In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

Even though Ned Lamont didn't win last night, and watching Lieberman's victory speech was incredibly painful and upsetting, the progressive movement took a big step forward.  We challenged a sitting incumbent, the VP nominee of the party in 2000 and the popular vote winner, and a credible Presidential challenger in 2004 who was leading in the polls until early 2003.  I know it hurts, but that is a big fucking deal.

Ned Lamont's campaign was always a longshot, but the bottom line is that we in the progressive movement took this campaign and made it happen against the wishes of the entire Connecticut and DC machine.  Turnout was not quite what we had hoped it would be, and the machine really turned on the spigot for Lieberman.  There is a large and powerful set of interests that backed Lieberman, and they will fight tooth and nail to make sure that one of their own stays in power.  They won last night, but we're going to keep coming at them, again and again and again.

At the same time, we came up tantalizingly short, and a moral victory isn't the same thing as a victory.  The right-wingers are going to crow over how the liberal blogs keep losing, and insider Democrats are going to continue to say that internet can't turn people out to vote, that it's not real except as a fundraising mechanism.

Still, a two point loss really is amazing, and Senators all over the country are shifting uncomfortably as they wonder whether they might find themselves in a primary campaign as well.  Up until the end, it looked like Lamont had it, which caused a lot of insiders to wet their pants.  And keep in mind that Lieberman pumped around $10M into his campaign, versus around 5M or 6M from Lamont, and had President Clinton and every top surrogate and single-issue group coming in on his side.  If the playing field had been more even, Lieberman's two point victory might have been a loss, and he would have had to activate the Connecticut for Lieberman Party.  We faced a lot of firepower, and we lost, but we didn't fold.

Finally, this is a long-term movement, building from nothing. And we are sending notice to Democrats that they will be challenged if they hew to Bush's failed conservative policies.  So now it's time to unify around the great set of candidates that we have challenging the Republican Congress.

Ned Lamont may have lost to Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut Democratic primary, but the progressive movement had a clear and unequivocal victory.  A moral victory, sure, but they know that we can take a loss, and keep coming.

Also, nyah nyah.

Update: No, this has nothing to do with Diebold. Connecticut uses lever machines.

Tags: Connecticut, CT-Sen, Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont (all tags)

Comments

65 Comments

Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

April 1st arrived late this year, I see.

:-)

by KB 2006-08-09 08:24AM | 0 recs
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Nah, April Fools Day is the media's election day coverage of hoaxes (like "hackers"), which seems to be becoming a tradition

by bernardpliers 2006-08-09 02:46PM | 0 recs
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A moving speech on such a Joementus occasion.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-08-09 08:26AM | 0 recs
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i can't believe i wrote the same piece two days before (only a "what if" premise).

by skippy 2006-08-09 09:45AM | 0 recs
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i can't believe i wrote the same piece two days before (only a "what if" premise).

by skippy 2006-08-09 09:47AM | 0 recs
sorry didn't mean to double post

mia cupla

by skippy 2006-08-09 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: sorry didn't mean to double post

No, what you should have said was "I can't believe I wrote the same post two seconds before"

by Ray Radlein 2006-08-09 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

Brings to mind the realization that we don't use the word "droll" enough anymore.

Very droll, indeed.

Ump.

by Umpteenth 2006-08-09 08:27AM | 0 recs
I like it...

You spent some time writing this, and didn't want it to go to waste, I see.

by NCDem 2006-08-09 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: I like it...

Yeah, it's sort of reminiscent of the statement Eisenhower had ready in case D-Day failed.  

It's a very pleasant reminder that for once at least the good guys are not just trying to spin a defeat.

by DaveMB 2006-08-09 08:32AM | 0 recs
I enjoyed it

Like a good cigar after dismembering a hitchhiker a good meal

by bernardpliers 2006-08-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
Moral Victories - Ptttooiee!

I'm tired of moral victories Matt. I appreciate that you poured your heart into this race and want to see the positives but this devastating loss calls for a realistic reassessment of our losing ideology.

I'd be the first to agree that President Bush has been not only incompetent, but also intentionally destructive of constitutional protections. But Bush was elected and we can't ignore that fact. Senator Lieberman recognizes this and we ignore at our peril that President Bush, although odious, is our President in a time of war. We were justified in wanting Lieberman deposed but perhaps we should have hidden our objections to his coziness with Bush and focused on his embrace of pharmacist conscience laws and his actions in the Schiavo case.

The lesson I take from this is that opposition to the war, although important to us, just isn't going to get Democrats elected. We need to rethink our strategy going forward into November.

by Curt Matlock 2006-08-09 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Moral Victories - Ptttooiee!

I agree.  We need to take Iraq off the table.

by Matt Stoller 2006-08-09 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Moral Victories - Ptttooiee!

I agree, too.  I just placed an order for one of those fancy DLC Auto-Triangulators.  It'll be fun seeing what causes I support and which Democrats I'll undermine as the elections draw near.

by ThomasAllen 2006-08-09 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Moral Victories - Ptttooiee!

But if we take Iraq off the table, there's a very real chance that it will roll under the couch and get lost, especially if the cats start playing with it. And then, by the time we find it again, it will be all sticky with little bits of dust and unrecognizable crumbs all over it.

by Ray Radlein 2006-08-09 08:13PM | 0 recs
Not just the war

What this loss shows us is just a repeat of what we had here in IL-06. We've got to stop trying to divide our party and unite with those in the Beltway who, as Joe's victory proves, know more about the electorate than we do. The more we progressives try to push the party to the left, the more the Republicans will be able to beat us as all we are doing is distroying our party unity.

I'm ashamed for not supporting Joe from the beginning. I'm a bad Democrat.

by michael in chicago 2006-08-09 09:24AM | 0 recs
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Who would have thought six months ago that this could have happened?  Lamont was a frigging fer chrissakes protest candidate with no money, no establishment support, no experience, no chance to win.

And he didn't win, really.  Lieberman LOST it.

Lieberman was the Goliath candidate.  When you're Goliath, you win by being as gracious as possible, trying to keep the condescension out of your voice as you welcome the chance for an amicable primary contest and talk about how Democracy is so wonderful and your little-known opponent has every right to run, and then you swamp him financially with positive, upbeat ads about your record, mentioning the "David" by name barely if ever.  "Goliath" wins popularity contests by being a gentle giant, not by being a brutal bully.

Lieberman didn't do that.  He was Fred Sanford, clutching his chest and yelling "LAMONT! LAMONT!" every chance he got.  He didn't even bother to hide his contempt for the democratic process as he screeched and raged at how this bloody peasant was daring to besmirch the divine right of incumbents.  He publicly insulted not only the "David" but anyone who held "David"s views--which happened to be popular, majority views. And to cap it off, he unveiled his spoiler independent bid, stabbing his own party in the back before he had even had the primary.

It was Lieberman, and not Lamont, who turned this race from nothing into a real contest, and then an upset.

It's the subject of epic tragedies.  If he had been a little less ultracompetitive, he'd be the safe nominee today.  And yet, if he'd been a little more fiercely competitive in 2000, when he was the "David" Candidate, he'd be Vice President today.  His career will stand as an epic warning for politicians for years to come.

by admiralnaismith 2006-08-09 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

no- as someone said over a d kos- Lieberman was the shoe, and Lamont was the ant. Nice to know things aren't hopeless.

by bruh21 2006-08-09 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

C'mon everybody sing!

"Whoops there goes another rubber tree plant!"

by baracon 2006-08-09 09:59AM | 0 recs
And it was breathtaking to witness

Kos got it right yesterday on Hardball, abusing the word incompetent to label Lieberman's campaign.

Lieberman chose the only path to defeat, not preparing for a primary challenge then panicking with negativity once it was there. If he had all but ignored Lamont then used the summer months in a flurry of positive ads, and never hinted at the traitorous indy run, this would have been an annoyingly close 4 point win, not a 4 point loss.

by jagakid 2006-08-09 10:07AM | 0 recs
Oh, aren't you cute

Just had to flush your "draft documents" folder, I see...

by jonweasel 2006-08-09 08:30AM | 0 recs
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You were writing two posts last night and figured "why waste it," huh?

Think somewhere there's a Bush contingency speech saying "because Saddam has complied with all the UN mandates, there's no need to go to war."

Nah, I didn't think so either.

by Bush Bites 2006-08-09 08:39AM | 0 recs
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I contacted all 44 dem senators and had some fun this morning. I need something more to do. What's the raction of the right wing blogosphere? I've read some and they are mostly silent. I gotta listen to Rush to see him whine about how great this is for Repubs.

by Erik 2006-08-09 08:39AM | 0 recs
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Stop these kinds of posts---the snarkiness is annoying, especially the one by Chris last night about MyDD being hacked.  Post real stories, that are true-it's a waste of everyone's time to do otherwise.

by titanrw 2006-08-09 08:43AM | 0 recs
man you must be one boring schmoe

nt

by Teaser 2006-08-09 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Annoying Snarkiness

Stop these kinds of comments. The negativity and lack of humor drains away our souls and provides us with such a dire deficit of joie de vivre that we feel a sudden urge to get drunk, and said drinking interferes with our ability to comment back and refute such types of drivelous rejoinders, booyah.

by Nezua Limon Xoloquinta Jonez 2006-08-09 09:13AM | 0 recs
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You sir, have just published my nightmare.  It gives me the creeps just reading it.

by peter0118 2006-08-09 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

You will probably need this speech - at least about Lieberman - come November.

I don't see how he can lose the general, at this point.  Please convince me that my reasoning below is wrong, since this community is the analytical progressive one.

The voters who voted for Lieberman - and then voters in the general:

a. They already knew that he would run independent.
b. When people commit to a vote, they usually stay committed.
c. That Hilary and Bill Clinton, other members of the establishment will now stump for Ned, won't make that much difference, as it didn't make a difference in electing Ned in the primary.
c. All the other people in the state - who are, and have been, comfortable with Joe - will now have a chance to act on their comfort.

What am I missing in this?

by jc 2006-08-09 08:50AM | 0 recs
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I am also nervous about a 3-way in November, but remember that anti-war sentiment is almost as strong in independents as it is with Dems.  And I would imagine that indys have less loyalty to incumbents like Lieberman than his fellow party members.  This doesn't mean that Lamont will win in November, but remember the recent Q-poll that showed a 3-way race with L and L tied at 40ish percent (granted that poll also showed Lamont up by 13 points in the primary.)

by BBigJ 2006-08-09 08:59AM | 0 recs
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What I hope and believe you are missing is that independent voters tend to go with personality rather than issues.  Rather than supporting Joe as more "moderate" than Lamont and closer to their independent selves, I think they are going to reject Joe as a whiny loser.

Joe's attacks on Lamont have had little traction so far.  I don't think Joe's campaign is very well set up to remind the low-information voter about what they used to like about him.  There is the "delivering for the state" angle, which has some possibilities, but I don't think it's going to beat the simple "Lieberman = Bush" message.

by DaveMB 2006-08-09 09:04AM | 0 recs
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Possibly, although I think that is a thin thread.

Personality cuts both ways - just like Schwarzeneggar in CA - I don't believe people are committed to parties.

So, it is just as possible that:

a.  the people who come out in the general will vote for Lieberman because he has always been there, in addition to not voting for him because he is a "whiny loser"
c. or because he favors the war. Again, say that the independents are 40/60 AGAINST the war.  That leave 40 percent who have no real problem with Lieberman.  And of that 60 percent, there is a far percentage that will vote for Lieberman anyway because of their comfort level with him.
d. If the Republicans don't put up someone good, then you will get all those crossover voters.

So - while I hope you are right that the "whiny loser" will lose Lieberman a lot of votes, the case seem to me to still be stronger for Lieberman.

by jc 2006-08-09 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

Several things:

The poll showing Joe winning a November 3-way was taken before he was beaten at the primary.  People don't back losers as much.

It also fails to account for his now significant disadvantage in endorsements, fundraising and volunteers.  He was already paying for his ground game, now he won't have the unions, NARAL and the Sierra Club onside to help.  

Most establishment Dems will not be campaigning for him.  Even centrists like Dodd have endorsed Lamont.  Hillary did not campaign for Lieberman, and in fact pledged to support the primary winner ahead of time.

If Joe shows any signs of taking money from the right, or caucusing with the Republicans, he will be toast.  He will have proven Lamont right that he is a turn-coat DINO.  If he doesn't take their help, his campaign will be hurting for funding.

If Joe has any loyalty left to the Democratic party, they will prevail on him to withdraw.  He's hurt right now, but over time he may come to accept this and understand why it happened.  

by scientician 2006-08-09 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

I hope you are right - and a very good point about the lack of funding he will have - that may make the difference - because those democrats who voted for him in the primary, may be moved to change their vote, if he is taking funding from republican sources.

"most establishment dems will not be campaigning for him".

As I said, it didn't make a difference in the primary (when those establishment dems were pushing for Lieberman instead of Ned) so I don't see how it will make a difference in the general.  

by jc 2006-08-09 09:27AM | 0 recs
Also...

...where will he get the money for the ground game he had last night? He had over 2000 paid staff,  he had vans, he had the Unions with him.

He won't have the Unions, the vans were rented, the paid ground troops still need to be paid how much money does he have left?

Besides if the rumors are true, and he does accept Rove and Bush's help, he will be torpedo'd with Dems. Besides, a sizable chunk of primary voters 40%, said they wouldn't vote for Joe if he switched parties so his Dem vote totals are all ready down.

We'll have to see but I think Lieberman has an uphill battle unless he switches parties to R and that will be a whole NEW set of problems.

by MNPundit 2006-08-09 10:09AM | 0 recs
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Regarding endorsements:

- this race was much closer than it would have been without those endorsements, Clinton's, at least.
- Joe didn't/couldn't capitalize effectively on those endorsements. Ned Lamont's people seem to be quite a bit sharper and definitely more enthusiastic.

Lieberman had every opportunity to close the deal and he couldn't do it in the primary. Now he goes into the general without the party, without unions, without any 'moderate' support, and with the stigma of having been a loser, and a sore loser at that.

by lightyearsfromhome 2006-08-09 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory
Sure, there's an easy way to see Lamont winning the general, with Joe as the republican spoiler.
  • - Lamont seems to have motivated a lot of people to register (I heard 10,000 joined the Dems for the election).
  • - Lieberman splits the demoralized Republican vote, loses the independent vote, which is against the war, and loses the Democratic vote, which will punch the "D" for a reliable 80% in every case.
  • - I think the Democrats are going to go heavier for Lamont than usual, because they'll be angry at Lieberman not honoring the primary results. 65% are already claiming they were voting AGAINST Lieberman in the primary. The independent run makes it worse for Lieberman.
  • - Independents DON'T win when there are candidates from the two parties - mostly because the two parties will bury them in fund-raising.

Look for an easy 50% Lamont, 30% Republican, 20% Lieberman result -- indeed , look for Lieberman to withdraw for lack of funds in about 45 days..
by mesquite 2006-08-09 09:24AM | 0 recs
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I guess the the major X factor is, what are the chances that a democrat who has voted FOR Lieberman, will change their vote come the general?  Since the votery participation is so large - 40% in the primary? - it makes sense that the 52-48 split will be the same for democrats - IF PEOPLE WHO VOTED AND WERE FOR LIEBERMAN don't change their minds.

My assumption is that people who are committed to a candidate won't change their minds - similar to democrats who crossover and vote for Schwarzenegger.

If someone knows of some historical examples where people who voted for a particular candidate in a primary, then went ahead and changed in the general, that would be appreciated.

by jc 2006-08-09 09:33AM | 0 recs
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Straight ticket voters, right away, will lead to some folks who voted for Lieberman in the  primary voting for Lamont in the general.

The exit polls suggest that antipathy of the indy bid will drive others.

Most local Dem machines will be handing out ballots and buttons with Lamont's name, which will also help.

Plus, there's no reason to assume the 52-48 ratio will apply to general election voters. More Dem voters will show up in the general than in the primary. They may well be motivated by all of the above to push the ratio even more in Lieberman's favor.

Plus plus, there's the theory that - I think - Chris put out last year. The more Lieberman actually campaigns, the less people like him. So he has another 90+ days to turn voters off.

by Dave Thomer 2006-08-09 09:58AM | 0 recs
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I think a good historical parallel might be the Javits-D'Amato NY senate race in 1980.

Al D'Amato came out of nowhere and won the primary; Jacob Javits (the incumbent) was extremely angry and continued running anyway -- which, as it happens, is easier in NY because there are these other parties (in this case, the Liberal and Conservative Parties) that have pre-reserved ballot lines ready to go, and while they usually just waste them on the major party candidates, they can decide not to pretty much at the last minute).

Javits ended up with 11% of the vote.

by wrog 2006-08-09 10:20AM | 0 recs
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jc, you say, "My assumption is that people who are committed to a candidate won't change their minds" ?  What about all the Dem politicos who endorsed Lieberman before the primary, and switched their support to Lamont afterward, for the general election?  You think Dem voters won't make the same switch, for the same reasons?

by Raven 2006-08-09 07:33PM | 0 recs
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1) A lot of Dems who voted for Joe are actual Democrats. They will vote for Lamont.

  1. Joe's number among Indys are nearly as bad as his numbers with Dems.
  2. Joe will have ZERO ground game, except for mercenaries and possibly Republicans.
  3. Joe needs to go negative against Lamont, but he doesn't really have anything to go negative with since Lamont has no political record.
  4. Joe's fighting an anti-incumbency tidal wave.
  5. A lot of folks STILL don't know who Ned Lamont is. He will get WAY more exposure now. That's good.
  6. Joe has reversed himself on Bush. He has misrepresented himself on social security. These flip-flops undermine his key strength-- his supposed honesty/morality/principles.
  7. Joe STILL hasn't given Ned any credit, not has he changed his arrogant behavior. It will continue to be a turn-off.
  8. A key Joe strength was that he was so popular, so invincible. Joe is a proven loser now. That makes people ask questions.

I'm nervous, but I'm not scared. If I had to bet on one side or the other, I'd still bet on Ned. Joe's got the numbers now, but he's also flying against the wind.

by alteran 2006-08-09 10:00AM | 0 recs
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Good well-argued points - I hope you are correct.  I suppose the main thing now is keep pushing.  Stoller's recent post on turnout is a decent pointer for the how-to on this.

by jc 2006-08-09 10:13AM | 0 recs
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Two time loser, in fact.  He lost as a VP candidate.  Heck, he pretty much threw that election.  Come November, it'll be strike three, and Joementum's going to be out.

by libdevil 2006-08-09 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Drum...

Good post - thanks for the pointer.

by jc 2006-08-09 10:12AM | 0 recs
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What are you missing?  

a) The vote in the primary is the upper bound of Joe's support in the general, not the expected value.  

b) Many people support primary candidates and rally around the party's nominee in the general election.
(I dare say that's how the system works almost all of the time.)

c) The Clintons didn't help Lieberman.  It doesn't follow that they are without influence whatsoever.  

d) Joe Lieberman was a Democratic Senator, not a "Republican + Independent" Senator.  He just lost his base.  "Independents comfortable with Lieberman" aren't going to cut it.

Basically you're wrong on every point you make.

by RickD 2006-08-10 05:48AM | 0 recs
Check this out...

www.connecticutforlieberman.com/

Poor Joe's campaign dropped another proverbial ball - didn't register for the domain name of the party that he is allegedly running under. Absolute comedy whoever did this

by mdp4d 2006-08-09 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Check this out...

That's so cool...  Thanks.

by prince myshkin 2006-08-09 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

If this had been the way it turned out, we would've taken a licking and kept on ticking, as the Timex commercials used to say.

But all the moral victories in the world don't boost morale half as much as one real victory.  And this was one we badly needed - not so much because we needed a win, but we by God needed this win.

If we're going to change this country through the institution of the Democratic Party (and it's not like there are any alternatives right now), cutting loose the sea anchor named Joe Lieberman was an absolute necessity.  He was just a constant drag on the party's efforts at coherence - the last man to come around on Social Security, a sure vote against cloture on anything important, the guy who ensured that the Gang of Fourteen would never find any nominee to be filibuster-worthy, the guy who continually attacked and undercut his own party almost every time he got on television.

Now the Democrats of the Nutmeg State have said he doesn't represent our party anymore.  Even if by some miracle Joe's independent campaign pulled out a win in November, he still wouldn't be a Democrat; he still wouldn't speak for our party.

Thank you, Connecticut Democrats, for stripping Joe Lieberman of his right to say he represents our party.  We owe you, big time.

by RT 2006-08-09 08:58AM | 0 recs
As Kos pointed out, win or lose, MSM says we lose.

But I'd much rather "lose" this way, if it's all the same to Joementum and everybody else.

by MeanBoneII 2006-08-09 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: As Kos pointed out, win or lose, MSM says we l

Losing this way feels a lot better than merely bending over and taking another 6 years with Senator Lieberman (D-CT).

If it has to be (I-CT), then so be it.  Gives Fox News less juicy quotes to use against us, and an easy response when he does slag the party:

Any Dem:  "Yes, but Joe Lieberman was rejected by the Democratic party in a primary election.  Thus, his criticism now is just sour grapes."

by scientician 2006-08-09 09:28AM | 0 recs
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IN a small bit of news: KARL ROVE OFFERS TO HELP JOE LIEBERMAN!

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-08-09 09:14AM | 0 recs
Priceless n/t

by Bruce Godfrey 2006-08-09 09:14AM | 0 recs
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Why Joe will lose, if he doesn't drop out first.

1. No money. This alone is enough,

  1. No support.
  2. Republicans will vote for a Republican.
  3. "Looserman"- nobody likes a looser.

I give him two weeks, then he will withraw for the good of the Party. My only hope is that if he continuies to try pulling a Nader, he is expelled from the Democratic Party. Let him go to Fox and suck up to Bus on Murdoch's payroll, not ours.

by tol 2006-08-09 09:19AM | 0 recs
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5. Previously Lieberman was the incumbent Democratic candidate.  Now Lamont is the (only) Democratic candidate, the people's choice.  Prominent Democrats who'd endorsed Lieberman have already switched their endorsements to Lamont accordingly.  Expect many CT-Dem voters to do the same.

by Raven 2006-08-09 07:28PM | 0 recs
The Lamont Campaign Should Have Listened To Me!

Ya know, I've been pestering them for months to get them to make 9/11 Truth part of their platform. I said, "I know it takes guts, but your opponent is close with the PNAC regime, and many people are catching on, this will be the issue that guarantees your man will be a winner, AND you will help bring the justice that the souls of the victims have waited in purgatory so long for... But they just ignored me every time. So, last night I got really loaded, I've just waked up, and this concession article is the first clue that Ned lost. This sucks! But now, the rest of you need to get busy with Truth before there is more damage done. Oh, my aching head...

by lakezoarian 2006-08-09 09:54AM | 0 recs
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Stoller, you bastard. I nearly lost my lunch reading that.

Nyah Nyah...

m/ m/

by matbiscan 2006-08-09 10:30AM | 0 recs
So how's this work now, anyway?

Bill, Hillary, Reid, Biden, Schumer et al. stumped for Joe against Ned in the primary. Now they're going to stump for Ned against Joe? Now THAT's going to look real principled. Doh!

by stlkaper 2006-08-09 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: So how's this work now, anyway?

You support the party first, that's how.  

All the people you mention recognize that there was a primary last night and are abiding by its outcome.

Accepting the rules instead of changing them halfway through IS principled.

But, of course, you knew that.

by howie14 2006-08-09 11:07AM | 0 recs
Good one. BUT, not totally wrong?
How big a win is 52-48?
I was sort of hoping for a blowout even tho most people didn't think that would happen. Seems to me Ned beat an incompetent, smug, phoney, liar, Bush apologist, and a millionaire with a $15 a month web site to support his campaign for the US senate. Granted Joe had Clinton, Boxer, and the DLC doing the pc thing and supporting Joe and Ned is to be commended for a 52-48 win. However, my feeling is that Lamont has to get up to a new level.  He is in the big leagues now and apparently Rove is coming.
by cj51 2006-08-09 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Good one. BUT, not totally wrong?

Rove hasn't exactly had the Midas touch lately... consider me not tremendously scared.

by bobestes 2006-08-09 02:14PM | 0 recs
Margin of victory

I think anything over 2% is solid. No recounts, no muttering about court challenges. 7 would have been almost a landslide. 4% is excellent.

Remember, all of Joe's union support is going to vanish because he's splitting that party, and outfit like the Sierra Club won't push his hard turn to the right.

by bernardpliers 2006-08-09 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

if by democratic establishment, you mean that harpy maxine waters, i will gladly stay in the moderate/mainstream mode....thank you very much.

by epic610 2006-08-09 01:19PM | 0 recs
Win = return to 1972

Okay, since we did win, let's do what the pundits predicted would happen: Bring back McGovern's liberal campaign points from 1972.

* Unilateral withdrawal from the [Iraq] War in exchange for the return of American prisoners of war.

* Amnesty for draft evaders who have left the country.

* 37% reduction in defense spending over three years.

* Ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment.

Hmm, except for better control of defense spending, the points just don't sound as relevant to 2006.

Ironically, in creating this comment, I also found this January 2006 article on the American Conservative web site, Come Home, America: Liberals need another George McGovern--and perhaps conservatives do too.  It's a good read.

by sawgrass727 2006-08-09 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Win = return to 1972

Don't you think it's strange that there have been 50 general elections in the past century, and the only one that pundits seem to care about with any regularity is 1972?

by RickD 2006-08-10 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: In Losing, We Won Another Moral Victory

Brilliant, Matt.  Brilliant.

Perhaps we will have calls to start a third party about all this!

by Dumbo 2006-08-09 03:43PM | 0 recs

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