Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberman Is Staying a Democrat?

I was told by a Reid source that in return for Harry Reid's endorsement of Joe Lieberman to Connecticut delegates, Joe Lieberman has promised to rule out a run for Senate as an independent.  I emailed the Lieberman campaign for confirmation, and haven't heard back.  When I know more, so will you.

I'm not quite sure why Harry Reid did this, but one thing is very clear.  Reid's failed leadership on censure and Alito is coming into starker relief these days.  He's making his bed, and he's going to have to live with it.  I hope it's worth it.

Tags: Harry Reid, Joe Lieberman (all tags)

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Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman...

I don't know. . .if Reid got Lieberman to promise to not run and an independent, then its a good thing.  As it was looking, Lamont has a slim chance in the primary where Dems vote, and no chance once the Indies and Reps join the fray.  But with this move, Reid keeps Lieberman on the one field, the primary, that is the most problematic for Lieberman. All that for an endorsement by an anti-choice, pro-Establishment Dem that will be ignored by the voters anyway.

by Jim Treglio 2006-05-02 02:53PM | 0 recs
Presumably,

since Lieberman has no problem bucking the Dems whenever he feels like it, the only difference if he ran as an independent would be that in the (not-too-unlikely) case of a closely-divided Senate, Lieberman could decide to caucus with the Reeps and keep them in the majority . . . but yeah, Reid's sticking his neck out here and there could be a price to pay.

by catastrophile 2006-05-02 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Presumably,

When Bush Junior's "house of crooks" comes tumbling down, and he needs to replace indicted members of his administration, he's going to tap Lieberbum to either replace Rumsfailed as Secretary of Defense, or replace Condi as Secretary of State, after she takes Cheney's place when he goes to jail. Whichever way it goes, the Republican Governor of Connecticut will then appoint a Republican Senator to take Lieberbum's place. So any vote for Lierberbum is a vote for a Republican Senator for that seat. Even if Lieberbum doesn't win in the primary, Junior will still find an apointment somewhere in his administration for him a la "the guy who lost to a dead man", but I'm sure the Repugs want him to win in the primary because that way they can get themseves a "two-fer".

by William Domingo 2006-05-02 05:10PM | 0 recs
The Dead Man-

who defeated John Aschcroft was a popular Governor of Missouri.

Mel Carnahan.

by CMBurns 2006-05-02 05:16PM | 0 recs
While entirely possible,

this involves far too many contingencies to plan around. First and foremost, it's entirely possible that the administration will ride out a second term without a calamitous collapse -- especially if (for whatever reason) the Dems fail to grab control of either the House or the Senate.

Putting that aside, in my opinion a vote for Lieberman is quite literally and directly a vote for a Reep. I'm just offering some conjecture about Reid's reasoning.

by catastrophile 2006-05-02 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: While entirely possible,

I agree with you that "a vote for Lieberman is quite literally and directly a vote for a Reep", but I'm saying it's, "indirectly a vote for a Reep" also. Bush's "house of crooks" is coming down whether Dems take control or not. Indictments are on the way and Bush Jr will need to scramble. You never saw Tom DeLay's fall coming, did ya? What about Randy "Duke" Cunningham? Jack Abramoff? All the crimes committed you and I could never imagine in our wildest dreams, but they'll come out in the end. You'll never know it till after the fact, but it's coming, I can feel it!

by William Domingo 2006-05-02 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm

Pretty much what Treglio said. This actually looks like a pretty smart move on Reid's part. If Lieberman ran on a third-party ticket, the Dems' would lose the seat for sure. Even if we don't get Lamont, half a Democrat is still better than none - and endorsing a challenger (Reid's only option besides endorsing Lieberman or just ignoring him) would have some seriously harmful effects on party unity nationwide, not just in Connecticut. Reid chose the only option he got something in exchange for. I won't deny it's a risk, but I think it's a good one.

Just my $0.02.

by McSnatherson 2006-05-02 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm

My first thought as well was: huh, Reid just might be a smart guy and looks like he's trying to help Lamont with this move. Just keep Lieberman from running as an Independent. It's the only shot Lamont has.

For the people that consider the establishment Dems' endorsements an important thing, most likely they're Liberman fans anyway.

But, for the people that consider this endorsement frivolous at best, most likely they're Lamont supports and the lack of endorsement won't matter.

zero damage to Reid/Lamont with the endorsement of Lieberman.

by teedub 2006-05-02 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm

I'm sure Harry Reid said to Lieberman, "Joe, if you want my support, you got to promise me you won't make a fool of me afterwards by running as an Independent if you lose". Of course "Holy Joe" will agree, but will he really keep his promise?

by William Domingo 2006-05-02 05:16PM | 0 recs
Who's challenging Reid in the 110th?

I don't say the guy's been stellar as leader. But who else is there who might do a better job? (And how much bloodletting will be entailed in the process of making the change?)

The leadership job isn't exactly a stepping stone to stardom, even if it's leading the majority in the 110th. (Which it could be.)

And Reid's only been in the job since the beginning of the 109th.

Now is the time to be thinking about such things: win or lose, the Dem leadership will have enough on their plate after election day without pondering succession questions!

by skeptic06 2006-05-02 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman...

The DC Dem establishment supports one of their own. That's not news that is what is to be expected.

Joementum will not be constrained by what he agrees to with Reid. He'll do whatever it takes to be in the halls of power.

The CT Dem senate primary is Joe's to lose. He has the power of incumbency, plenty of money, establishment support and of course name recognition. The Dem establishment in DC and CT will claim that supporting Joementum will ensure the Dems have the CT senate seat and defeating Joe will jeapordize the Dem hold on the seat.

Lamont on the other hand is a political unknown but has run a smart campaign so far by trying to mobilize the anti-establishment and progressive activists. I am confident that he is putting together a serious campaign. CT primary voters will be provided a real choice. A Repub-lite incumbent who has only cared about himself or a real Dem candidate that will hold the Repubs accountable and fight for progressive values.

A Lamont win will be a tsunami across the bow of the Dem party establishment. In any case as more Lamont's challenge spineless, weather-vane Dem incumbents and run credible campaigns and offer voters real choices it will do a world of good for the Dem party.

by ab initio 2006-05-02 03:28PM | 0 recs
christ...

enough already... Harry Reid "did this" because Harry Reid wants to be the Senate majority leader.  And in order for Harry Reid to be the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid needs Democratic votes in the senate.  And in order to have Democratic votes in the senate, there have to be Democratic senators elected... and Lieberman is a Democrat, and as such, is a sure-fire Democratic vote on the VAST majority of Democratic issues (more-so than Harry Reid, even on several)... Lieberman is well-liked by his Connecticut ilk, and Ned Lamont is an "unknown", both to Connecticut residents, and to Harry Reid... and thus... Harry Reid doesn't want to fuck with Lamont and possibly have him fuck up in the General election... That is why he "did this".

I'm seriously sick of hearing about Lieberman as our neighborhood boogeyman.  Fine, have a primary... try to kick him out.  I don't like the guy either, and I think he's a putz.  In fact, "screw Lieberman"... as I used to sign off every post... but this primary-run by Lamont is Quixotic at-best, as today's polling results have shown.  We already know the likely outcome (who here wouldn't honestly bet on it if given the chance?)... Lamont will break 40%, and after hundreds of thousands of dollars sent to his campaign... (largely financed by out-of-state financiers)... the following shit will be spewed by the "blogosphere" which I shall sum up in the following 3 words... "We scared Lieberman". (Which may be true, but he'll forget it 6 years later). So, there, I wrote it.  There's your goal, people... "Scare Lieberman". 'cause that's all we're gonna do with this primary.

but after that rant... on to my main point...

The most annoying quote of the post...
"He's making his bed, and he's going to have to live with it.  I hope it's worth it."

As soon as we in "the blogosphere" demonstrate ONE instance (any instance... anywhere...) where we have made our political leaders live to regret going to the center... where we have had an ACTUAL success in getting one of our pet candidates elected... then maybe we can say such things as "you've made your bed, buddy" with chest-thumping bravado... and not look like an idiot.

by NCDem 2006-05-02 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: christ...

Well, ya know Hitler kicked the shit out of everybody he went against at the beginning, so did Lee, so did Napoleon for that matter. So according to you we should just accept that scum like Lieberman can so whatever they want. And this because they won last time...because they have the power of incumbency...because they have money.

Listen bud I think you'll be a lot happier over with the "winners"...the Republicans. Go on over there and defend their "values" yer not needed here.

Was up to you we'd still be living in caves.

And in case you missed it...'the center' is where Bush says he is...

by Pericles 2006-05-02 03:38PM | 0 recs
the world has certainly come full circle...

In case you missed it... I'll repeat...

"Have a primary... try to kick him (Lieberman) out."
"I don't like the guy either."
"I think he's a putz."  
"In fact, "screw Lieberman."

I fail to see how this translates to "we should just accept that scum like Lieberman can so whatever they want." (In fact... I fail to see how THIS translates into anything, come to think of it).

Anyway, Pericles... (can I call you Pericles?).  Zeno and Anaxagorus would have been most displeased after hearing your idiotic argument... You would have failed. Zeno taught Pericles to prepare his arguments, while Anaxagorus taught him to choose his words carefully... In that vein... I say the following.

Don't bother me, moron.

by NCDem 2006-05-02 04:07PM | 0 recs
p.s.

The world has truly come full circle when a Lieberman/Hitler analogy so-easily rolls off the tips of idiots' fingers.  Jerome et al. should kick you off for bringing such disgrace to your own namesake.

by NCDem 2006-05-02 04:10PM | 0 recs
The lefty sphere is two hemispheres...

I'm not following the Lieberman/Lamont with any attention.

But, as a general matter, it does seem that the lefty sphere is apt to act like teenagers when it comes to heroes and villains.

Not all the time, of course. This very blog has, perhaps, more than its fair share of the sphere's cool analysis and logical thinking.

But this coexists with the sort of tulipmaniacal surges in favor of the likes of Hackett and Cegelis, and against the likes of Lieberman and McCurry.

It's the opposite of reality-based. At times (not here, but certainly over at Kos), it takes on the ferocity of a witch-hunt, when some misguided soul dares to take on the CW that X is simply the most splendid human being uncanonised.

Two hemispheres: the rational, open-minded one; and the quasi-Salem.

Anyone short of a psychology/anthropology Ph D topic could do worse than studying the phenomenon.

by skeptic06 2006-05-02 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: christ...

As much as I dislike it, I think you are right on nearly all of the points made here. I do think that the symbolic value of Lamont's resistance can have more powerful ripples than you suggest.

As much as I love Matt's posts, I agree with previous commentators that this one is off-base. Reid had little choice in this situation. How often historically has a senate minority (or majority) leader endorsed a challenger in a democratic primary?

by godotnut 2006-05-02 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: christ...

I'm always skeptical about "symbolic victories"... but I suppose they're victories, nonetheless.

cheers

by NCDem 2006-05-02 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm
I wouldn't sweat this too much - Harry Reid is not going to be the determining factor in the CT race.
And if this is the step needed to preclude JoeMentum running as an independent, it's worth doing.  The worst of all possible worlds would be Lamont winning the primary but losing to Lieberman in the general, who then left the Dem caucus.  
by RickD 2006-05-02 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm

I'm a delegate to the convention and I'll tell you we are all sick to death of hearing from the folks at the top of the party telling us how to vote. In fact they have stopped saying it. Months ago at district meetings we were told we have to support Joe, for XYZ reasons to do with money. Now they just don't say anything.

I think people in this state see the hand writing on the wall.

Progress.

by JJonMyDD 2006-05-02 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman...

If anybody has made a case that the Lamont challenge might somehow throw Lieberman's Senate seat to the Republicans I have not seen it. This is about war.  The Democratic Party should stand against this war.  Politics should be about the big things.  It's not about scaring Joe, it is about making it clear that there is a political price to be paid for supporting discretionary disaster of a war.  

by howardpark 2006-05-02 03:41PM | 0 recs
No, the case is

that Lieberman might throw Lieberman's seat to the Reeps. He has demonstrated no loyalty to the Dems whatsoever.

by catastrophile 2006-05-02 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: No, the case is

He would not do that, especially as he would try to position himself as a 2008 Democratic running mate or a Cabinet position should a Democrat win in the next Presidential election.  He may also consider running for Governor, but I doubt he would support a Republican in the Senate race.

Although Lieberman's position on the war is reprehensible, I do not believe his unfounded position automically translate into support for a Republican candidate in the 2006 Senate race should he lose.  Yes, he must be defeated, and Reid at least foreclosed Lieberman's ability to run as a third party candidate.  And yes, I do believe Reid's endorsement will in the end prove to be nugatory.    

by illinois062006 2006-05-02 04:10PM | 0 recs
METONYM!!!!

Back from your hiatus!  Good to see you and your thesaurus!

by NCDem 2006-05-02 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: METONYM!!!!

I just rose from a short nap, and I do not use reference material when typing my comments.  And I am not sure who metonym is.  Perhaps you should refrain from trying to tie me to this fictional character you incessantly invoke.

by illinois062006 2006-05-02 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: METONYM!!!!

Now Metonym... please don't make me learn how to link to all of our old unfriendly comments here.  It would be inappropriate. I was trying to be nice, Metonym, Ph.D.-to-be in (must be less-than, now!) two years and say "hello".  

by NCDem 2006-05-02 04:24PM | 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Lieberman's gonna win

anyway . . . but the threat is that he could do what Jeffords did and decide to caucus with the other team, effectively switching parties without officially doing so. The Reeps would welcome his support and he could just as easily position himself to be McCain's VP candidate . . . At the very least, this is a threat Lieberman could credibly make, and Reid could credibly cave to it.

by catastrophile 2006-05-02 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: No, the case is

That's not at all true.  He's a sellout for sure, but he's a certain vote for the vast majority of your/my interests.  Being a sellout to Hannity and Bush may trump all the rest of that... but to say that he's demonstrated zero loyalty to the Dems is a joke.

by NCDem 2006-05-02 04:13PM | 0 recs
I guess we have

different definitions of 'loyalty' . . . the man was the 2000 Dem VP candidate, and is therefore a de facto leader in the party, and yet he not only introduced the Iraq War resolution, but he's out there attacking other Dems. Loyalty in my book doesn't mean siding with somebody except when it's not convenient.

At this point I should note I wouldn't call myself particularly loyal to the Dems either . . . they're just the best opposition party we've got at the moment.

by catastrophile 2006-05-02 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I guess we have

I agree with your last statement.  How does it feel to be coerced?

by illinois062006 2006-05-02 04:41PM | 0 recs
SENATOR Reid's job

is to get a majority in the senate. That means making sure a democrat gets elected in connecticut. You also have to stop and think that maybe, just maybe, having been there a while, they are friends.

The blogosphere needs to stop thinking that the democrats are wrong on anything that isn't what people on blogs think should happen. If Senator Reid thinks of Lieberman as a friend and knows he can count on him when he needs him, then I'd rather him stand up for him than cowtail to the blogosphere.

by PHDinNYC4Kerry 2006-05-02 05:27PM | 0 recs
by global yokel 2006-05-02 05:32PM | 0 recs
Please

He's making his bed, and he's going to have to live with it.

That's nearly a bushism. Ending a hackneyed phrase with a second, unexpected, hackneyed phrase rarely makes it fresh.

by Bill Rehm 2006-05-02 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm

Reid is doing his job and doing what he should do. I'd vote for Lamont in the primary if I were a Connecticut voter, but I'm not the Senate minority leader. The job of the Senate minority leader (and of the House minority leader) is to support the actual elected Dems, even the annoying ones, in the service of eventually becoming majority leader of a majority party. True turncoats, fake Dems who vote GOP on everything important, like Henry Cuellar, perhaps don't deserve this kind of support-- but iffy, annoying, "centrist," hypocritical Dems like Lieberman in fact do deserve this kind of support-- it's in Reid's job description. Remember, he was voted Senate minority leader by the Dems in the Senate; that's who he serves. Vote for Lamont, but don't take your frustration out on Reid.

by accommodatingly 2006-05-02 07:09PM | 0 recs
Harry Reid just SUCKERED Lieberman

So for an "endorsement" that won't net Joementum a single extra vote in the primary, Reid got Holy Joe to promise not to run as an independent after he loses.

What am I missing?

by Jim in Chicago 2006-05-02 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid just SUCKERED Lieberman

Why would Lieberman keep this promise? Really? Seriously? He wants power.

by MNPundit 2006-05-02 07:28PM | 0 recs
Would he have a choice?

Lieberman's promise keeps him in the primary (remember, he was threatening to jump ship BEFORE the primary). With the primary not until August, would Lieberman even be able to get on the ballot as an independent for November? What is the deadline to file for "third" party bids in  Connecticut?

by Jim in Chicago 2006-05-02 10:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman...

I have to disagree with your outrage, Matt, though I understand where it comes from.  "Politics make for strange bedfellows," so the saying goes.  Reid has to make deals like this, it's part of the game as a senator as well as the minority leader.  If he has actually traded his endorsement for Lieberman's agreement to not pursue an independent campaign, COOL!  The only way Lieberman can gather petition signatures for an independent campaign in the event that he loses the primary is to collect them while also running in the primary.  If the reported agreement is real, then any effort on his part to begin to collect signatures automatically frees Reid to pull his endorsement.  Reid will feel obligation to support the leading primary candidate Lamont (this is the only reason Lieberman would pursue an independent campaign: Lamont is leading in the polls).  As I write this, I realize that this is GENIUS on Reid's part.  Meanwhile, the real game is not his endorsement but the results of the state convention.  I expect that a strong showing, if not endorsement, for Lamont will spur growing voter interest in him and away from Lieberman.  So let's focus on Connecticutt, the convention, and the primary.  Let Reid be.

by Phonatic 2006-05-03 12:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman...

There are a lot of people in bed with each other but the alarm sounded a long time ago.  It is past time to getup!

by Druthers 2006-05-03 01:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman...

Methinks thou dost protest too much Matt.

Yes it's very disappointing that Alito is on the Supreme Court, but what do you expect when Bush is president and the Republicans have a 10 seat majority in the Senate. They Dems could not block every Bush nominee coming down the pike.

Reid's move looks to be quite Machiavellian to me. It's not like Reid's support will bring many more votes to Lieberman. And now if Lamont pulls off an upset Reid will have to endorse him and the party will too.

PS Your constant black and white framing is tiring. Politicians don't just fit into the 'whores' or 'angels' categories.

by marksist 2006-05-03 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Harry Reid Shills for Lieberman... And Lieberm

Boy, if you are going to get all fired up over Harry freakin Reid endorsing Lieberman, you better start stocking up on the beta blockers. Harry Reid is one of the most conservative members of the Democratic caucus, clearly to the right of Lieberman. Just wait until senators like Kennedy, Feingold, and Boxer show up to endorse Joe. Those kinds of endorsements are the primary currency of Senate power within a caucus. If Joe needs them, they'll come (actually, I seriously doubt he needs them, but you never know).

by ColoDem 2006-05-03 07:24AM | 0 recs

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