DLC Disavows Case And Other Things

In response to my piece from this past Saturday on how the political and media establishment are hypocritically attacking Lamont's primary challenge to Lieberman but staying quiet on conservative primary challenges to incumbent Senators in Hawaii and Rhode Island, Ed Kilgore of the DLC writes the followingThis is the third time Chris has made this argument, and after the second one, I did a response making it clear that the DLC has nothing at all to do with Case's challenge to Akaka, which is, best I can tell, mainly about Akaka's advanced age (81) and the possibility that he could be replaced at some point during the next six years by a Republican apointee. The rationale for Case's candidacy is not one for the squeamish, to be sure, but it certainly does not reflect some sort of national centrist "purge" of Akaka, whom I barely knew anything about until I started reading that I was apparently involved in a plot to drive him from office. OK, the DLC has sworn off support of Case, who they list as a member of their caucus. I wonder if he knows that. Looking back at their earlier response to an earlier post of mine, I noticed that the DLC has sworn off quite a few other things as well:Aside from the fact that the DLC doesn't raise money or endorse candidates or recruit volunteers, I'm quite sure nobody at the DLC was more than dimly aware of the Case challenge to Akaka, which is apparently more about Akaka's age than anything to do with ideology. OK, so the DLC does not endorse, recruit or support candidates. I take them at their word and expect them to stay neutral in all Democratic primaries nationwide. Further, they don't raise money? Really? How do they operate? I'm just going to assume that they mean that they don't raise money or recruit volunteers for candidates. So they seem to have sworn off support for any candidate ever.

This is a passage that really caught my eye though: I respect Chris Bowers, but this time he's missing a very basic point. The DLC is not arguing against the right to "primary" incumbents; if Connecticut Democrats want to replace Joe Lieberman with Ned Lamont or anybody else, that's fine by me. It's the national effort to dump Joe, evidenced by the heavy involvement of national organizations like MoveOn and Democracy for America, that's objectionable. And as Chris knows, much of the progressive blogosphere is nearly as obsessed with the Lamont candidacy as it is with delivering a Democratic Congress this November, for reasons that have zippo to do with the vindication of the sovereign rights of Connecticut Democrats to choose whomever they want. First, I want to say that I respect Ed Kilgore as well (Marshall Whitman is a different story altogether). However, if I am to take his words to their logical conclusion, it would appear that the DLC is not only not actually supporting Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont, but that they are opposed to the idea that any candidates receive any resources or help from people who live outside of their district. That is fine. On a pure democracy level, it is a position that makes some sense. However, I don't know a single federal candidate that follows this philosophy, including Joe Lieberman.

Joe Lieberman has raised 79.6% of his money in this election cycle from out of state donors. Unless Lieberman returns all of that money, will the DLC now decry the national effort on behalf of Lieberman to thwart the sovereign rights of Connecticut Democrats to choose whomever they want? Interestingly, Ned Lamont has actually raised a far great percentage of his money in state than Lieberman, simply because Lamont is significantly self-funded.

Also, I noticed that the DLC is based in Washington, D.C.. Will they cease to write about any election that does not take place within Washington, D.C., because that usurps the rights of people living outside of D.C.? Of course not, and they should not have to. People can write about whatever election they want.

There isn't a single major Senate candidate who raises his or her money entirely in state. The same goes for House candidates. Everyone receives large out-of-district help. There is nothing wrong with claiming that such out-of-district support is a bad thing, but there is something wrong with claiming that it is bad for one candidate and not another. Lieberman gets almost all of his funds from outside of Connecticut. Why is this somehow OK for Lieberman, but not OK for Lamont? That is a double standard.

The best blogging on the Connecticut Senate primary is coming form local Connecticut blogs. The volunteers we helped recruit are overwhelmingly from Connecticut. Lamont is raising more money in state than Lieberman. The voters of Connecticut will decide who wins the election. Unless I am mistaken, I believe that most of Lamont's staff comes form Connecticut as well. Lamont is running a campaign every bit as local, if not more local, than Lieberman. If people want to decry national movements providing resources and help to primary campaigns in local districts, that is fine. However, at least be consistent. Decry all out of district assistance, and then practice what you preach by not commenting on primaries taking place outside of the district where you live.

Tags: Activism, CT-Sen, DLC, Fundraising (all tags)

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Re: DLC Disavows Case And Other Things

I agree with you overall, but it's silly to say Lamont is raising more money in Connecticut than Lieberman, if you're counting Lamont's contributions to his own campaign.  I mean, come on, that's just laughable and you don't need to tarnish your credibility by making such a claim.

by snaktime 2006-07-11 09:19AM | 0 recs
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It would be laughable to regard self-finance as another other than in-state money.  

by RickD 2006-07-11 11:10AM | 0 recs
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Well you can't call it out-of-state money, that would be lying. (and even more "silly")

by BentLiberal 2006-07-11 11:30AM | 0 recs
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I don't understand why Kilgore has a problem with the national scope of the effort to unseat Lieberman.  Surely he can grasp the fact that Democratic voters in Minnesota or California or elsewhere are interested in the philosophical direction of their party.  Lieberman is in a highly visible and important position, and his actions greatly affect the fortunes of the Party.

Given that we live in the Internet age, Kilgore is being pretty naive to think that there wouldn't be a broader co-ordinated effort by the netroots to impact the Connecticut race.  Defeating Lieberman will send a shock wave through the DLC.  It will be the first notice that the progressives are serious about a major overhaul of the Democratic Party.

by global yokel 2006-07-11 09:23AM | 0 recs
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Is this about status, really? The DLC has been an horrific failure for the past two election cycles, turning the entireity of United States government over to the GOP

With friends like the DLC, who needs enemies?

Lamont and Lieberman are battling for a position in the party that amounts to a de-facto leadership position. Sen. Joe Lieberman, being both a Vice Presidential Candidate, and a former Presidential Candidate - holds a strong voice in the party. The democratic party normally elects and follows the leadership of the party, by following he who won the presidency or some other major statesmans battle.  This is how the Democratic party accomplishes its loose form of democracy. The republican party doesn't even bother with trying: they are a hierarchy controlled by corporations, and lobbyists.

There is alot of posturing behind the scenes as best as I can tell, while everyone is trying to get a piece of the money that the consultants will tell you has to be spent.

Lamont is being pulled forward by relatively frugal means (And his own bootstraps - snaktime is right to criticize how you got at your numbers, but then again, my husband tells me you are an english major and not a math guy any way so we'll ignore your constant attempts to be a numbers guy) - a means , that as best as I can see amounts to getting the grassroots behind him because it was the grassroots who led the way to where his positions are standing now.

I wonder, as I read this - if in fact the real problem is that the DLC is getting very sensitive about earmarks and the process of working with earmarks that has caused lobbyist expenditure to skyrocket 300 percent in the last 2 years.  Washingtonians, and organizations like the DLC who think the sun rises and sets in Washington alone - should properly get comfortable getting paid not to understand the problem.

When my husband (turnerbroadcasting) and I decided to throw our names in the hat for moveon.org, back in the day when it was all about censure of bill clinton - a grassroots effort to hammer bill for not being able to keep it in his pants - it was really about restoring democracy.

What I think is really neat is not that the DLC can moan and complain about national grassroots movements, because this is a force that disenfranchises the process that put them in power and is heightening their power even as we speak

My thoughts, in fact, return to my home state of Georgia - where we are completely languishing. Our primary is in one Week. It seems as though we have been completely forgotten, however, I wanted to tell you that since the Democratic party lost both senate seats, a majority of house seats - and was destroyed inthe 2004 elections by almst 7 to 3 - that if the gubernatorial race is lost over here, the democratic party will not be back for 30 years.

Connecticut on the other hand is a safely democratic state.

Are we playing to win, by focussing on Lamont? Sure, in some sense. The GOP down here is almost toxic now. They are trying things that nobody would believe - they even have someone down here that wants to run on the ten commandments; turn back the constitutional right to free speech, and adamantly support George W. Bush in everything he does including rigging elections, pushing voters out of the booths, and siphoning off money from the federal government in the form of no bid contracts.

We win that war, by winning a war of ideas. Newt Gingrich works overtime down here trying to convince people that the "Secular-left liberals" are the problem. The GOP is the problem. Lieberman is an apologist for them.

But that said, I think its still a mistake not to call attention to the fact that the legislation that was supposed to power down organizations like the DLC (the anti-earmark legislation) was quietly killed off by democrats and republicans together who , just like Joe, were really a symptom of the greater disease of corruption and corporate control of nearly every institution in America.

The DLC isn't worried about Joe, they're worried about the buying power of small donors. And it seems, nobody is worried about winning Georgia.. sigh... they are predicting an increase in republican house seats here this year..!?!

by heyAnita 2006-07-11 09:38AM | 0 recs
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At least we can finally put this ridicilous claim that the DLC is behind Case to bed now.

by Ryan Anderson 2006-07-11 09:41AM | 0 recs
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Agreed.  99 times out of 100 I will agree with Chris over Ed Kligore but it is a stretch to say that b/c Case is a member of the DLC that the DLC is automatically supporting him.  Lots of people join organizations but find that come election time the organization takes no position or even opposes them.  Being a member of an organization and gaining its support are two very different things.

by John Mills 2006-07-11 09:56AM | 0 recs
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Case is significantly more conservative than Akaka, and is in line with the DLC, regardless of what their policy is or is not about endorsements.

See my post below - I post the national journal ratings of Akaka and Case, show how Case rubberstamped Bush's war while Akaka opposed it, and raise key points showing that Case is not the one to back in the primary.  

Those supporting Lamont should also support Akaka.  Case would cancel out many of Lamont's votes, if both are elected to the U.S. Senate.

by schultzy 2006-07-11 06:40PM | 0 recs
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That's not my point.  I'd most likely vote for Akaka if I lived in Hawaii even if he is an ineffectual member of the Senate and part of the Hawaii Dem machine.  His voting record is much better than Case's.

I think Chris is great and agree with him most of the time but he has been saying Case is a DLC backed candidate.  Kilgore, who I also like and who works for the DLC, says they are not paying attention to or backing anyone in this race.  Having been the head of a local political organization, being a member of an organization and having that organization's support/backing are completely different things.  

It is fine to describe Case as a DLCer since he is a member of the organization.  It is misleading to say the DLC is behind or supporting his candidacy since they have publicly stated they are not.  It is a bit of symantics but the acuracy is important - at least in my book.

by John Mills 2006-07-11 08:26PM | 0 recs
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Until Case disavows the DLC, it is another case of a DLC'er against a good Democrat. The DLC doesn't operate in good faith otherwise they wouldn't have the word 'Democratic' in their name while employing a former Christian Coalition Republican to fight Democrats. I hope this race ends up for the DLC like the California gubernatorial primary and the Montana senate primary. Membership in the DLC needs to be punished this year to ensure we aren't stuck with one of the DLC losers running for President in 2008.

by Bob Brigham 2006-07-11 10:15AM | 0 recs
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I disagree. For most candidates, having an insider DC organization support them is a good thing, not something to fear.

Ed Case is a decent guy, and he's not a conservative by any means. Constantly bashing him as being part of the DLC is as idiotic as bashing members of the NRA who happen to be Democrats.

Let's evaulate his candidacy by his stands on issues, not by some silly litmus test.

by rwiedower 2006-07-11 11:53AM | 0 recs
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No, let's evaulate him by the fact he stands with the DLC against Democrats. Same thing with the 2008 candidates.

by Bob Brigham 2006-07-11 01:16PM | 0 recs
Case IS a Conservative Democrat...

who rubberstamped Bush's war in Iraq, while incumbent Senator Dan Akaka does not, did not, will not.  Plain and simple.  I post the facts on my blog:  http://krisschultz.blogspot.com

by schultzy 2006-07-11 06:42PM | 0 recs
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very true, the two races are different. Case seems more inclusive than Lieberman and the DLC. Case and Lamont will both be great Senators and make the party a power again.

by mchs 2006-07-11 10:54AM | 0 recs
Lieberman's actions affect the entire nation

It's good that Chris pointed out that it is a ridiculous complaint that Lamont is getting national support because most candidates rely on out of state help in addition to local help already. How can these guys complain about Lamont's nationwide help with a straight face?

But even if you grant them that point to make the debate more interesting(otherwise they would be no reason for a debate), Lieberman deserves the nationwide movement against him because his actions not only affect his state but all of us. He is a national nuisance right now.

by Pravin 2006-07-11 09:41AM | 0 recs
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I think the obsession with the left is really missing a serious point, that the voters in Connecticut are not happy with failed conservative policies and the people who support them.

by Matt Stoller 2006-07-11 09:45AM | 0 recs
Bingo!

Thanks for hammering this point. This is not a leftist war on Lieberman. It voters trying to get rid of a bad politician. Lieberman has done damage to a number of Democratic national policies. Why shouldn't Democrats from around the country campaign against him?

by KosTexasliberal 2006-07-11 11:03AM | 0 recs
Lieberman put himself in the national spotlight.

Further, Lieberman ran for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination  at least twice and was on our ticket in 2000.  HE put himself in the nat'l spotlight.  He's been openly spiting the progressives of our party for the entire GW presidency.  He's reaping what he sowed.

by kentuckydave 2006-07-11 09:53AM | 0 recs
Al From

contributed at least $1,000 to Lieberman this cycle:

http://images.nictusa.com/showimg/1036.g if

FWIW.

But Matt's point is right. This is about CT voters in the end. Lieberman has done a very poor job as senator, and they know it.

by tparty 2006-07-11 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Al From

I think we can count on several statements from Ed Kilgore and other leading DLC figures decrying the "national interference" of Al From in a local campaign.  

/snark

by RickD 2006-07-11 11:12AM | 0 recs
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At the bottom of all this is the fact that the entire political establishment is seriously freaked out by the threat of bottoms-up democracy.  The idea that ideas and political initiative are generated by the grass roots and then percolate upward is new and threatening to the existing hierarchy.  For all the happy talk about democracy in this country, it is seldom practiced.

by global yokel 2006-07-11 10:04AM | 0 recs
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very good point, why are the only candidates that the DSCC and the 'establishment' support the ones they and not the people pick?  
Like Lamont and Case who bring new energy and will be the kind of politicians who will serve, make change, and then return to private life.
http://www.edcase.com/senate/meet_ed.php
http://nedlamont.com/bio
by mchs 2006-07-11 11:01AM | 0 recs
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Stop your Orwellian arguments, mchs!  Anyone who says Lamont = Case is ignoring the basic facts of Case's voting record.  GIVE ME A BREAK!

Case rubberstamped Bush's war in Iraq. Dan Akaka does not, has not, and will not.

Case supported the bankruptcy bill.

Case has a much more conservative voting record, no matter how you measure it.

see my blog for more points.

by schultzy 2006-07-11 06:46PM | 0 recs
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I said it Sat and I will say it again - people care about the Lieberman-Lamont race because Lieberman is a national figure.  That is why the media cares, it is why the progressive movement cares and it is why bloggers care.  Lieberman's stature and his slights to progressives make the race interesting.  If Lamont were running against Sen Joe Schmo, no one would be watching the race.  

That is why no one is paying attention to Case-Akaka.  Sen Akaka is an ineffectual, low key Senator even if he votes right.  No one outside Hawaii and DC knows either of the candidates.  

The media covers what sells papers and raises ratings.  Lieberman-Lamont does, Akaka-Case doesn't.  It may not be right but it is the way it is.

by John Mills 2006-07-11 10:06AM | 0 recs
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Except as those of us who care deeply about stopping Bush's failed war in Iraq hope to support those Senators - like Senator Dan Akaka - you did not rubberstamp it, like his Democratic challenger Ed Case has.  Ed Case is pro-Bush's war!

by schultzy 2006-07-11 06:47PM | 0 recs
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I am opposed to the war in Iraq but the media, major blogs, etc are not paying attention to this race because most people don't know who these candidates are.  The only reason I know about Dan Akaka is because I worked on the Hill for 8 years.  I am not saying it is not important but to get people's attention it has to have a message and a hook.

Lieberman, regardless of how people feel about him, is a national figure.  That is why people are so focused on that race.  If Ned Lamont were running against a junior member of Congress like Debbie Stabinow or Maria Cantwell, he wouldn't have gotten a tenth of the coverage he has.  

You seem very focused on this race.  If you want to get it elevated, you need a message and a hook that will interest people.  It's sad but true.

by John Mills 2006-07-11 08:37PM | 0 recs
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Also, don't forget that MoveOn polled its Connecticut members to see if the organization should endorse either candidate. Lamont won the vote by a large number.

So, MoveOn is not some external force imposing its will on the people of CT. Instead, a large representation of the people of CT have given MoveOn the green light to get involved and represent their interests.

by itskevin 2006-07-11 10:22AM | 0 recs
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Yes. Combined, MoveOn and DFA have over 60,000 Connecticut members.

DFA head Jim Dean even lives in Connecticut.

They are not "external" forces at all. They are local, grassroots people power.

by tparty 2006-07-11 10:29AM | 0 recs
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60K out of 400K total Democrats.

If they show up, (let's say 50K are dems and not another party or independent), that's going to be incredible. Do people expect above 25-30% turnout?

by scvmws 2006-07-11 01:42PM | 0 recs
Question

I am not a fan of the DLC or their ilk but has anyone looked at the local dynamics of the Hawaii race?  I ask because I know that Hawaii was dominated by a Dem machine for years and according to the National Journal profile on Case he has spent his career as an insurgent against the machine.  Is this race more about the Hawaii machine v insurgent Dem than DLC v non-DLC Dem?  I am curious if anyone knows.

by John Mills 2006-07-11 12:12PM | 0 recs
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No, the Akaka v. Case race is about issues like Iraq, the Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, and tax policy.  Akaka has opposed the Bush Administration policies on all of these issues while Case stands by Bush.  Case's agenda is to drag the Democrats in Hawaii to the center and away from their progressive roots.  He is openly courting independents and Republicans (since this is an open primary), and he is unashamedly scolding progressives who dare to oppose the War in Iraq.  Case's "change" is nothing short of GOP light.
 
by andy winer 2006-07-12 07:12AM | 0 recs
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Thanks.  Sometimes the local dynamics are different that what the national ones are.

by John Mills 2006-07-12 07:54AM | 0 recs
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Chris,
I think you're missing one point, which you can see echoed in a recent fund-raising letter sent out by Sen. Schumer on behalf of the DSCC-- and that is that the DSCC supports incumbent Democrats. Lieberman and Akaka are both incumbents, though poles apart on the Progressive Punch scale. That, IMHO, is the reason they're not supporting Case.

Of course, this is also a way for the inside-the-beltway DLC to oppose the grassroots take-over of the party

Bob in HI

by Bob Schacht 2006-07-11 02:53PM | 0 recs
Case is pro-Bush's War, Akaka is not.

Here are some basic facts about Case, regardless of what the DLC says or doesn't say.

FACT:  Case is pro-Bush's war, and Akaka is not.  Akaka was one of the 13 Senators who supported the Kerry/Feingold Amendment.  Case voted for the U.S. House of Representatives amendment that rubberstamped Bush's war.  

FACT: The National Journal ratings show a strong disparity between Case and Akaka on the liberal to conservative ratings based on their votes.
      Case:
      2004 LIB -- 2004 CONS
      Economic 61% -- 38%
      Social 64% -- 35%
      Foreign 58% -- 42%

     Akaka:
      2004 LIB -- 2004 CONS
      Economic 90% -- 7%
      Social 82% -- 0%
      Foreign 99% -- 0%

FACT: Like DLC'ers, Case supported the Bankruptcy Bill.

FACT: Case is a member of the DLC Caucus in congress.

I blog alot about this race on my own blog: http://krisschultz.blogspot.com

by schultzy 2006-07-11 06:36PM | 0 recs

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