president's doing so that four to six
months from now we are beginning a phased withdrawal while making sure that
the troops on the ground have the equipment that they need to succeed, then
that is going to be the area that I'm most interested in supporting.

It's clear that Obama would lead to end the war that others voted to allow Bush to start.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-01-15 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: not really

Works for me and I think Senator Obama slipped the noose with integrity and principals intact.  Good leaders choose their battleground carefully.

I think this funding issue is a potential trap for Democrats.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-01-16 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Me Versus Those Two

Very succinct.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-01-15 02:36PM | 0 recs
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I don't have any clue as to what candidate will win in the end but I do think the liberal blogosphere/activist factions will rally around Edwards. He's the one on the attack, taking risks, using straight forward language. (Not as good as Dean did it, as Edwards is more of a politician.)

by padcrasher 2007-01-15 09:43AM | 0 recs
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Edwards is taking risks? How?

by demondeac 2007-01-15 10:02AM | 0 recs
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He's criticizing other Democrats for not speaking out loudly against the war, with the implication that the ones who command the most notariety are the ones who should be speaking the loudest.

What concerns me about this speech is it can't be used too often. There are a lot of issues that deserve to be heard and Iraq is just one of them. This type of attack is meant as a challenge to other Democrats, and you can't build a campaign just by being the gadfly (and please someone tell that to Nader). I think Iraq is like a big barn right now, everyone is going to have their way of framing it. Edwards should be pushing Dems to act on other things like universal health care instead where other voices are not making themselves heard as much.

M  

by techsoldaten 2007-01-15 03:13PM | 0 recs
Isn't there a double standard here?

I agree completely that HRC's spokesman made an empty and pathetic process attack, and I wish that nonsense would stop. But shouldn't we also send a little heat John Edwards' way for essentially making the same sort of non-policy oriented attack in the first place. I am no Clinton supporter, but I think if Edwards wants to attack her, he ought to do it in more substantive ways than saying that her language isn't strong enough. The only thing less effective than symbolic votes are symbolic statements about symbolic votes.

Let's face it, Edwards and Clinton have to date only cast one vote of significance regarding the war, and it was the same one, the wrong one, back in 2002. Furthermore, as much as we fret about Clinton's lack of vocal opposition to the war (and, more amazingly, about the supposedly not-quite-vocal-enough opposition from Obama), the reality is that there is no real policy difference on Iraq among any of the major democratic candidates, at least not now. There are no Liebermans here, nor are there Kuciniches (sp?).
Does anyone seriously think that if any of these democrats are elected in 2008, our force-level in Iraq circa 2010 will not be much lower, if not zero? Would any of them even get our troops out weeks or months faster than another of them? Unlikely.

I think there is too much attention paid in blog-world, and on cable news, to the 15-second soundbyte hairsplitting differences among Dems, and not enough attention on the amazing chasm of difference between the Dems and the GOP.  And regarding the Presidential contest, there is far too much focus on what they would do if they were President TODAY, which is a completely irrelevant hypothetical when the next inauguration is still two years away. Take a deep breath, everyone, this election is going to be a long haul.

by James Gatz 2007-01-15 09:44AM | 0 recs
The 'Attack'

Edwards never mentioned HRC.

by adamterando 2007-01-15 09:53AM | 0 recs
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That's a pretty mild attack. Edwards made no reference to Clinton. He just made the point that Dems need to start being more forceful in ending this bullshit war. 90% of Dems agree and 60% of the public at large. So I don't see anything wrong on Edwards part. If the shoe fits Clinton might want to retriangulate.

by padcrasher 2007-01-15 09:59AM | 0 recs
Absolutely Heartbreaking

Edwards comment was absolutely heartbreaking..  How dare he suggest that our supposed leaders should speak out on important issues of the day.  How dare he, in this like manner, suggest that if one doesn't stand up, and speak out then they should get out of the way.  Absolutely heartbreaking!!!

by stephennnn 2007-01-15 10:04AM | 0 recs
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How about for starters making universal healthcare and ending poverty major parts of your campaign. Since when is sticking up for the little guy in the US not a political risk?

by padcrasher 2007-01-15 10:16AM | 0 recs
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When it's the popular thing to do. Universal health care. Who is not for that? Ending poverty. Check.

Devil is in the details.

I think that his more risky move was saying deficit reduction may have to be a lower priority goven these economic needs. That was riskier.

by demondeac 2007-01-15 10:33AM | 0 recs
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Whah?

The Republicans and Clintonistas ran on "welfare reform/gutting," because IT was popular.  I admire your sunshine optimism about how much the American people currently want to help the working poor, but no one has made "eliminating poverty" a plank since the 1960s.

by philgoblue 2007-01-15 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

When I see process-related stories on campaigns I support--e.g. "Kerry has to blah blah blah in response to Swift Boat attacks" or "Dean's staff blah blah blah"--I know that they are losing the P.R. game (probably with help from the media outlet itself, which always seems to favor right-wingers).   If you are the story, you are not getting your message out.  

So it's not surprising to see campaigns feeding those process-related narratives to the press, as a sure way to keep the focus off of their opponents' messages.

by chiefscribe 2007-01-15 10:31AM | 0 recs
Whining about attacks

I don't mean this in an ugly way, but it sounds like this poster is whining about 'perceived attacks' on his chosen candidate, but wanting to attack Edwards while flying low.  Now, I have listened to the entire Edwards video and he did NOT attack anyone or even call anyone's name.  If he had, I probably would have at least said you had a legitimate beef, but you really don't.

Now, when it comes down to it, Congress does have a responsibility (that includes Senator Clinton) to take a stand and let their constituents and possible future constituents know where they stand on the issues. To do otherwise is simply playing the political game and we have had more than enough of that from the other side.  I have nothing against Senator Clinton.  She seems to be a good Senator, but if she can't take it she needs to get out of the kitchen.  She is simply (or the poster is) ridden with a guilty conscientious and upset about being caught fence riding.  Remember how anxious she was once to tell us she was 'no Tammy Wynette' to the point of offending all of Tammy's fans?  Well, rather than trying to pick fights, it's time for her to pick a side.        

by Carolina Voice 2007-01-15 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

Actually, Senator Clinton has done a great deal of Bush bashing - somewhere I have all the links - and there are dozens of them.  She has trounced Bush and his administration at every opportunity and she has done so with conviction.  John Edwards knows this.  He just hopes the people he is preaching to don't.  Not so smart John!  

by marycontrary 2007-01-15 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

Re the above comment I just posted - I meant to say that Hillary has bashed Bush on Iraq, specifically. I could post my links.

by marycontrary 2007-01-15 11:09AM | 0 recs
On Edwards and Risk

Time was when it would've been enough for a Democratic policitican to be progressive. Now, apparently, we want him to be a risk-taker too. (My glib response? Want a risk taker? Draft David Blaine.) One of the beautiful things about the turn this country has taken over the last couple of years is that it has become pragmatically wise for a progressive to be principled. (Here the concept of risk get confusing. I'd argue that the people taking risks now are Obama and Hillary, by being too moderate.) Edwards has seen an opening on the Left, and he's filled it, hard. But this is not enough for some progressives--like Stoller (and his acolytes, if he has any)--who don't trust Edwards, who fear that he's not "one of us," and because they can't cite his platform and positions for proof, they say he hasn't taken sufficient risks.

I suppose that political risks taken in the name of progressive ideals proves to people that you're the real deal, not an opportunist who'll will take votes from liberals in the Primary, then govern as a centrist once elected. Like Bill Clinton, I guess.

Fair enough. Let me tackle this question directly.

Where does Edwards come down on the risk scale? Well, compared to who? Or, at the risk of seeming effete, compared to whom? Edwards has been cautious compared to mavericks like Feingold and Bernie Sanders (or Ron Paul, for that matter). But compared to professional presidential candidates, people who for many years have harbored a plausible desire to be president, Edwards has been a relative risk-taker. As a Southern senator, he was staunchly pro-choice and opposed to a flag burning amendment--positions that were unpopular.

He's a populist at heart; his identification with the little guy or gal has informed both his legal and political work, and anyone who sees him talk live about economic justice can doubt that he means it. But his progresives instincts go deeper than that. I was interested to see this exchance between John Ashcroft and Senator Edwards, not long after 9-11, in which Edwards poses probing and aggressive questions that show a concern for civil liberties:

http://www.counterpunch.org/edwards1.htm

But I know, I know: Edwards voted for the Patriot Act. He's been too cautious, but as this exchange shows; his instincts are progressive, he has strong liberal leanings, and the situation in the country, thanks in no small part to the netroots, is now such that Edwards sees that it's in his best interest to be himself, to let his progressive freak flag fly.

This is a cause for celebration--not cynicism!

Blog brothers and sisters: You've helped to create this progressive candidacy; now embrace it!

In his 2004 campaign he chose to make poverty a central issue--not exactly a poll-tested beaut. He could've chosen to stay in the center of the spectrum, gaining experience and burnishing his "electability" credentials. Surely, there were DC consultants telling him to do just that, but he got the hell out of DC, and that was a good bold move in and of itself. Then he put together a strongly progressive grassroots campaign.

Is this a big risk? No, not if you compare it to MLK's leading a march to Montgomery; but for a professional pol inside the bubble to to reject Rubinomics as well as the BIg Money powers that helped Clinton win the presidency strikes me as, at the very least, bold--a bold yet smart move by a progressive politician who really really wants to be president.

Good enough for me, and you?

by david mizner 2007-01-15 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: On Edwards and Risk

It's kind of the Joe Klein test - you have to show you're willing to take some risky, non-Democratic position in order to prove you're a serious Democrat.

by Steve M 2007-01-15 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

I wonder if Democrats like Kucinich, Feingold, Clark,Gore, and Dean   would call this all a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

by haypops 2007-01-15 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

Fuck Edwards! If Clinton or Obama isn't the nominee in 2008, Democrats are guaranted a loss against Romney, Huckabe, McCain and Guliani. Edwards has just a little more cred than Dennis Kucinich.

by bsavage 2007-01-15 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

I am not the biggest fan of Edwards, but c'mon.  That's not nice.

by jgarcia 2007-01-15 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: The End of Process Attacks

Clark could beat all of them.

M

by techsoldaten 2007-01-15 03:16PM | 0 recs

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