George Allen's Credibility Problem

As Matt notes in the previous post, Salon's Michael Scherer did some top-notch reporting on Sen. George Allen's background and finds some rather disturbing facts out of his past -- specifically, that former teammates of Allen's remember the Senator having harbored some seriously racist feelings during his time on the University of Virginia football team in the 1970s. As Scherer notes, Allen opened the door to such an examination by claiming during a recent debate that he learned from playing football that race did not matter.

By contrast, Allen has pointed to a different lesson from his days of football playing in recent public statements. On "Meet the Press," he said his football career was an experience that taught him racial tolerance. "I grew up in a football family, as you well know, and my parents and those teams taught me a lot," Allen said on the program. "And one of the things that you learn in football is that you don't care about someone's race or ethnicity or religion."

Scherer goes through and makes a fairly compelling case that Sen. Allen was being extremely disingenuous is his description of his football years. You can read selections from Scherer's article below in Matt's post or check the whole piece out at the link above, but suffice it to say that Allen's claims are not backed up in reality.

This was not the first time in recent weeks that Allen has been caught misleading voters and the press. We all know, of course, about Allen's shifting definition of "macaca," the racially insensitive term he used to denigrate a 20 year-old supporter of Democrat Jim Webb. Additionally, questions about Allen's credibility were raised in the wake of his response to a debate questioner who asked him if his mother was of Jewish origin.  As The Washington Post's Michael D. Shear subsequently reported, Allen's response was factually incorrect -- and he knew it.

Allen's heritage became an issue in the Virginia Senate campaign Monday, when television reporter Peggy Fox raised it at a televised debate in front of 600 business executives in Fairfax County. Allen repeated what he has said in the past: "My mother's French-Italian with a little Spanish blood in her. And I was raised as she was, as far as I know, raised as a Christian."

In fact, Allen had just recently learned about their Jewish roots when he made those comments. Allen declined to comment, but his mother said she had sworn him to secrecy.

As bad as the debate over whether George Allen is racist has been for both his ability to win reelection this year and his chances at securing the Republican presidential nomination in four years, Allen's exposure as a politician willing to say anything -- including statements he knows to be untrue -- to get elected are quite problematic. Though voters might forgive Allen for what appears to be a past rife in racism (voters' forgiveness far from assured, but it is possible), it's not clear that they will forgive someone who has repeatedly lied to them during this campaign. Certainly the media will not. And as more sticky situations arise during this campaign, as they seem likely to given all that has happened in the past couple months, a candidate with a track record of dissembling and a campaign staff that won't answer reporters phone calls (Scherer writes, "Chris LaCivita, a consultant to the Allen campaign, hung up when a Salon reporter reached him mid-afternoon Sunday") isn't going to gave such an easy time spinning back into control or regaining the confidence and trust of voters.

Tags: 2008, George Allen, Senate 2006, VA-Sen (all tags)

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Re: George Allen's Credibility Problem

The deer head in the black family's mailbox is the worst.  There is a lot of people who have said nigger but the "Deer Head In Mailbox" (DHIM) club is both small and exotic.  Its so horribly graphic also.  Love to see a 527 run with this one.

by swampdredger 2006-09-24 07:23PM | 0 recs
I know it really sticks in your memory.

You hear someone said the N-word 30 years ago and it's not too surprising.  But the dear head thing is just crazy.  People are going to remember that.  

by delmoi 2006-09-24 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I know it really sticks in your memory.

You'd think, given this guys stellar memory, that he'd remember where the house was.

by Jerome Armstrong 2006-09-25 01:38AM | 0 recs
Why we need conservative Democrats to win Congress

Allen and the GOP desperately need to counter-attack, and it's hard to attack a guy running Ronald Reagan ads.

Webb is a conservative. Do not delude yourselves otherwise. He is not going to win by "mobilizing the base" alone; he is going to win by holding Democratic men who usually cross over and bringing some Republicans back the other direction.

I am as happy as anybody to see Allen stepping on his cock, but against any other Democrat, the standard "just like Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton" attack would save his job.

Webb is running an excellent campaign, and good campaigns make the other campaign look like a bad campaign.

by stevehigh 2006-09-24 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why we need conservative Democrats to win Cong

One thing is sure, all this has pretty much sunk his national hopes.  Note in the recent Des Moines Register poll they don't even ask about him as a presidential hopeful.  

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=2006609240335

BTW, nice job no one on the site getting distracted like I was by this poll.  Staying focused on 06, very good.

by Orlando 2006-09-25 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: George Allen's Credibility Problem

I have a huge problem with the Salon article.  Two of the three accusers are "anonymous" sources, which  feel no credible journalist uses.  You can make up all kinds of shit under the guise of "anonymous" sources and it lacks credibility.  Especially when 7 other teammates say Allen didn't use the words.

So in other words, you have one guy saying Allen said these nasty things in college.  Nobody else is stepping up, but it gets reported.  I would feel much better if the anonymous sources could be identified.

by HoosierJosh 2006-09-24 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: George Allen's Credibility Problem

The point I made (at somewhat greater length!) on the other thread.

A comparable piece of 'journalism' about a fave Dem candidate would have brought a torrent of outrage and derision from the lefty sphere.

by skeptic06 2006-09-24 07:54PM | 0 recs
Couldn't Agree More

While this is another little bit of evidence, I'm troubled that this is based on 2 anonymous sources--but at least one person went on the record. Let's hope he doesn't have an axe to grind against Allen or anything.

Not that I don't think Allen is a racist but these things need to be well-sourced.

by MNPundit 2006-09-24 10:17PM | 0 recs
Huh?

What are you talking about, you see anonymous sourcing all the time.  It's not like the journalist doesn't know who they are.

They have one nonymous source and two anonymous once to back up the first.

by delmoi 2006-09-24 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Huh?

I may only have been a journalism minor, but basing a story on one named source and several "anonymous" sources belongs in the Robert Novak school of journalism.  It doesn't belong in mainstream press.

I think what's most disturbing to me is that there are 10 people who said they don't remember Allen ever using racist terms, one person saying he did and two anonymous people agreeing with that one.

What if Robert Novak wrote something similar about someone on our side?  We'd be eviscerating him for not identifying sources (like with the Plame case, right?).

by HoosierJosh 2006-09-25 03:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Huh?

Obviously I am less troubled about this than you are, of course this belongs in the mainstream press, sloppy journalism is what the mainstream press DOES. There are a couple of reasons why other people might not remember Allen using racist terms:

1)As the anon. sources said in the story, they are scared of Allen
2)They want Allen to win and know that if they say he was a racist he might not
3)They honestly don't recall because nigger was in more widespread use there 30 years ago so it didn't strike them as surprising
4)They're racists themselves

Does this make the story more credible? Not particularly. But there's also no reason at this point to believe this story is false and considering the other evidence we have for Allen being a racist (flag of rebellion, nooses, that annoying picture, etc.) I'm willing to go along with the idea of this story.

It's sloppy journalism but there's no reason to believe it's a crafted hit piece.

by MNPundit 2006-09-25 05:27AM | 0 recs
Lieing about racism is like lieing about a blowjob

It's being a racist that's a problem, but I think people are generally forgiving if a politician lies about some personal issue like being a closet racist, or a closet gay, or a blowjob or whatever.

So if racism didn't bother me, I wouldn't care.  Now, obviously racism does bother me, and I wouldn't vote for a racist.

And I mean if I were a racist, I would have to lie about it all the time, so I would understand a politician doing it.

by delmoi 2006-09-24 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: George Allen's Credibility Problem

Now, obviously racism does bother me, and I wouldn't vote for a racist.

Are you certain of that?

Absolutely certain?

Studies of ancestral DNA are revealing racial history that is antithetical to popular legends.  This one has totally unexpected results with hilarious overtones:

Myths of British ancestry

Everything you know about British and Irish ancestry is wrong. Our ancestors were Basques, not Celts. The Celts were not wiped out by the Anglo-Saxons, in fact neither had much impact on the genetic stock of these islands

Stephen Oppenheimer

Stephen Oppenheimer's books "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story" and "Out of Eden: The Peopling of the World" are published by Constable & Robinson

The fact that the British and the Irish both live on islands gives them a misleading sense of security about their unique historical identities. But do we really know who we are, where we come from and what defines the nature of our genetic and cultural heritage? Who are and were the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish and the English? And did the English really crush a glorious Celtic heritage?

Everyone has heard of Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings. And most of us are familiar with the idea that the English are descended from Anglo-Saxons, who invaded eastern England after the Romans left, while most of the people in the rest of the British Isles derive from indigenous Celtic ancestors with a sprinkling of Viking blood around the fringes.

Yet there is no agreement among historians or archaeologists on the meaning of the words "Celtic" or "Anglo-Saxon." What is more, new evidence from genetic analysis indicates that the Anglo-Saxons and Celts, to the extent that they can be defined genetically, were both small immigrant minorities. Neither group had much more impact on the British Isles gene pool than the Vikings, the Normans or, indeed, immigrants of the past 50 years...

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/artic le_details.php?id=7817

Not only do we Irish have to contend with claims we are related to the bloody English but are descended from the hated Basques. The luck of the Irish has always been bad.  That's why we drink so much. :-)

For any that don't know it, the Basques occupy a pivotal place in Nazi mythology.  Those fine theorists have postulated the Basques originated from the imaginary  Atlantis, avoiding the dread African ancestry altogether.  But it would appear the Nordic ideal has a quite different heritage. How horrid it must be to be a white supremacist. So confusing.

Racial terminology, most notably "black" and "white" is full of freight that consists of little more than empty boxes.

Jim Webb has done very well to steer clear of the wreckage George Allen has created for himself.  Let the bastard stew in his own cauldron of hate, I say, and enjoy the show.

At the same time it might be best to be careful of claiming too much virtue for oneself.

Please note, Delmoi, in no way is this meant to be the slightest attack on you.  Hope no one thinks otherwise.

Best,  Terry

by terryhallinan 2006-09-24 11:13PM | 0 recs
Can't wait to see some polling

I hope that someone is polling the VA Senate race this week.  I'd like to see Rasmussen with some numbers.

by dpANDREWS 2006-09-25 07:51AM | 0 recs
overkill

Allen's racial/ethnic (in)sensitivities have been aired sufficiently to make the point. It's beginning to look like overkill or (as the Allen campaign will try to frame it) a vendetta by leftist bloggers.
If this continues, public perceptions of Allen could easily turn from oafish bully to embattled Virginian, a stance that has been cherished, refined and used to win elections since 1865.

The pertinent journalistic descriptive for the Salon piece is "thinly sourced." The story should have been held until the writer could get more on the record. (The black quarterback's nonresponse should be a warning sign. Will he star in the George-Allen-hasn't-got-a-racist-bone-in -his-body TV ad?)
Even fully sourced, the story still fails to overcome the "yeah - so?" hurdle. For a white Southern jock, circa 1972, to use the n-word is about as surprising as a current-day rapper using it.

Poll numbers to watch for will come after 10/1; it will take at least a week for voters to hear and absorb/dismiss/resent this story.

The deer head in the mailbox sounds very creepy, a la "Godfather" I, to many urban types. But the place where this allegedly happened, Bumpass, VA (great name, huh?) is rural and full of hunters. I wouldn't be surprised if the deer head recipient's first reaction weren't to look for the rest of the carcass.
On the other hand, if a toddler discovered the severed head and had screaming nightmares for years afterward, all this is karmatic payback for Allen's ugly and prolonged adolescence.  

by allbetsareoff 2006-09-25 08:50AM | 0 recs

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