Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and Off

I noticed something earlier today: the 2008 Democratic presidential field is nearly set already. Check it out:

Definite Ins and Outs
  • Already announced: Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Gravel, Kucincih and Vilsack.
  • Definitely not running: Bayh, Daschle, Feingold, Warner
Probably Not Running
  • Kerry: Anyone who delays an announcement until "late spring,"as Kerry has done, is almost certainly not running.
  • Gore: While he hasn't thoroughly ruled it out, he also certainly has not taken any major steps towards running. Even when he leaves the door open in public statements, he makes it clear that the most likely option is that he will not run in 2008.
Probably Will Run
  • Clinton: As the New York Times recently reported: Mrs. Clinton, meanwhile, plans to announce her decision in the next several weeks, her advisers say. According to several Democrats who have spoken to her, as well as advisers, Mrs. Clinton has given every indication that she is running, short of saying so, and no signals that she is not.
  • Obama: Now indicates that he won't make any announcements for at least two weeks, but most indications seem to be that he is actually running. I would be quite surprised at this point, after all of the press he has gotten, if he doesn't end up running.
  • Richardson: One month ago, he stated that he was running, but now says he will decide in January. Leaking his own run, and then retracting it, strikes me as a strong indication that he will in fact run.
In my mind, the biggest remaining mystery is Clark. I honestly have no idea if he is going to run or not, even though these days some insiders, such as Hotline TV, guess that he probably won't. He has said he will make a decision "early" this time. However, time is definitely running out to still be "early," and he doesn't' seem to be making any clear moves to indicate he is running: joining a think tank and preparing to release a book next fall are not the sorts of things prospective candidates typically do.

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Overall, it looks as though the field should be all but set in just one month (or less). This will make it possible for pollsters to start presenting a more useful gauge of public sentiment in early states and nationwide. It also gives us a glimpse into an interesting possibility online. Ever since Feingold declared he wouldn't run, I have assumed that the netroots community would be significantly more divided in 2008 than we were in 2004. During the last primary season, Dean and Clark sucked up most of the oxygen online, but this time around it seemed possible that several candidates were positioned to have strong support online. However, especially if Clark and Gore do not run, they would join Warner and Feingold among the potentially strong netroots candidates who decided against running for President. Barring the strong online emergence of other candidates, that would leave pretty much just Edwards and Obama, not entirely unlike Dean and Clark. While it remains to see if online support for Edwards and Obama can be translated into the same activist windfall that benefited Dean and Clark, both of whom would have little-to-nothing in the way of a competitive campaigns without the netroots, the opportunity is clearly ripe for both candidates. If the netroots were fairly united behind two candidates already in the top tier, it could significantly tip the balance of power in this election in a way that no other campaign could deal with.

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35 Comments

Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

Richardson is going to be in South Carolina this Friday and Saturday.

by Laurin from SC 2007-01-11 11:45AM | 0 recs
I've decided whom to support:

whoever Feingold endorses.  He has hinted at support for Obama:  that works for me.  I think Richardson may also be able to garner some netroots support.

No one is going to blow the field away like Dean did in 2004.  The reason:  they're all Howard Dean now.   At least, they're all talking now like he did then.

by ri 2007-01-11 11:48AM | 0 recs
"blow the field away"?

In terms of what?  He didn't win.

What's clear is that with or without Gore, this is the most impressive field of candidates we've had since, what, 1968?  Governors, senators, folks with cabinet experience, etc.

by Adam B 2007-01-11 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: "blow the field away"?

Yes and no.

If you include the second tier, we have an exceedingly qualified field.

If you just look at the top three though, we have three junior Senators.  The only one with real experience outside of one term in the Senate is also the one that Rush Limbaugh made his name slandering.

The candidates that most of the netroots are gonna wind up favoring, Obama and Edwards, have inexperience as their main drawback.

by texas dem 2007-01-11 01:18PM | 0 recs
I find it

singularly unimpressive without Gore.

by leftvet 2007-01-12 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: I've decided whom to support:

I've noticed that, too.  (In the closing days of the Iowa caucuses in 2004, Edwrads actually started using Dean's lines.)

by justinh 2007-01-11 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

So we're likely to have 2 governors (1 sitting), 4 sitting senators, 2 former senators, and a House member running for president. I don't think Clark will run; I think he'd do well in some sort of Cabinet position somewhere down the road (either State or Defense).

Of those who seem to be running, I'd argue that Richardson has the most experience. Both Biden and Dodd have been in the Senate forever, but the last election placed Senate experience in a negative light. Interestingly enough, the 'heavyweights' who will join the race (Clinton and Obama) have the lightest experience at the executive or federal level. Gravel and Kucinich are irrelevant. Vilsack needs to put up some strong numbers financially if he's going to have any impact on the race.

I agree with the assessment that Edwards and Obama will be vying for netroots support, but there's a distinct difference between the two: Edwards has been actively embracing Internet grassroots activism, while Obama has been slighting his thumb towards us ever since he had his feelings hurt over at Daily Kos in 2005 (or whatever it may be. He never came back after telling the crowd to be civil). Edwards, though, unlike Dean, will have a much better managed campaign, and I think he has a genuine shot at garnering the nomination. As of right now, an Edwards/Obama ticket sure sounds good.

I still wish either Feingold or Gore would seriously consider getting in the race.

And don't forget - Sharpton's been thinking about making another run at it. This might have the potential to split African-American support from Obama and/or Clinton, perhaps?

by PsiFighter37 2007-01-11 11:49AM | 0 recs
Was Obama heckled or something? NT

NT

by EricJaffa 2007-01-11 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman refused to endorse Dodd today

Interesting, given that senators customarily endorse the presidential run of a fellow senator from the same state and same party (given Liebrman's claim tht he remains a Democrat).  Moreover, Dodd was going to run in 2004 but deferred out of respect to Lieberman.

by justinh 2007-01-11 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman refused to endorse Dodd today

Senator Dodd should thank his lucky stars that he didn't get an endorsement.... ;-)

by palamedes 2007-01-11 11:56AM | 0 recs
Dodd

Thank god Lieberman didn't endorse Dodd. He would have poisoned Dodd's online campaign on Day 1.

As for Dodd, he's well placed to get the IAFF endorsement and the river Catholics in Iowa - that's the road that John Kerry took to primary victory.

Dodd will make things like habeas corpus part of the debate. That's all good IMHO.

by joejoejoe 2007-01-11 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Dodd

Perhaps 'river Catholics' is too glib. I meant that Iowa has a high concentration of Catholic voters along it's river border and those voters went strong for John Kerry in '04. Chris Dodd is Irish-Catholic.

by joejoejoe 2007-01-11 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman refused to endorse Dodd today

Really?  I wish we had run Dodd instead of Kerry in 2004.

I hope there's another reason Dodd stayed out than just Lieberman's big ego.  That would be tragic, cause I think Dodd would have beaten W.  

by texas dem 2007-01-11 01:22PM | 0 recs
Clark and Netroots

Didn't Clark also have some major Clintonistas pulling for him?

by CT student 2007-01-11 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I'd argue that Edwards and Obama aren't distinct enough to split the netroots among them. Partisans of either will probably argue with me about the huge differences between them ... but they aren't the opposites that Dean and Clark were.

I think there's plenty of room for at least one more, and possibly two. I've said before, and I stick to it, the nomination has four moving parts: Clinton, Obama, Edwards, and Richardson. Probably in that order right now, but Obama and Edwards maybe should be switched. I think there's room for Richardson online, but I don't see Hillary making an impact online to match her offline presence.

by BriVT 2007-01-11 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I'm a partisan Obama supporter and I actually agree with your statement... probably why Edwards is my #2... Their styles are different, but they have a lot of similiarities.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-01-12 07:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I think this is easy to handicap.

HRC spent 8 years in the WH gathering chits, now she can start cashing them in.

Obama is doing a Gore 84.  Probably angling for VP with HRC.  He will scramble the AA vote for HRC, that she was probably counting on to wrap up the nomination.  But she has 8 years of chits gathered in the WH.  That is why Clark is not running.  Ask his son.  I'd say HRC will have to run harder than she expected, but ultimately she has the party establishment behind her.  Remember how they united against Dean.

Edwards will run a noble race reminding us that there is still a lower and a middle class in this country, endangered though the latter may be.  In the best tradition of US national politics, his message will be coopted by the HRC campaign.  Edwards will not get the nomination in a time dominated by scared voters and foreign policy (Iraq).

The only thing that could seriously scramble things: if Gore were to surprise everyone.

And you know what?  I think he's going to surprise us.  I think he's relishing the reception his documentary got, and thinking about the platform a campaign would give him to put global warming on the national agenda.

Just a hunch.

by Taylor26 2007-01-11 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

Why would the primary voters vote for HRC?  What has she said about Iraq?  I bet she doesn't win the nomination.  Who is excited for her?  No one, that is who(Excuse me, the money men and women in DC).  She is the pundits choice, not the choice of the people.

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-01-11 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I'll throw down the gauntlet right here, right now and put it in print.  HRC will not win the nomination.  I am willing to bet the farm, truck, and house on it.

by maddogg 2007-01-11 01:10PM | 0 recs
absolutely right

The battle will be to become "not Hillary." I think it's going to be Edwards.

by desmoinesdem 2007-01-11 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

Well that is one stupid bet. I mean look at the current opinion polls.

There is a big difference between not wanting her to win, and thinking she's unlikely to win.

by kundalini 2007-01-12 04:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

Well people have been way ahead in early polls and lost before... and i think HRC will be beaten... but I still wouldn't take the bet... To much of a gamble.

by yitbos96bb 2007-01-12 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

Have you seen polls of likely primary voters?  After all, that is the key.

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-01-13 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

Edwards was ahead in the last two Iowa polls.

Right now, opinion polls mean very little because of name recognition.  She destroys people like Richardson because people say HRC instead of "some dude I never heard of".  But when polled against people like Edwards and Obama, it's a lot closer.

This is a bet that I can with which I can sleep well.

by maddogg 2007-01-14 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

A Gore surprise times well...

He's among those who can wait and keep his powder dry a little longer...say until he makes an announcement on the damn Academy Awards...

"I'd like to thank the Academy...and, by the way..."

Or is that too "Hollywood Liberal?"

by Reelpolitik 2007-01-11 01:39PM | 0 recs
which party establishment?

Democratic Party chairs in Iowa's counties are overwhelmingly not for HRC. Edwards has a huge lead among those people, and they will be very influential in a caucus race. HRC will finish a distant fourth at best in Iowa.

Why did the party establishment try to block Dean? Because they thought he couldn't win. Which is the same reason that ultimately there will be coalescence around the "not Hillary" candidate.

For now Obama has a lot of media buzz, but wait until the hate machine starts taking shots at him.

My money is on Edwards right now.

by desmoinesdem 2007-01-11 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I wonder why anyone thinks HRC would necessarily have any more support among African-Americans than any other candidate? Just because the idiots on TV somehow think AA support for her husband will transfer to her will make it so.

To my mind Edwards and Obama are more likely to be fighting for the AA vote than Obama and HRC.

Edwards has done a rather admirable job of laying the ground work for wins or strong showings in the early caucus and primary states.

Basicly it comes down to HRC's money and insider connections vs. Obama's charisma and media lovefest vs. Edwards populism and smart early field work vs. Richardson's experience and gravitas.

by ces 2007-01-11 04:49PM | 0 recs
Problem is

Gore will be the Clark of 2008, in that his supporters will never stop waiting for him to enter until he either does so or the first primary happens.  His delay will cause a significant portion of Dems to withhold their support from ANY announced candidate.

by Nonpartisan 2007-01-11 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and
Gore will not run and neither will Clark.
I don't support Edwards as he is a big yawn.
Hillary will fall and be out of the race after N.C.
by vwcat 2007-01-11 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I guess you didn't see the early Nevada numbers.

by kundalini 2007-01-12 04:09AM | 0 recs
Clark is needed

and as duty guides him, I think he will run.  

He said a day or so ago that he would announce within the next few weeks, but that he is currently trying to do what he can to move foreign policy in the right way (I think by helpting to craft the congressional message and with op eds).  Once he announces, the perception that his words are a reflection of his campaign, instead of "what they are" will cloud things.

But looking at his schedule on securingamerica.com I'm thinking that Monday would be a nice day for an announcement.  

by catherineD 2007-01-11 11:12PM | 0 recs
Democratic Field Taking Shape

John Edwards timing is wrong.  The candidate with the most foreign policy experience, coupled with domestic policy experience will win.  Outside of the netroots, which is still a very small percentage of the Dem party at large, there is going to be a swell of support for Senator Clinton, based on her record and her past 28 to 30 years of political experience, right back to her 12 year stint as First Lady of Arkansas, to the present day.  And Bill Clinton will be criss-crossing the country on her behalf as her biggest promoter and fundraiser.  Hillary is 60 years old and has waited her life for this opportunity and the time is right.  She deserves it.  I hope she gets it.  She has certainly paid her dues.

by marycontrary 2007-01-11 11:46PM | 0 recs
A lifetime of cowardice and triangulation

should be rewarded by a presidency.

by Cyt 2007-01-12 12:23AM | 0 recs
Three Big Questions

(1) Will Gore enter the race?
(2) Will Edwards accept being second banana to Gore?
(3) Will Obama accept being second banana to Edwards?

I will have to really hold my breath if we wind up with a Clinton/Obama ticket. If that happens, the Red Warrior Pundits will cut them to shreds. Are enough Americans smart enough to ignore their God-and-Country-flavored attacks?

I get a fuzzy picture whenever I try to envision  VP Hillary. She is in a precarious position. The country could probably handle her as VP, but I doubt that she could stomach being VP under the candidates we have who can win.

Edwards & Obama has a very nice ring to it, but as someone said, their lack of experience could really hold back a strong Edwards/Obama ticket.

That brings me to the only combination that allows me a sigh of relief. A Gore/Edwards ticket would win. McCain may as well throw in the towel before he spends all that money campaigning.

http://sucktheboob.blogspot.com

by Spyder 2007-01-12 04:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Field Taking Shape, Both Online and

I find it interesting that there's so much support for Gore. Very interesting indeed.

If he gets the nomination in 2008, I will have to take the path of the 2000 election and vote for Nader. Al Gore will do nothing for our country.

If Edwards is the best we've got... Ok...
But I'm still putting my money (and time and effort) on Obama. It's time to make history.

And if Barack Obama doesn't run or gets knocked out early, I will fight tooth and nail against Hillary. I dislike her for the same reasons I dislike Gore -- snootiness doesn't make friends.

by Brad ODonnell 2007-01-12 05:00PM | 0 recs

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