The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Ok, so I spent awhile on the phone last night with super duper secret Senate sources and super duper secret lobbyists.  The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Investors Business Daily, and USA Today confirm what my sources are telling me, which is that the issue of net neutrality and the contentious fights over the Snowe-Dorgan amendment (as well as a few other amendments) could scuttle the whole bill.

Yesterday's events threw a lot of pieces into place for a hardened opposition to this bill.  While telco lobbyists were probably celebrating last night's passage of the bill through the Commerce Committee and the failure of the net neutrality amendment, today the landscape is probably making them a lot less sanguine about their prospects.  They won the Committee vote, but lost a lot of ground.

The Committee's audio servers were overloaded so I couldn't listen to the hearings.  From what I'm told, here's how it went down.  The scene in the room was surreal, with Senators debating in front of a room full of Blackberry-armed lobbyists.  There were aides behind the Senators who would pass their bosses arguments and information, with the lobbyists passing arguments and information to the aides based on the arguments Senators were making.  There were over 50 Bell lobbyists alone, including 12 employees of Verizon.  Some Senators were simply proxies for lobbyists to argue through.  Lunatic arguments were apparently in vogue; Senator Demint said that he couldn't understand why the broadband market wasn't considered competitive.  In a few years, he asserted, there would be as many broadband providers as there are search engines on the internet.  Stevens was angry and ranting, pushing aggressively to get his bill through the Committee.  He ultimately succeeded, but rubbed the Senators so raw that he now realizes that this bill cannot make it through the floor in its current shape.

In terms of the committee members, all of the Dems stood by net neutrality, including Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, and Mark Pryor.  George Allen was sitting on the fence, visibly uncomfortable, and undecided until the last minute. John McCain left his vote with a staff by proxy, and wasn't there for most of the hearings.  Always the showboater, he came in only to offer his own amendment, and for final passage of the bill.  His own amendment was a pet issue of the Christian right, a la carte cable TV, which was destroyed by 20-2.  He also voted against net neutrality and for passage of the final bill, per his orders from the Republican establishment.  John McCain 2008 showed up, not maverick McCain.  Quel surprise.

When the vote came, we held on for an 11-11 tie, keeping all the Democrats.  I'm as critical of the Democratic Party as you'll find among liberal bloggers, but I have to acknowledge that the Democrats on the Commerce Committee (except for Inouye) were exceptional and just hung in there.  I am very much learning that having votes in there matters a great deal, and that these people are under extraordinary pressure to do the wrong thing.

John Kerry was the major surprise in the hearings.  Ted Stevens was deeply angry about the bill, and said at one point that the net neutrality provision was a poison pill that would prevent the larger telecom reform bill from passing.  "If we include net neutrality in the bill, we won't have 60 votes to pass the bill", he said, to which John Kerry responded with something along the lines of "If you don't put net neutrality in the bill, you won't have 60 votes to pass the bill either." Ouch.  This was vintage kickass Kerry, the Kerry that showed up for the debates in 2004.

Bill Nelson of Florida was another happy surprise.  He has spent the last 6 months flirting with John Ensign, and is a big fan of video franchising.  Not only did he vote correctly on net neutrality, but he prevented Stevens from holding the vote before he could make his strongly worded statement.  In his statement, he said he really wants national video franchising, he thinks that this legislation is very important, and he's worked to pass it.  But, he is now convinced that without network neutrality and without effective cable build-out provisions, he could not support it.

Now, a word on rhetoric and the Senate.  While words are often unimportant in PR battles, the Senate has a very different set of rhetoric rules.  The Senate does work via collegiality; one Senator can seriously screw up the works if he/she wants to, so there's a really strong incentive towards being polite and effusive.  The sharp language exchanged in this fight have a political impact, in other words, and will make it harder to get onto the floor.  You can't just cram things through.

Byron Dorgan, who is one of the most underappreciated and populist Senators in that body, was out there fighting with everything he had.  He went absolutely toe to toe with Stevens.  After Olympia Snowe gave a great opening speech, stating that non-discrimination principle is the basis for the internet, Ted Stevens got so angry that he went on a rant, that was just all over the map.  He insisted that net neutrality would create a two-tiered internet, confusing which policy would create a two-tiered internet.  He kept repeating 'we will not have a two-tiered internet', going on and on, making arguments for and against net neutrality.  It was very awkward for all the lobbyists in the room.  It's good that the audio servers were overloaded, because otherwise Stevens' rant would be all over the internet. Well good for Stevens, anyway.  I got this description of the Stevens screed from someone in the room:

Stevens, at one point in his rant, aimed some serious blows at the Internet companies.  He said he felt that the 5 big Internet companies (all of whom wanted a "free ride" on the Internet) had cooked up this network neutrality amendment and were pushing it through the Congress.  He said that in his opinion, more money had been spent by these 5 companies on this amendment than on any other amendment in history.

The irony of the moment was almost too much to bear.  In the audience at the mark-up were around 200 people.  I counted 8 from Internet companies.  The total of telephone company lobbyists was more like 50 or 75.  And of course, they are spending $15 million a week on advertising (update: I'm told it's closer to $15 million a month, which doesn't include lobbying costs, though no one except the telcos are really sure) to push the bill and kill network neutrality.  The Internet companies have bought almost no advertising, and they are outgunned by a factor of 10 to 1 in lobbying clout.

When Stevens was done, Dorgan just took him to the woodshed.  Dorgan said, "You're such a passionate speaker, when you're finished, I'm not always sure whether you're carrying a strong hand or a weak hand.  You've argued both sides of this case quite well." Everyone laughed.  Dorgan then broke out the Hands off the Internet television commercial which claimed that telco-sponsored legislation prevented discrimination on the internet.  Dorgan said, "Can you explain why it is that your supporters are lying on television?  They say that nondiscrimination is in your bill.  Can you show me where it's in your bill?" Dorgan hammered the point until Stevens wouldn't respond.

It was a dramatic moment.

In terms of other members, Barbara Boxer and Maria Cantwell made good speeches to the issue, and the vote was an 11-11 tie.

Final passage of the bill was the next step for the net neutrality issue.  The count moving the bill out of committee was 15-7.  We lost four people from the 11-11 tie to the final passage, Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, Olympia Snowe, and Inouye.  Inouye gave a speech before passage, the first of the day for him.  He went through all the problems with the bill, and then said that Stevens had been more than fair with the bill, so he's going to vote for moving the bill out of Committee anyway.  This was a surprise, but I've been warned all along that Inouye really likes compromise.  He is a very old man who believes in the old-school compromise mentality, where you work in comity with the other side, and he has very good relations with Ted Stevens.  Nelson wanted to vote for the bill all along, and while Pryor voted for moving the bill out of committee, he did mention that he's not happy with the bill in its current form and may vote against it on the floor.  Snowe didn't explain why she voted for final passage, though it was probably out of respect for Ted Stevens.

Ok, to the big picture.  As you can see, this fight was contentious and polarizing.  Three controversial amendments drew close votes.  First of course is the 11-11 tie on net neutrality.  Second was a 12-10 amendment loss on build-out requirements, which makes it easier for cable companies to avoid servicing certain areas.  Third was a 12-10 loss on consumer protection, which strips state and local laws that protect consumers in wireless, telephones, and cable and vests power in the often toothless FCC.  There was also contention over the broadcast flag provisions in the bill, which will come out on the floor.  Senators love their TIVOs.

Because of all this contention, Stevens flatly said he does not have 60 votes for the bill, and it would likely not get floor time unless he has those votes lined up.  We need 41 Senators that will vote against cloture.  This seems doable.  Immediately after final passage, Ron Wyden went to the floor denouncing the bill and announcing that he has put a hold on the bill, which will make it hard for the bill to move through.  We need to get him a few more supporters that will help him, but with the fire and brimstone shown by several members of the committee (Dorgan, Kerry), as well as several high profile Senators off of it (Clinton, Obama), that's not as hard as it might look.

The telecom companies feel deeply misunderstood by this fight.  I can't tell if they really care that much about net neutrality or if they are trying to keep wiggle room so they can manage their networks.  I imagine that the executive suites are split on its importance.  Video franchising is what they are definitely after, and they are going to slug this out on a local, state, and national level.  It's really kind of ridiculous, they should probably be able to sell video services, but they have so badly misplayed their hand on net neutrality that it's looking less and less likely that a bill will get through.  From my perspective, that's a good thing.  We can push network neutrality legislation next session, which the telcos, if they really don't care about their brands, will still fight.  More to the point, the FCC isn't enforcing network neutrality now, but it could at any point do so.

I'm willing to wait this one out and not go for the compromise language pushed by the CDT, and others.  This fight has definitely seen a lot of heat and viciousness.  The telcos have been spending $15 million a week on TV ads, and have been smearing me and people on the internet as know-nothing hippiies.  Scott Cleland, for instance, took a joke I made at Yearly Kos when I was on a panel with a lot of wonks and joked I knew nothing about communications policy, and is using it to delegitimize me.  Mike McCurry has been all over the place, using top-down approved talking points on net neutrality that are simply incoherent.  Trolls are all over the MyDD comment threads, refusing to disclose whether they are paid by telecom lobbyists.

It's sad, because AT&T, for instance, is a company I'm inclined to like because of its union-friendly policies, and I admire Verizon's stance on IP issues (the company was critically important to defeating the iPod-crushing INDUCE Act, for instance).  Yes, these are big bad oligopolistic companies, but they are not monolithically bad.  Being on the other end of their bad behavior, though, has left a really nasty taste in a lot of peoples' mouths, and that's going to hurt them if they don't start wizening up.

So that's where we are.  I'm hearing rumors about Stevens trying to put together a slimmed down telecom bill, and he's clearly working hard to salvage something that can get through the floor and through a conference committee.  Unlike in the House, where the vote crushing the Markey amendment on the floor really crumpled our momentum, on balance, yesterday was a good day for our side.

Tags: AT&T, Barbara Boxer, Byron Dorgan, George Allen, John Kerry, John McCain, Lobbyists, Maria Cantwell, net neutrality, Ted Stevens, telecom, Verizon (all tags)

Comments

35 Comments

Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

I think your description of the problem is dead on. There is one more consequence of the Wealth Primary, which is that not just millionaires but scions of political dynasties have an almost insuperable political advantage. It's no accident that the last few years have seen an explosion in the number of candidates for high office who are directly related to current or past officeholders. It's a tremendous shortcut for political fundraising.

The Wealth Primary has also had a lot to do with the awesome centralization of power in the new Republican political machine, since those who are in a position to direct that money have used it to dominate and corrupt the nation's dominant political party.

Sometimes I feel that we are headed to a version of the old Roman Republic, when voters had the ability to choose which member of one of the Famous Families would be governing them. Not that it made any difference, since they were all the same.

by thirdestate 2006-06-29 11:46AM | 0 recs
sanguine means hopeful

Is that what you meant?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sanguin e

by Pachacutec 2006-06-29 11:49AM | 0 recs
Kevin Martin of the FCC wants to let AT&T

prioritize traffic.  

You wrote:
"...the FCC isn't enforcing network neutrality now, but it could at any point do so."

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http://www.networkingpipeline.com/news/1 83701554

In a question-and-answer period in front of the keynote audience, Martin said that "I do think the commission has the authority necessary" to enforce network neutrality violations, noting that the FCC had in fact done so in the case last year involving Madison River's blocking of Vonage's VoIP service.

"We've already demonstrated we'll take action if necessary," Martin said.

However, Martin also added that he supports network operators' desires to offer different levels of broadband service at different speeds, and at different pricing -- a so-called "tiered" Internet service structure that opponents say could give a market advantage to deep-pocket companies who can afford to pay service providers for preferential treatment.
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To avoid having some websites treated as high-priority (fast) and some as low-priority (slow) by AT&T, we need legislation.

by EricJaffa 2006-06-29 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Kevin Martin of the FCC wants to let AT&T

I would hate to leave it to the FCC to enforce N2.  Martin has had a room full of bankers boxes of payola evidence for the past 10 months and they haven't even hiccuped in the direction of fines or penalties for the radio companies.  Instead they are talking about raising radio ownership caps and rolling out HD radio and it's extra capacity to the same hand full of corps that violated the law.

At the same time they are regularly telling journalists that the FCC doesn't have the budget or the resources to be an investigative body and that's why they aren't enforcing the anti payola law.

This doesn't bode well for them enforcing much more sneaky, obscured and complicated issues like those raised by N2.  At least with Payola there is a clear line and someone else using his subpoena power to get them evidence that they simply don't seem prepared to use. Until they stand up here I have no confidence they can stand up on N2.

by jennytoomey 2006-06-30 07:57AM | 0 recs
Any legislation this year would be bad though

We might be able to get a net neutrality provision into the final Senate bill, but the House's COPE Act would win in conference; the result would be a final telecom bill legislating AGAINST Net neutrality, and that's the LAST thing we want.

Far better to torpedo Stevens' telecom bill altogether, by whatever means, and finalize NO telecom legislation this year.

Then the question of Net neutrality is still a blank spot in the law, waiting for legislation.  We pick up some House and Senate seats this November, continue to lean on Congress and raise public awareness of the issue, and start with a stronger hand in the new Congress.  

Here's hoping we can retake at least one chamber of Congress and put an end to the GOP's habit of rewriting entire bills in conference committee.  Or at least get the Dems to call them on it when they do it.

by RT 2006-07-01 03:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

I really think you're mistaken.  I think, if anything, regulation will simply get in the way of innovation and slow down the progress of internet technology.  

At the end of the day, the power is with the consumer.  Remember when AOL was a closed network?  When they could only email to other AOL accounts?  No longer the case--why?  Because the consumers started dropping like flies and going elsewhere to companies that gave them the features and access they desired.  

That's how the free market works, and should continue to work, with regards to the internet.  There's simply no reason to think that we need Washington involved.

Take a peek at my coalition's website: http://handsoff.org and our flash animation: http://dontregulate.org if you're interested in more information.

by ThinkAboutIt 2006-06-29 12:24PM | 0 recs
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I really think you're mistaken.  I think, if anything, regulation will simply get in the way of innovation and slow down the progress of internet technology.

Wrong, bucko. Regulation made the internet. When the internet was made "public", there was a clear requirement that internet connectivity be content-neutral. This was a regulation. You know, as in government mandated.

I've been an internet user since it was ArpaNet and I know your argument is an utter canard.

The current FCC has removed regulations around content neutrality, effective next year. Without regulation, big pipes (like Verizon and AT&T) will begin the multi-tiered access that they're itching to enforce, since it allows them to control content access as they deem fit.

Regulation is a good thing. It forces the big pipe providers to let users access whatever content they pick with equal priority. It seems either disingenuous or downright dishonest to suggest that allowing connectivity providers to decide accessibility (i.e., speed of access) is somehow a good thing.

"Hands off" is utterly bogus. Thanks for playing and we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

by KB 2006-06-30 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

I hope this becomes a regualr habit of the internet folks. Fighting against bad bills and pushing the Democratic party to do the right thing feels good. Keep up the great leadership on this, and hopefully other things.

by jbou 2006-06-29 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

I'm curious as to what happened here.  As of maybe an hour ago, I had a reply to this thread posted, and it seems to no longer be here.  Was it for some reason removed?  

by ThinkAboutIt 2006-06-29 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

You were troll-rated by the community, I believe.

by Matt Stoller 2006-06-29 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Sad to see that.  My post was germane to the topic at hand, was a legitimate argument, and was in no way offensive that I could tell.  My apologies if it did offend, though I cannot imagine how.  

I don't suppose the individual who troll-rated my post could somehow reverse it?  Makes it rather difficult to carry on a reasonable dialogue when any and all opposition is squelched.  Not to mention rather counter to your site's position on net neutrality, isn't it?  ;)

by ThinkAboutIt 2006-06-29 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Cute user name. And emoticons! Wow. Do y'all really think it's this easy to dupe the Internet naifs?

I mean - clearly you do.

by jkdism 2006-06-29 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Not to mention rather counter to your site's position on net neutrality, isn't it?  ;)

More proof that you're a complete newbie or purposely being bozonic.

People who actually understand the internet know that one concept underlying "net neutrality" is that content providers get to determine the rules regarding their content. In other words, "My site, my rules." If MyDD wants to allow random users like you and me to be able to troll-rate (and thus make hidden) some comments, then that's fine. If you don't like it, set up your own site or go find a site with rules you like better.

Whether you had your tongue in your cheek or not, please note that without net neutrality, any site could find itself forced to choose between crappy accessibility or enforcing rules imposed by a pipe provider.

Please go find a less educated audience for your arguments. We actually understand the internet here.

Oh, and by way of a PS...it's possible you got troll rated by mistake. I've done that, recently in fact. It can happen easily.

by KB 2006-06-30 08:30AM | 0 recs
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Matt,

Great reporting and much appreciated by this one of many who, like you, couldn't get the audio feed to work on the critical day of the markup.  

At this point I'd prefer to see the bill die in the Senate and see if the Dems can win back one or both houses of Congress and revisit the whole thing.  This bill, with few exceptions, is driven by the telcos, and it'd be great to start from a new vantage point.  Maybe the web/tech companies will weigh in more actively if they have more time, and maybe the netroots influence can be brought to bear even more effectively.  

Later today I'm going to give the muni-broadband provisions another read and try to get more clear on their likely implications (I have to do this for a report I'm writing anyway).  As I've said before, I think these are extremely important, perhaps even more so than NN provisions.

It was great to see the 11 votes on the Amendment, and your commentary on the discussion was also heartening.

I think that the technical issues related to NN really are pretty messy and complicated and, as I've said, I have concerns about implementation.  

But the important thing to me is that this issue has potency (as it should), and so does the netroots effort that kept steady pressure on during the various phases.  At the very least, its been good practice for future legislative battles, and also consciousness-raising for Congress, the tech and blogging community, and probably for lots of citizens.  One of the benefits of all the anti-NN ad spending is that it may have gotten people to think about the issue.  The more difficult step, amidst the BS, is to actually clarify the issue.

by mitchipd 2006-06-29 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

please let me know when you get something on muni networks.  After what they ahve been doing at the state level, I expected the telco's to outlaw muni networks nationally.

by msobel 2006-06-30 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Stevens

What ever happened with his promise to quit the Senate after the defeat of ANWR drilling last year?  Didn't he sulk off to Alaska vowing never to return?  Can we please hand him a few more defeats so he will make good on the promise?  He is a real piece of work.  

Good, good work on this one, Matt.

by Mimikatz 2006-06-29 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Here's a link to Stevens rant...his fuses appear to be blown...

He seems to misunderstand so much, its amazing that he chairs this committee (its actually hard to say for sure, since he's really not making any sense).  Worth distributing the link, I think, just to make the point that the Republican chair seems deeply out of touch with the subject matter he's supposed to write laws about.
http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/497

If anyone finds any more audio from the NN session, please provide links.  As Matt indicated, it sounds like it was a doozy.  Stevens rant appears to reflect the intensity.

by mitchipd 2006-06-29 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Hey guys!

Somebody with real knowledge of this stuff please join the Rocky Mountain Internet Users (rmiug) Yahoo group and help me!

I started this thread on the group and have recommended this diary and the DK stuff to them, but now I'm out of control!

HELP me please!

Vicki

by victoria2dc 2006-06-29 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

I can't tell if they really care that much about net neutrality or if they are trying to keep wiggle room so they can manage their networks.  I imagine that the executive suites are split on its importance.  Video franchising is what they are definitely after, and they are going to slug this out on a local, state, and national level.

Matt, the telcos care very much about it ... they just didn't think the fight was going to come this early.

The telcos right now are gearing up to compete with the cable companies in the video business -- that's what Verizon's FIOS and SBC's Project Lightspeed are all about.

Thing is, broadband has the potential for letting us go around the cable companies and their telco competitors and watch what we want via direct Internet download. If lots of people start doing that, and lots of companies start providing content that way, it kills their "cable" gatekeeper business model and just makes them carriers again.

The reason that it's so contentious is that they are the gatekeepers to the consumer -- the broadband connection is basically either cable modem or DSL. So despite being able to charge the consumer for access to content on the Internet, they also want to be able to charge content companies for access to their consumers.

Two things have been "givens" up until recently: one was that Internet TV was at least 5 years or more in the future, and the other was that the major content companies like the networks and cable channels wouldn't threaten their relationships with cable and telco to run around them in a direct-to-consumer sale.

Last year, some trade journalists from cable confused IPTV (that's the "telco as cable" using Internet Protocol for delivery) with Internet TV (user-retrieved programming via the Internet) in magazine coverage, and that mistake was then picked up Business Week and Forbes. Suddenly, the world was talking about Internet TV as if it were right around the corner, and that lit a fire under the telcos about net neutrality, to keep Internet TV from happening.

The other thing that happened was that the Video iPod began to prove the business model for user-requested video content, and already there ARE newscasts, etc., available via podcast and TV episodes that can be downloaded. So that also moved Internet TV a lot closer to reality.

Yes, net neutrality is critical, or FIOS and Project Lightspeed won't ever get the numbers the telcos are projecting.

by Ducktape 2006-06-29 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

That's very interesting.  

Yes, net neutrality is critical, or FIOS and Project Lightspeed won't ever get the numbers the telcos are projecting.

Can you explain this sentence a bit more?

by Matt Stoller 2006-06-29 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Verizon and SBC (AT&T) are projecting that, by 2010, they'll have between them some 27 million housholds as their FIOS and Project LightSpeed (video) subscribers.

That's a pretty amazing number, when you think about it -- with only around 100 million households in the US, they think they're going to get upwards of 25% of them, and be the size of Comcast and bigger than TimeWarner Cable.

Personally, I think they're dreaming -- they may eventually have that kind of penetration, but not in 4 years, and neither cable nor satellite are going to stand idly by and let that happen. There also are technical issues -- they're placing a HUGE bet on Microsoft TV being able to actually work, and then to scale, and it hasn't shown yet that it can.

Nonetheless, that's the plan. Put a Google news or Yahoo news notification on IPTV, Fios, Project Lightspeed, and Microsoft TV and it should keep you somewhat up to speed.

by Ducktape 2006-06-29 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: The Seventh Inning Telco Stretch

Good analysis Ducktape.  Wall Street's already ambivalent about telco upgrades to deliver video.  If you add what they call "over the top" content delivery (i.e., by content owners directly via the Internet), you're right that the telco economic model for upgrading networks becomes even more iffy.

This is also partly true for the future cable model, though they're not putting that much new money at risk, since they already upgraded their networks over the past 10 years (not with fiber, but with a mix of fiber to pockets of about 500 homes and then coax the rest of the way, and also with really lousy "upstream" bandwidth).  They also have longstanding business relationships and substantial ownership stakes in content companies, so are somewhat less vulnerable, and have less "new" investment at risk.

I'd love to see the telcos eat some humble pie and team up with municipalities and use their technical and construction expertise to help local communities build open-access fiber muni-nets and also to become one of multiple service providers using the network to serve customers.

With an all-fiber net they could kick cable's butt in video and advanced services, but they would no longer be the swaggering monopolist, so probably wouldn't go for this model, which I admit would have its own set of signficant risks and unknowns.  Better, they believe, to use their main skill--brute political/legal power--to continue down the duopoly gatekeeper road and try to pursue an IP version of the cable TV model in video and use their duopoly-gatekeeper market power to extract profits from the innovative services provided by other companies (or to copy those services and then capture all the profits by killing the business model of the original innovator).

But as Ducktape notes, the video business and telecom in general is shifting under their feet, thanks to Apple and many others.  While this might make some companies think creatively and make big changes to their business model, this is not likely to happen for the telcos.  This is understandable, but I don't think its wise, even for their own future, but most definitely for the future of the Internet and the country.

The ability to exert their gatekeeper market power in this way is key to their future and Wall Street's valuation of that future.  They may not exert it much right now (really don't need to), but having a law that prohibits or seriously restricts it could be enough to see some negative reaction from Wall Street.

Both sectors are burdened by substantial legacy network and business model issues.  Telcos, for example, are losing access lines in large numbers and have to pay large dividends to keep their stock price up.

And, over the years, cable operators paid $3,000-$4,000 per subscriber (maybe $1.8k-$2.4k per home passed, depending on penetration)and sometimes more to acquire other operators' systems (some not even upgraded yet, and none with all-fiber networks).  When they start losing video customers to telco TV, the cost of their acquisitions on a per-paying-customer basis will increase accordingly.

But it might cost only about $1,500 or so per household to build an all-fiber network.  If a municipality can justify a third of that cost in terms of public agency efficiencies, operating cost savings and other "public" benefits, it would have only $1k per household to finance from commercial services.  

And if this fiber network started delivering open-access "Internet TV" on a large-scale basis, it would provide a REAL alternative to cable TV and telco IPTV.  In many respects, content providers would love this, because they'd get to keep a larger portion of total revenue.  That doesn't mean that major content providers will flock en masse to such a network (they already have deals with cable operators and are grappling with  gnarly issues themselves with regard to their "digital-era" business models).  But I would think that, if such a high-capacity open-access network was available, that they'd, over time, be more and more attracted to using it.

by mitchipd 2006-06-29 02:38PM | 0 recs
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IPTV in general is critical to telcos, as part of their "quadruple play" strategy: wired telephony, wireless telephony, broadband data, telco tv (IPTV).

Ever since the Telecommunications Act allowed cable and telco to go into each others' markets, telco has been in a world of hurt. That's been exacerbated by wireless getting so ubiquitous (and reliable) that a  wired phone line just isn't critical any more. Cable started offering "regular" phone service (which is what I have) and VOIP, and of course there's Vonage, Skype, etc. which can give you a phone line without any phone company at all, if you have a cable modem.

What has made this all SO threatening (and threatens their stock valuation) is the way telcos run their businesses. If you think about it, for 100 years, they were able to have confidence that 100% of the businesses, and almost 100% of the homes in their service area would be their customers.

That guarantee let them amortize their plant over decades -- in some cases, they were amortizing it over 40 years! (It's one reason they were never very innovative until they were forced to be -- it wasn't just the lack of competition, but also that they were still paying off equipment they'd bought decades before, and it was still in use.)

That's all very well as long as you have that 100% market share guarantee. But now your market share drops to 92% or 88% of the households in your service area... and you are screwed deeper in the hole every month, at the same time that you're having a demand to upgrade your network.

So the telcos have been making their shareholders aggressive promises about what this is going to mean. In fact, in Jan 2005, SBC alone had even projected more than 1 million subs by the end of 2005 (which they didn't make, of course -- they were still in their in-house tests).

BTW, do NOT trust Microsoft to stay on the side of the angels in this. Both SBC and Verizon have selected Microsoft TV as their delivery platform, which will make those two companies the largest Microsoft server farms in the world.

Microsoft is not the only platform game in town and they haven't proven themselves yet. They are the ones who will be blamed when the telcos don't make their dates and numbers, and they might decide at some point that it's in their interest to move to the other side. Which I suspect means that we could lose Cantwell if that happens...

by Ducktape 2006-06-29 05:12PM | 0 recs
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I agree with your take on this Ducktape, including MSFT's role/position.

Here's a writeup of some comments by Bill Gates at the recent "D: All Things Digital" conference in San Diego in response to questions about his thinking on net neutrality:
(for full blog post, by Gary Arlen see: http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/0016 13gates_in_middle_on_net_neutrality.php

"I'm in the middle," [Gates] admitted, acknowledging Microsoft's feet in camps on both sides of the issue. As a major supplier to AT&T's IPTV initiative and portal partner (via MSN) to Verizon's DSL services, he recognizes the telcos' stance. Yet MSN generally aligns with other portal suppliers in seeking assurances that content suppliers and packagers will be assured of access to the net.

"Ivan wants to give them hell," Gates said, referring to Verizon feisty CEO Ivan Seidenberg. When I asked him about AT&T's Ed Whitacre, Gates characterized his customer's position as more moderate, willing to give and take as the process evolves. Gates diplomatically noted that his long-time lieutenant Craig Mundie, a versatile Microsoft executive, is heading the company's tight-rope walk through the policy evolution...

by mitchipd 2006-06-29 05:45PM | 0 recs
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Mitch, are you in the industry also? If you are, email me at my contact address...

by Ducktape 2006-06-29 06:20PM | 0 recs
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Mark Cuban had a couple of great posts on these and related issues a while back, here and here.

Long story short: there's not enough pipe to go around for all of this proposed/dreamed-about video delivery.

by jkdism 2006-06-29 06:50PM | 0 recs
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That's why its a good idea to start building open-access all-fiber "Internet roads" ASAP, community by community.  That's the platform we want to build the future of this country on, not gatekeeper-controlled Lightspeed, FiOS or cable HFC-VOD, etc.  It'll take time in any event, but we need to choose as a nation which fork we want to take in the road to the Internet's future:
http://america-at-the-internet-crossroad s.com/
by mitchipd 2006-06-29 07:33PM | 0 recs
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Thanks for the recap, but the story about Dorgan on the telco ad is a little off. Dorgan called the ad misleading and said that the protections it mentioned weren't in the bill - but the ad was explicitly talking about the House bill, and didn't really have anything to do with Steven's legislation.

It was really kind of an awkward moment - Stevens' response wasn't very good, but Dorgan's attack didn't make any sense.

by WADem 2006-06-29 02:07PM | 0 recs
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I'm not surprised that Ted Stevens is obsessing on phone wires and cable pipes; they're the segment of the Internet that is simple and easy to understand -- especially in comparison with the 'mostly invisible' software layer.  The software work that I'm familiar with is collaborative, and can *only* function where access to servers, files, and content is open, reasonably priced, and dynamic.  Developing product prototypes and new services is premised on open access, and is referred to as Net Neutrality -- a term badly in need of a legal definition and federal protection.

Clearly, I've spent too much time bird-dogging softare bugs, and not enough time paying attention to recent FCC decisions, legal cases, and Senate campaign contributor lists. Me bad.

The telecoms are NOT the economic, entreprenurial drivers in the Internet puzzle.   All of the Net's INNOVATION comes from the software layer.  A million miles of cable will never produce a single Google; for that, you need software.

For good software development, you need Net Neutrality.  

And Steven's doesn't think we need NN?   Assuming that Stevens voted to spend obscene amounts of money to 'prevent' terrorist attacks, then he clearly understands the cause/effect relationship between 'legislation' and 'prevention.'  No one who legislated to 'prevent' terrorism should get a free ride on the NN issue by whining that no harm has yet occured.  To prevent potential problems, you have to legislate in advance.  $sauce4goose = $_sauce4gander.

I wrote a diary some weeks ago, but don't know whether Matt ever saw it.  Title = "Net Neutrality: The Technology Formerly Known As Phone..."  

The telecoms seem to dream that they are missing out on millions in revenue, all those valuable apps flying along their wires...  Let them try developing, debugging, testing, marketing, and supporting software -- if they think it's so cheap and easy, they ought to give it a whirl.  Then perhaps they'd have a better informed view of how all the "millionaire" developers of obscure, small business apps and software are somehow "scamming" the telecoms.  Oh, yeah, and they'll get to share the fun of rewriting code sections for every single new operating system release.  

Just wait till the telecoms have to develop software on that mess of tolls they're proposing.  That might be some sort of justice, but too little and far too late.

by readerOfTeaLeaves 2006-06-29 05:38PM | 0 recs
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rOTL...I just read your diary.  I hope lots of others do as well.

by mitchipd 2006-06-29 08:28PM | 0 recs
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The telcos are going to screw all of this up and hurt their businesses when they do so, which is what's really annoying about this fight.

by Matt Stoller 2006-06-30 08:30AM | 0 recs
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i highly recommend tealeaves diary / read it all / it explains so much that i did not understand on the NN issue

by caterina 2006-06-30 05:45AM | 0 recs
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I just want to say that this is a terrific piece of reporting. I would have loved to see it carried on MSM to a huge national audience.  Thanks for doing it.  We are in your debt.

by syolles 2006-06-30 07:57AM | 0 recs
Weighing In

Gotta weigh in.  Great diary!

Thanks for the pepperoni.

Netroots activism, net neutrality, democracy for america!

Happy Independence Day.

by liberal elite 2006-06-30 11:47AM | 0 recs
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