The Pro-Obama Case

I'm no fan of Barack Obama, and I don't think he really won his race so much as fell into the Senate through the mishaps of his opponents.  And I bristle at the cult of personality around him that obscures our ability to discuss his work without bringing in a whole lot of unnecessary hot air.  Of course, there is another legitimate side to this story, described most eloquently by Archpundit in Illinois.  I like Archpundit a great deal, though his politics differ from mine.  He has three important posts on Obama, for whom he worked in 2004.

This one is his best, where he argues that we need institutionalists like Obama in the Senate to get progressive legislation through.  And it's absolutely true that Obama has done great work on veterans affairs and has drawn attention to Darfur.

Here he argues that Obama actually did win his Senate seat, beating machine candidate Dan Hynes in a seven way primary.  This does obscure the fact that Blair Hull softened up Hynes before self-destructing, but it's worth noting.

And here he does away with the myth that Obama voted for the Bankruptcy Bill.  Obama did not vote for this legislation, though he does have a 'C' from the Drum Major Institute in their middle class scorecard. I don't really put much stock in any one scorecard, since you can game them easily, but it is important to realize that Obama's voting record is pretty progressive (with a few big exceptions that cast doubt on his reliability).

I still don't like that he uses his enormous megaphone to repeat falsehoods about liberals disrespecting faith.  That's just DC-hackery.

Update: Archpundit didn't work for Obama. The campaign manager did buy him drinks once, which calls for a blogger ethics panel.

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Re: The Pro-Obama Case
Argh!  I hate it when Dan Hynes is called a machine candidate.  He's less a machine candidate than Attorney General Lisa Madigan, whose father is Speaker of the Illinois House and has run the IL Democratic Party for decades.  You never hear her referred to as such.
Hynes's "machine" is the goodwill his dad built in one ward on the southwest side of Chicago.  
I like Dan.  I think he's a true progressive and I'm proud to have voted for him over Obama in the primary.
Hynes marched in Sunday's gay pride parade, although his reelection is assured.
Where was Barack?  
Probably at a fundraiser for Lieberman or something.
by ChgoSteve 2006-06-28 08:23AM | 0 recs
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I only hear Hynes called the machine candidate in regard to the 2004 primary, in which it's a fact that he had endorsements from a a huge portion of the Chicago machine.  (In fairness, though, it's true that they didn't pull out all the stops for him.)

Madigan got called a nepotism candidate more than she got called a machine candidate, and, frankly, I think that's worse.  (Sometimes it's hard to tell nepotistic politics from machine politics in Chicago...)

by Daniel Biss 2006-06-28 08:39AM | 0 recs
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Sometimes it's hard to tell nepotistic politics from machine politics in Chicago...)

And to bolster your assertion I would like to present as evidence Todd Stroger.

Pathetic -- this unqualified nitwit is going to be anointed President of the Cook County board out of deference to his fathers wishes and an opportunity for Stroger's cronies to maintain power.

I might have to vote for the Republican in this election

by avagias 2006-06-28 08:49AM | 0 recs
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Good lord; I hadn't seen that yet.  And the article itself talks about yet another case of attempted nepotism, regarding William Beavers's daughter...

by Daniel Biss 2006-06-28 09:02AM | 0 recs
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two relatives have been mentioned in all the "investigative journalism," all the bilge, published on daley and his machine.  what i find interesting is how outsiders always complain about daley.  perhaps it is jealously.

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 08:55AM | 0 recs
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And those who complain about the Daley machine always skirt the machine politics subtending Tammy Duckworth's victory in Illinois 06.  I find the hypocrisy both humorous and astounding.

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 09:39AM | 0 recs
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Gerry Chico was the machine candidate.

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 08:43AM | 0 recs
Chico the Machine candidate

On what do you base this claim?

by Carl Nyberg 2006-06-29 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Chico the Machine candidate

View the names of those who supported the campaign at the FEC.  Allow me to say that I personally know some of those contributors, in fact I am related to some of them, and they are all beneficiaries of the Chicago machine.

by illinois062006 2006-06-29 03:26PM | 0 recs
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Well said..

I voted for Obama, but I liked Dan Hynes quite a bit.  He is definitely not the typical Chicago Democratic Machine candidate and I would have had no guilt about voting for him.

Sadly, Obama's short tenure so far has led me to start feeling a bit of buyers remorse.  I think Obama has had it too easy, and this whole "Rock Star" treatment that he gets seems to be going to his head.

I thought Illinois was getting a progressive Senator -- instead it starting to look like we are getting another bland moderate / centrist who is more interested in networking and holding on to his media darling stature, instead of actually fighting for progressive causes.

Maybe I am being too rough on him, but for a guy who waltzed into the Senate with such support, popularity and the backing of Emil Jones, I would expect him to be a little more courageous.

by avagias 2006-06-28 08:44AM | 0 recs
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I think that much of the problem I personally have with Obama is that it feels as if he's being shoved down my throat.  The media seems to have anointed him the king of the party on the basis of one particular speech and because one day he could become the first black president.  However, he hasn't done anything to merit the kind of attention heaped upon him (in fairness, he hasn't been in office long enough to take a prominent policymaking role within the party).  Moreover, whenever he's presented with the opportunity to speak on the national stage, he seems to offer only empty platitudes and soft criticism of other party members.  Maybe that's because it's the path of least resistance in today's media climate, but it does nothing to reinforce the narrative that he is the savior of the party.

by rfahey22 2006-06-28 08:24AM | 0 recs
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This is somewhat enlightening. I thought Obama voted for the bankruptcy bill. That said, what bothers me is that Obama has been careful to the point of silence on the Issue. What's maddening about this is that he has rhetorical gifts that Murtha, Pelosi, Reid, and virtually all other Democratic spokespeople lack--can't we leave the legislative dirtywork people who're less good on TV? What's more, Obama has credibility on the war because he was against it from the beginning. I think it's instructive that 2 potential Democratic candidates, one a woman, the other black, are essentially treading the same cautious path. Problem is, it leads to obscurity.

by david mizner 2006-06-28 08:32AM | 0 recs
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As for Obama's liberal record  -- while voting against middle incomers on economic matters, William greider described such behavior in a piece from 2002 called Enron Democrats

Apostasy is a safe vote for Democrats, at least on financial issues that are obscure and complicated. Rank-and-file voters cannot connect the dots in order to recognize the betrayal; Republicans cannot attack them for their pro-banker votes. And labor-liberal groups--the valiant people who actively oppose these business-banking "reforms" in the legislative arena--will not attack either. This is because the Democrats always offer a billboard agenda at election time--a few important "people issues" like healthcare, Social Security, the environment--to draw a sharp contrast with the wicked Republicans. Other complaints are silenced, especially less familiar ones. Disappointed activists, from organized labor to consumer, civil rights and women's groups, swallow their anger and fall into line. Unlike the right, progressives feel too weak or scattered to propose their own litmus test, much less enforce it.

Enron Democrats understand this. They are masters at stroking their discontented constituencies while voting against them on bedrock economic issues....

We need a new name for these kind of Democrats who vote liberal on the obvious issues while stabbing middle incomers in the back at every obscure opportunity....

Corporacrats?

by Sitkah 2006-06-28 08:34AM | 0 recs
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My only problem with Obama is he doesn't seem to figure out to capitalize on the media attention around him.  He was given a big stick and he didn't use it.  

He sometimes waffles on an issue, but comes around in the end.  

He could be a very vocal leader, and the media was willing to let him be such.  But then he didn't take advantage, in my view.

Even without a powerful policy making role, he could speak out on big issues and take big stands.  Such as the censure resolution.  If he had stood by Feingold, it would have been just as big as Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, or Durbin standing by Feingold.  

Obama's letter said that he was frustrated and angry, but didn't think censure was justified...
That pissed me off.  But overall, Obama is good for the party.  Future President?  No, I don't see that.  I think you need to take strong stands on big issues to earn my respect for a presidential bid.  And Obama has failed there, where a guy like Feingold has succeeded.

And Hynes was totally a Chicago Democratic Machine Candidate.  He was Daley's boy.  Daley thought he was calling the shots when he got Rod elected.  Daley over-reached.  Now, he's got guys like Guitierrez and, possibly, Jackson Jr. gunning for his job.

by JJCPA 2006-06-28 08:34AM | 0 recs
Whatever Happened To The Ninth Commandment???

Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour

He says he's a Christian, but he lies about secular Dems all the time, just like a Republican.

He's no Christian in my eyes.  Not until he stops lying about me.

I have more respect for Jesus than he does.  I will not tarnish his teachings by associating them with a hypocrite.

I'm serious.  I've had it with the scribes and pharisees.  I have no more use for the Pharisee Left than I do for the Pharisee Right.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-06-28 08:38AM | 0 recs
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Obama is still anti-war, but chose to co-sponsor Levin's amendment rather than Kerry's.  Its not perfect, but its better than voting both down.

Obama is one of the few people in our Government who shows geniune concern for the Darfur situation and takes action in regards to it.

He fights for Veterans in a big way.

He was against the Flag Burning amendment.

He calls the administration's bullshit:

The White House should follow this principle as well. Visiting Iraq for a few hours cannot resuscitate or justify a failed policy. No amount of spin or photo opportunities can change the bottom line: this war has been poorly conceived and poorly managed by the White House, and that is why it has been so poorly received by the American people..

And it's troubling to already see Karl Rove in New Hampshire, treating this as a political attack opportunity instead of a major national challenge around which to rally the country.

He was anti FMA.  

And he does still deliver damn good speeches:
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/

At the same time, he needs to follow his own advice: "It's the timidity - the smallness - of our politics that's holding us back right now. The idea that some problems are just too big to handle, and if you just ignore them, sooner or later, they'll go away. "

And he's jumping on the Newt Gingrich slogan: "Had Enough."  
The Take Back America speech is something else, I suggest reading it.
 http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060614-re marks_of_senator_barack_obama_take_back_ america/index.html

by JJCPA 2006-06-28 08:45AM | 0 recs
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Sarbanes, Leahy and Levin are institutionalists; Obama, on the other hand, is an advocate for the third way, even if he tries to couch it in different terms.  And although I am pleased with most of his voting record, certain key votes remain bothersome.  But what are we to make of his public endorsement of Joe Lieberman?    

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 08:52AM | 0 recs
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I seem to remember that Joe helped Obama out on something when Barack was first elected.  Can't remember what.  

You've got to expect incumbents to endorse incumbents.  What if Barack decided to endorse a primary challenger to Harry Reid?  Wouldn't you howl bullsh*t?  I sure would.  

Now, if Barack endorse Joe the Independent, then I'll throw a fit.  And if Barack heads off to Connecticut to campaign for Joe, I'll throw a fit.  But, so long as he limits it to supporting the incumbent, I'm pretty ambivalent about it.  If the DSCC starts throwing campaign cash at Lieberman before the primary, then I'll kick up a sh*tstorm of righteous indignation, too.  :-)  

by JJCPA 2006-06-28 09:39AM | 0 recs
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He already visited Connecticut and campaigned for Lieberman.

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 09:42AM | 0 recs
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I believe he spoke at the Connecticut State Democratic Party annual dinner, which both Lieberman and Lamont attended, and for which he signed up before Lamont entered the field, IIRC.  Yes, like every other incumbent Dem, he endorsed Lieberman, but they didn't exactly go door-to-door together as you imply.

by Adam B 2006-06-28 11:09AM | 0 recs
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I did not imply what you state in your last sentence.  But he did endorse Lieberman at an event where party leaders and activists were present.  This is tantamount to campaigning, and I believe we should have a discussion about the impact this behaviour has had on Lamont's campaign and on progressive politics in general.

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 11:22AM | 0 recs
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The problem- as I see it in a nutshell- is Obama's rhectoric. It really needs to be understand that the ability to be an opinion maker- and effect perception- is just as important as legislation.  Every time a Democrat opens his or her mouth- they need to think- is this or is this not helping? The things Obama- the problem with it- isn't that it's about religion at all. it's that he is repeating a false meme. And what's worse ,it's a false meme that hurts us in an attempt to say "see, I am with y ou" and Democrats are with you- it's just demonizing some false other. By creating this perception- it says we (Or part of us) haven't always been with you.

Let's contrast this with the Republicans manipulation and shaping of perception. They aren't always discpline, but they do have a sense of how communication isn't a one time event, but instead, something that happens over weeks, years and decades. Each time you open your mouth up you need to have the discipline to keep this in mind: Am I hurting or helping the cause that I want to champion. Here, I suspect his real point is that faith in public life is a good thing (I might add like any other quality or trait one would bring to the table). The problem is how he does it. There are smart ways to say things without offending part of your base, and dumb ways. There are smart ways to say I am with you, and dumb ways. There are smart ways to make a meme, and dumb ways. he choose the later (and sadly, like many democrats- probahbly without even knowing it).

Everyone has been lauding Webb's retort back to Felix since yesterday. But what we are really lauding is not just the retort's impact, but that someone shows that they get it. They aren't acting like the battered wife appologizing to the husband for getting in the way of the hand. Obama's approach- however well intended- are like the road to hell- he has good intentions, but the result is horrible for the party image. If he were truly concerned about the party image- he may want to start- not from the assumption that there is something wrong with us- but to say instead-we are a big tent- Christians and ahteists, men, women, black white, straight gay.

What I liked about his 2004 speech- and don't like about these later speeches- is that he has lost the inclusiveness elements. For me that 2004 speech had shades of MLK in it because it made us all aspire to be more. This speech- and his rhectoric in general- has tended to want to balkanize us. To that extent- to the extent that his rhectoric has balkanized rather than made us a community- that's my issue with him, not his legislative record.

by bruh21 2006-06-28 09:14AM | 0 recs
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I think this is an excellent example of the effect of over-generalization in communication in general, and certainly in the media (both mainstream and other).

I certainly have noticed an intellectual arrogance among some, perhaps just a few of the total, directed against people of faith, granted more often in Comments sections than in the bodies of articles themselves.

It would have been less incendiary if Obama had been more circumspect, to be sure. I find it hard to believe, in any case that his remarks are going to seriously influence any voter of whatever persuasion to change his mind about the progressive movement.

But on the other hand, for SOME participants in the process to repeat the error and imply that ALL people of faith are misguided is equally misguided. The case also needs to be made that at least SOME people of faith are actually rational human beings, with a sensitivity to and and willingness to work toward progressive goals. Some, apparently are not. Let's separate sheep and lambs, rather than branding the whole groups as wolly quadrupeds.

It seems that such generalizations are little more than polemical tools used to win debate points, rather than to rationally express a useful thought.

Of course, if the goal is heat and not light, never mind.

by almostboiledfrog 2006-06-28 09:59AM | 0 recs
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Well, that should have been sheep and goats, shouldn't it.  My bad.

by almostboiledfrog 2006-06-28 10:01AM | 0 recs
ArchPundit is Peddling a Flat Out Lie

In his post, Archpundit is peddling a flat out lie in his defense of Barack Obama. See the details of this lie over at www.workingforchange.org/blog or by clicking here.

Progressive blogs like ArchPundit's should not deliberately mislead their readers in order to defend bad votes by politicians.

by David Sirota 2006-06-28 10:57AM | 0 recs
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Thank you.  An resident of Illinois, I find ArchPundit's blog to be more representative of the desires of beltway politicians than the progressive dynamics on the ground in the state of Illinois.  

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: ArchPundit is Peddling a Flat Out Lie

Feh. You're just pissed at him because you got banninated for making fun of an amputee on his site.

Sez arch:

Simply raging against a vote, but not understanding why it was made or what the implications would have been if the amendment had become law is not anyway to govern.

The question is did Obama in general support such a cap written well, which from David's piece in the Nation, one could imply Obama would. I've asked his office for a response and I'll be happy to pass along what I hear. If Obama wouldn't support a cap in principle, I'd be disappointed.

Mark Dayton's not exactly known for being the brightest bulb in the fixture. Write the law better than the propositions on the ballot in California, and debate the damn thing, and he might support it. As is, it stunk.

Think about this - people like you could have lost the race for Cegelis. Hope you're satisfied.

by Dr Squid 2006-06-28 05:00PM | 0 recs
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Indeed, ArchPundit, who is actually located in Missouri and not in Illinois, is a centrist tool, an unimaginative hack, an interloper in the progressive blogosphere.

by illinois062006 2006-06-28 09:13PM | 0 recs
Obama haters are Spreading BS

OK, so the lazy elitist art history student who once got banninated for posting a video making fun of amputees said the same thing twice in a row.

To speak to the larger point that Truedemocratrealauthentic, who may have lost the primary for Cegelis through his own actions, won't, the Dayton amendment was written worse than most California ballot propositions. Too many unintended consequences, and no debate on the issue, resulted in a rout in the Senate. I'm not going to vote for something sight unseen, and I don't expect my Senator to, either.

by Dr Squid 2006-06-29 08:57AM | 0 recs
Hull soften up Hynes?

I followed the election closely and I don't remember seeing Hull attack Hynes ever.

Obama drubbed the competition in the primary. And it wasn't a weak field.

Blair Hull
Gerry Chico
Dan Hynes
Maria Pappas

I agree that the fawning over Obama gets absurd, but he won his primary race convincingly.

by Carl Nyberg 2006-06-29 02:27PM | 0 recs
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