Lieberman Goes on Rightwing Blog, Attacks Al Gore, Chris Dodd, and Ted Kennedy

I don't normally link to right-wing outlet Pajamas Media, but since  this right-wing billionaire backed blog outlet has an exlusive interview with Joe Lieberman.... 

Lieberman - the former Democrat now running as an Independent to retain his Connecticut senate seat - was asked by PJM's CEO Roger Simon if he could forgive once close friends Chris Dodd, Al Gore and Teddy Kennedy, for endorsing his opponent Ned Lamont, the former Democratic Party vice-presidential candidate responded: "I can forgive ... but I probably won't forget."

Lieberman is throwing the whole party under the bus.  It's time for 2008 candidates to step up.  

Update: I think this is a major error on Lieberman's part. He has run a pretty good general election campaign, casting himself as a bipartisan uniter and generally lying about his record. That has largely worked because it's been the narrative in Connecticut for 18 years. Lieberman's still holding on to a piece of the Democratic vote, which he'll need to keep to win.

This attack, or even quiet threat, could change the dynamic significantly. Lieberman went on a very right-wing outlet and attacked the party standard-bearer from 2000. A lot of Lieberman's credibility comes from his position as a VP candidate in 2000; attacking Al Gore the way he did for supporting the party nominee really undercuts his credibility as a Democrat. Chris Dodd is a Connecticut institution, so Lieberman's attack on Dodd isn't going to go over well, and Ted Kennedy is generally very popular among Democrats.

All in all, this is not a smart political move by Lieberman.

Tags: Al Gore, Chris Dodd, Ted Kennedy (all tags)



Re: Lieberman Goes on Rightwing Blog, Threatens Al


I think you need to tone down your rhetoric in nearly all your posts. When you make such bombastic claims about every injustice in the political sphere, it dampens the effect you are seeking. This wasn't a threat, it was just a statement of dissatisfaction that his longtime political allies are supporting his opponent. You do not need to exaggerate the content of statements or actions taken by Lieberman or Emanuel or any other Democrat to make your point.

by malkori 2006-09-28 12:34PM | 0 recs
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Matt -
I love you just the way you are. I love your words, how you turn them into swords or political sweet talk. You inspire me. Your generation inspires me. You've taken the 50's, 60's, and 70's much farther than we did. That's how it's supposed to work. A lot of us lefty oldies quit to have kids and now are back in for the finals and - gosh - are we ever thrilled to see you guys taking the torch straight through the Internet and beyond. Whew. I do my best to keep up. Don't change because you are in for a great ride!
by mrobinsong 2006-09-28 12:46PM | 0 recs
do not wait too long for them

"Lieberman is throwing the whole party under the bus.  It's time for 2008 candidates to step up."

I would not spend too mcuh time holding my breath.  You are more likley to find them in Virginia, Tennessee, Penn, Ohio, New Jersey, and Missouri, they are taking there cue from Bill Clinton the Democrats win either way, right or wrong this is where they are and where they will stay.

by THE MODERATE 2006-09-28 12:49PM | 0 recs

Is MyDD really censoring people who are critical now?

by malkori 2006-09-28 12:59PM | 0 recs
I hope Dodd gets pissed

Matt, do you think Dodd will be insulted enough to actively campaign for Lamont?

Or will he do a Clinton and just be content with whatever comes out of the election? I am surprised that with the exception of people like Wes Clark , Kerry, and Dean, not many have expressed strong disapproval over Lieberman's stance and statements over the last few months marginalising the party.

You would think Lieberman is shooting himself in the foot with such tactless statements, but it doesn't seem to have inspired much passion in the democrats in rebutting these statements. Maybe, just maybe, he may have gone too far. I hope reporters keep pestering Dodd to comment on this so he won't forget either.

by Pravin 2006-09-28 01:02PM | 0 recs
Al Gore hasn't endorsed either candidate... fuses-to-endorse-lieberman

"Interviewed on Bloomberg TV, Al Gore refused to endorse his former vice presidential running mate, Sen. Joe Lieberman (C-CT), in his re-election race."

by EricJaffa 2006-09-28 01:08PM | 0 recs
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Which makes it even worse.  Lieberman is willing to express a grudge against Gore to right-wingers just for not supporting him in the primary.  What a self-entitled crybaby!

by Redshift 2006-09-28 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Al Gore hasn't endorsed either candidate...

Joe Lieberman hates it when other Democrats show party loyalty. He thinks guys like Chris Dodd, Al Gore and Teddy Kennedy should betray the party like he does.

by William Domingo 2006-09-28 02:23PM | 0 recs
Project Nutpick

Does anyone have a hand site with all the racist and bigoted remarks by Pajamas Media? It would make for a handy press release to share with the media when Joe Lieberman's interview ultimately appears on Pajamas Media.

Lanny Davis wants to nutpick hidden comments from Daily Kos and publish them in the WSJ? I think turnabout is fair play - let Joe Liebmerman explain why he's appearing alongside the angry awful bloggers of Pajamas Media.

by joejoejoe 2006-09-28 02:13PM | 0 recs
Lieberman has attacked Clinton and Gore for years

Lieberman goes against Clinton on stock options for executives

To demonstrate that he wasn't anti-business, Lieberman became a champion of stock options, a cause dear to many high-tech executives, and Lieberman liked and trusted most businessmen. In the mid-nineties, the Financial Accounting Standards Board announced that it was going to recommend that all companies report the costs of stock options as a business expense. Its argument was straightforward: stock options were an expense, which companies already reported for tax purposes, and omitting their cost from income statements deceived investors about companies' true financial condition. The corporate community rebelled, especially high-tech companies, which relied heavily on stock options to compensate their executives. Lieberman sided with them, while Arthur Levitt, Clinton's chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, backed the accounting board.

Joe joins with Republicans, attacks Bill Clinton

In his second term, he and William Bennett, the conservative former Secretary of Education, began a crusade against violence and vulgarity in the entertainment business. And then, on September 3, 1998, shortly before the release of the Starr report, Lieberman gave his famous speech on the Senate floor about President Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky. Noting his "deep disappointment and personal anger," Lieberman said that Clinton's behavior was "not just inappropriate, it is immoral and it is harmful, for it sends a message of what is acceptable behavior to the larger American family, particularly to our children."

Make the pies higher! Lieberman campaigns against Gore.

His conservative approach on the economy has brought Lieberman into a testy, long-distance debate with Al Gore. During the 2000 campaign, Gore often invoked the phrase "the people, not the powerful." Lieberman told me, "I didn't like the phrase, and to the best of my knowledge I never used it in the campaign, because it didn't really reflect what Al's record was. It didn't reflect the Clinton-Gore years. Why didn't it? Because it suggested class conflict, and we were not about that. It's very much not the New Democratic message. We were about growing the economic pie."

Lieberman throws Cheney debate.

He did not assume the customary role of the Vice-Presidential nominee as hatchet man, which would have been out of character for him. At one key moment, in fact, Lieberman's gentlemanly bearing may have hurt Gore's chances. Lieberman's debate with Dick Cheney on October 5, 2000, in Danville, Kentucky, was a decorous standoff; the polite exchanges allowed Cheney to prove that he was not the right-wing ideologue that his voting record in Congress suggested he was. Lieberman remains defensive about his performance in the debate.

Lieberman sides with Republicans against Gore on Florida votes.

During the thirty-six-day post-election battle in Florida, Lieberman shied away from another fight. Sunday, November 19, 2000, nearly two weeks into the recount, when political momentum began to swing against Gore, Lieberman switched tacks. On that day, the Bush campaign began assailing the Democrats for trying to exclude the votes of military personnel who were stationed overseas if their ballots did not comply with Florida law. Norman Schwarzkopf, the retired general and Bush surrogate, declared, "It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women [who] are serving abroad and facing danger . . . are denied the right to vote [because] of some technicality out of their control." The next morning, Lieberman appeared on "Meet the Press" to answer the charge. Lieberman capitulated completely. Republicans around Florida cited Lieberman's statement to persuade local canvassing boards to allow hundreds of invalid ballots to be counted. (A later investigation by the Times found that six hundred and eighty illegal absentee ballots had been included in the final total in Florida. 1216fa_fact

by William Domingo 2006-09-28 02:30PM | 0 recs
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How did Lieberman vote on the torture bill?

by antiHyde 2006-09-28 02:45PM | 0 recs
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It looks like he's been kept onside for this one. Whoopee. Joe's on board for basic human decency and the central principle of English-speaking crimial law for the last 800 years. It's only the constitutionally-gerrymandered Republican majority and a nice heartland "Democrat" who think that we should throw over every lesson that we've learned since 1215.
by jsw 2006-09-28 02:49PM | 0 recs
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Lieberman votes "yes" for torture.  Just as you would expect.

This wasn't even a cloture-vote dodge.  It was an outright vote for passage.

Thirty two out of forty three (32/43) Senate Dems voted no.

by ChetEdModerate 2006-09-28 06:09PM | 0 recs
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May God damn the 11

by antiHyde 2006-09-28 06:43PM | 0 recs
yeah, right

I'm sure thousands of Conn. voters know what the hell "Pajamas Media" is.  Matt, sometimes you epitomize someone who thinks the liberal blogosphere is the country at large.  As someone once said more or less, "Do not mistake the London coffeehouse [us] for the rest of the kingdom."  Unless Lamont gets off his ass and ties Joe to Iraq every damn day, he's done for.  Lieberman sickens me, but the spin on Lamont's status around blog world could cause a tornado.

by tuffie 2006-09-28 03:49PM | 0 recs
Now here's a different look at it

Maybe there is more to the interview then I have seen.  The statement you shared, "I can forgive ... but I probably won't forget," hardly seems like throwing democrats under the bus.  Especially considering he was thrown under the bus by the Democratic Party.  

He disagrees on one issue and the once VP candidate isn't supported in the primaries by his own party.  I realize you guys all love the other billionaire Ned Lamont, but Lieberman has been a good Democrat.  

I admire his independent streak and I think America is screaming for it.  The more you vilify Lieberman the more of the public you push away from your ideas.   If a third party candidate where ever to win the Presidency again, I can see that candidate being Joe Lieberman.  He would take a good chunk of the Democratic Party voters with him too.  

In another recent interview he said something to the effect of "I am now free to say what I am thinking."  Sounds like the kind of politician I can stand behind.  

Please don't hate me; I just am not a Ned Lamont Fan.  You are so wrong about it not being a good wasn't a move at all.  It is how any normal person would re-act to his friends and colleagues not supporting his campaign...Forgive, but not forget.

by Classical Liberal 2006-09-28 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Now here's a different look at it

Yes, a great Democrat who voted to throw out habeas corpus, voiding some 800 years of English-speaking history.

by antiHyde 2006-09-28 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Now here's a different look at it

Sorry I don't buy into the hype.  Your slogon sounds good on paper, but where the rubber meets the road is kind of fizzles.  I understand where you are coming from though - just think differently about it.

by Classical Liberal 2006-09-28 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Now here's a different look at it

Let's see. He takes democratic party support by cajoling his colleagues to support him, yet he refuses to abide by the sprit of the primary, he badmouths his party in the days after the election by complaining about the divisiveness and the lack of tolerance for his views despite the fact that this hypocrite was intolerant of the views of some people in his own party's views regarding Iraq just months ago. He is always quick to blame the left of the party for being on the fringe (hell, not only did he bash Lamont for taking Sharpton's support but for taking Maxine Waters support too.). But the same guy has no problem basking in the praise of extremists like Sean Hannity and Coulter.

And how ungrateful is he to Dodd? If Dodd was doing his job, he would have expressed a stronger support for Lamont instead of the perfunctory polite endorsement he gave. And he supported Lieberman during the primary. And is this the thanks he gets from Lieberman? I understand Lieberman's pique at Gore.

Also answer me this. Explain Lieberman's conduct during the primary where he betrayed Kerry and told some Florida voters that Bush has been a great president for Israel and, i forget the exact words, but may have said he was better for Israel than Kerry. Is this excusable? And does this not show that Lieberman was supporting a wretched president over just one issue at the expense of the liberal issues he votes for? Yet he wants us to remember his self proclaimed 98% liberal scorecard and forget the Iraq war blunder he made?

by Pravin 2006-09-28 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Now here's a different look at it

Please don't hate me; I just am not a Ned Lamont Fan.

Certainly your right.  You can hate the guts of a decent, intelligent, honest, patriotic businessman in favor of a dishonest, vituperative, backstabbing, vicious winger as you choose.

Lieberman is proof that the usual ratings are worthless.  From telling women who have been raped they can take a taxi to another hospital if they wish to prevent possible pregnancy to voting for torture and illegal imprisonment of any suspected of being enemies of the state, Lieberman has not shown himself to be a "good Democrat."  At least not in any Democratic Party I want to be in.

Best,  Terry  

by terryhallinan 2006-09-29 03:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Now here's a different look at it

Once again everything revolves around Bush for you.  The focus is not on what is best for the country, but how to regain power.

This BS of believing the rethoric instead of discussing the issues gets old.  Maybe I am missing something, tell me your specific problems with the Military Commissions Act of 2006

Regurgatating the same old "voting for torture" stuff is really mind numbing.

by Classical Liberal 2006-09-29 05:32AM | 0 recs
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Point of information:  When you say "right wing billionaire backed blog outlet" to whom specifically do you refer?  I haven't heard anything along these lines.  I saw a moronic comment posting at: s/individual/2005_11/007582.php

Could that be your "source" for this information?  From the outside, Pajamas Media looks like a "for profit" venture to me.  However, maybe you know something that I don't.  You are a big time inside dude.

By the way, please, please, please, please don't let it be "Scaife".  You've got that guy working too hard.

The funny thing is that Forbes just came out this week with the annual list.  Here's what it looks like in reality land:

One lonely Scaife - $ 1.2 B

Soros                - $ 8.5 B
Haim Saban           - $ 2.8 B
Peter Lewis          - $ 1.4 B
Marc Rich            - $ 1.5 B
Steven Spielberg     - $ 2.9 B
Jerry Perenchio      - $ 3.0 B
Pierre Omidyar       - $ 7.7 B
David Geffen         - $ 4.6 B

..and so on. Total: $32.4 B --> 27 times as much!

by sorrowpity 2006-09-28 07:00PM | 0 recs
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Oops, I forgot Ron Burkle  -  $2.5 B.

That makes $34.9 billion delicious demo dollars; and counting.  Scaife can't hold a candle to the big men of social justice and equality.

by sorrowpity 2006-09-28 07:30PM | 0 recs
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Why just to conclusions? We should wait to see what happens in the near future. This could be something very well thought of and we can fall into a trap. They say one thing at the television and in real life they do another thing. We should all be careful.

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