Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part One: Second Choices

Considering the interviews I have given over the past two months, it has grown pretty clear to me that these straw polls are news worthy polls in an of themselves. However, as I mentioned before, there really isn't anyway for the MyDD straw poll to compete with the Dailykos straw poll. Dailykos has the long-term trendlines, stretching back to June, because Markos has used a stable set of candidates. Dailykos has a much larger sample size and, because the poll is only open for a single day, it is more ore less immune to large-scale poll stuffing. Further, because the results of the MyDD straw polls were nearly identical to the Dailykos polls (at least before the stuffing set in), I had a little crisis back in February where I struggled to find a justification for continuing the MyDD straw poll. Why was it still relevant? What could MyDD offer that the Dailykos straw poll did not already provide and surpass? How could MyDD still play a role in this important activity?

The answer, I eventually decided, was instant run-off. While Dailykos has the trend-lines and the more reliable results, because we had been using DemoChoice for our polls on MyDD, I realized it would be possible to learn not just who Dailykos and MyDD readers had for their first choice in 2008, but also who they had as their second, third, fourth, and even last choices. So, I contacted Markos and set up a link exchange where we agreed tos end our readers to each other's poll from now on. Then, I contacted the DemoChoice people, who were nice enough to offer me the raw data from our poll. Next, I selected roughly the first 1,000 results from the MYDD poll, so as to eliminate any stuffing from the equation, and to develop a representative sample of participants in the poll (the results in the MyDD poll after 1,000 participants were nearly identical to the results in the Dailykos poll after 14,000 participants). Finally, my brother Andy set up a database for that data, where it became possible for me to sort the candidate rankings almost any way imageable.

Now, I am proud to say, I can tell you all of the internals from the Dailykos / MyDD straw poll that you could every hope to learn. Ever wonder who Feingold supporters like second best? Ever wonder if Clark supporters prefer Edwards to Warner? Well, I can tell you all that. In fact, I am going to tell you all of that right now.
March 20-21, 1036 readers of Dailykos and MyDD

Overall (First Choice + Second Choice = Total)
Feingold: 48% + 20% = 68%
Clark: 15% + 22% = 37%
Warner: 12% + 14% = 26%
Edwards: 7% + 16% = 23%
Other: 3% + 10% = 13%
Unsure: 4% + 3% = 7%
Clinton: 2% + 4% = 6%
Richardson: 2% + 4% = 6%
Kerry 1% + 3% = 4%
Biden: 1% + 2% = 3%
Bayh: 1% + 2% = 3%
Daschle: 0% + 1% = 1%
Vilsack: 0% + 0% = 0%
(Notes: The "first choice" results are from the Dailykos poll of 14,000 readers, while the "second choice" resutls are from the first 1,036 results in the MyDD poll. I chose that number at random. Those votes were cast in less than two hours, and thus were generally stuff-proof.)

Clark narrowly leads the second choice poll, with 22% of all second choice ballots. Feingold comes in second with 20%. Edwards does remarkably well among second choice voters, with 16%. He even passes Warner, who has 14% of second-choice votes.

The overall numbers are particularly eye-popping. Feingold was either the first or second choice of more than two-thirds of all respondents. 85% of poll participants put either Feingold or Clark in their top two choices. Perhaps most remarkably of all, of the 1,036 participants in this sample, 977 or over 94%, put at least one of Clark, Feingold, Edwards and Warner in their top two choices. Only 24 people, or 2%, made a ticket composed entirely from Bayh, Biden, Clinton, Daschle, Kerry, Richardson, and Vilsack. There is a clear consensus online, and that consensus is that we want one of Feingold, Clark, Warner or Edwards on the Democratic ticket in 2008.

That finding, I believe, is news-worthy in and of itself. However, if that isn't enough for you, I also have the second-place choices for supporters of every single candidate:

Feingold supporters
Clark: 33%, Edwards 22%, Warner 15%

Clark Supporters
Feingold 41%, Warner 15%, Edwards 8%

Warner Supporters
Feingold 25%, Edwards 20%, Clark 17%

Edwards Supporters
Feingold 41%, Warner 21%, Clark 10%

"Other" Supporters
Feingold 51%, Clark 14%, Edwards 8%, Warner 8%

Clinton Supporters
Feingold 30%, Warner 15%, Clark 12%, Kerry 12%

Unsure / No Freaking Clue
Feingold 29%, Edwards 18%, Clark, Other and Warner: 12%

Everyone else in this poll has fewer than twenty supporters, so breaking down their second-place options becomes meaningless. It may surprise people that Feingold is main second choice for supporters of every other candidate, though his support is stronger among some supporters than others. The reason Clark had the overall most second-place votes is that Feingold secured nearly 50% of all the first place votes in the poll. If one were to look only at the possible universe of second place votes each candidate could have potentially received, Feingold would be in front:
  • Feingold received 38% of second place votes for which he was eligible

  • Clark received 25% of second place votes for which he was eligible

  • Edwards received 16% of second place votes for which he was eligible

  • Warner received 16% of second place votes for which he was eligible

  • "Other" received 10% of second place votes for which it was eligible
It is also interesting to note how well Clark, Edwards and Warner did among non-Feingold supporters. Feingold supporters really liked Clark and Edwards, but if those second place votes are removed from the equation, Warner is actually the top second choice result. Outside of Feingold supporters, Warner received 13% of second place votes, while Clark and Edwards received 11%. Feingold received 38% of the second-place votes outside of Feingold supporters.

Overall, what does this data tell us about the netroots and 2008? Here are my thoughts:
  • As I mentioned above, it is all Feingold, Clark, Edwards and Warner. None of the other current potential candidates have anything going for them online. Only 2% of all poll participants picked a first-second choice combination composed entirely from these seven candidates: Bayh, Biden, Clinton, Dsachle, Kerry, Richardson and Vilsack.

  • Feingold's support is extremely broad. As the second-choice of supporters of every other candidate, he seems to appeal to netroots activists of every type.

  • Even though he already has nearly a majority online, Feingold still equals Clark's potential for upward movement.

  • "Other," by which most people probably mean Al Gore, would clearly be a player online if he made any move toward running whatsoever.

  • Feingold's support might be overstated, considering that the poll was conducted only one week after he introduced the censure resolution. The May / June poll will tell us more.
Truly fascinating info. You can actually crawl through it yourself if you like. The data can be found here, and the password is y97bthaq. If anyone here ever doubted there was poll stuffing on behalf of Clark, just scroll down to the bottom of the data and you can see it in plain view for yourself. For those interested in full disclosure, my ballot was the very first one cast, and as such can be found at the top of the data file. I often switch around my choices after the first three, but I've grown pretty set on those first three. Also, I am not paid by any elected official, PAC, or campaign committee. In fact, to date I have never been paid by any elected official, PAC, or campaign committee in my entire life.

Hopefully tomorrow, I can have the "last place" choices data sorted. For a political numbers junkie like me, this is awesome.

Tags: 2008, Democrats, netroots, Straw polls (all tags)

Comments

24 Comments

Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

I'll tell you another reason to keep the MyDD straw poll.

A number of people don't read DailyKos anymore (including myself). It's become too unwieldy and I find MyDD more informative about the 2006 elections anyway.

by adamterando 2006-04-03 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part
Well, Dailykos trafic is flat, and our is up, but even so Dailykos has 30 times as many readers as MyDD. It is still the centerpiece.
by Chris Bowers 2006-04-03 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

Yes. Unbelievable.

</End DailyKos/Armando joke>

by adamterando 2006-04-03 09:28AM | 0 recs
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how do you read the data?   who is what number?  i assume each line is one person's choices in order.  but if the number corresponds to the first one listed, bayh, 2 biden, 3 clark, etc.  That doesn't exactly make sense either...just a little help please!

by JAmbro 2006-04-03 08:10AM | 0 recs
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I had the same confusion, but I figured it out. The candidates are listed in order by number, but the first candidate (Bayh) is zero, not one. Which is kinda what I think, but anyway... When you look at the data with this ordering it makes sense, all the sixes (Feingold) in first place.

At first I was really alarmed when I thought Chris had voted for Daschle as his second choice.

by taliesin 2006-04-03 08:37AM | 0 recs
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It's zero-based.  0 is Bayh, 1 is Biden, 2 is Clark, etc.

by fwiffo 2006-04-03 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll

Chris, you have 10% of Edwards voters picking Edwards as their second choice also.  I think that is someone elses 10%, maybe Clark?  Excellent analysis here.  This is definitely the kind of stuff I look to MYDD for.  Thanks for all the number crunching.  

by Demo Dan in Dayton 2006-04-03 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll
Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed!
by Chris Bowers 2006-04-03 08:26AM | 0 recs
Just what I wanted to know.

Just after the seeing the most recent poll I thought to myself that I should ask you to get the very information that you got to do this diary. I think I forgot to do it because I had another comment somewhere to make first. Thanks. Awesome capabilities with IRV.

by Jeff Wegerson 2006-04-03 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

Unless "other" is Dr. Dean

by sixteenwords 2006-04-03 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

When I mark other, it's Dean.  Not that I hate Gore... but it's always

dean -> feingold -> gore

by teknofyl 2006-04-03 10:50AM | 0 recs
I have a question

These are poll results for primarily Dem activists who follow issues and politics very closely. Clearly Hillary Clinton is the leader among the majority of Dems based on the national polls but I suspect that is based largely on name recognition and the fact that most people aren't really focussing on 2008 yet.

Does anyone know if polls of activists have been predictive of how the majority of Dems will vote once all Dems begin to focus on the nominee for 2008?  I don't necessarily mean predictive by absolute numbers (e.g. percent supporting Feingold versus percent supporting Clinton) but predictive in how candidates are ranked relative to each other.

by Alvord 2006-04-03 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

I've got a couple questions...  I'm honestly trying to understand some people's choices.

For Edwards supporters - why?  I'm going to use some insulting language to describe how I feel about him, but I really feel like I'm totally missing something, so please don't take me for a troll or something.  He always struck me as the left's equivalent of Dan Quayle, but more smarmy.  He's like as a cross between a local news weatherman and a used car salesman.  I'm not trying to be a jerk (and I know I'm using jerk-esqe language), I just can't fathom why he's as popular as he is.

For Clinton supporters - do you really think the Democrats can credibly run a pro-war candidate in 2008?

by fwiffo 2006-04-03 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

I'm an Edwards fan, so I'll take a stab.  Every once in a while, I feel like Edwards comes off as you describe, like a used car salesman.  But more often, I feel like he's the real deal, a guy who got into this because he cares.  I don't think anyone pours his life into fighting poverty if he's just a salesman.  As for the Quayle comparisons, I'm going to guess you are referring to his youthful looks, because he's a hell of a lot smarter than Mr. Potatoe Head.

by ZamboniGuy 2006-04-03 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

To be fair as well, Bill Clinton came off as a Used Car Salesman and Smarmy as well sometimes.  But we still loved the guy.  I think Edwards above all else has that type of charm... maybe not to the level Bill did, but definately more than Kerry.  Plus i think KNOWING his trial lawyer past may plant the slimy lawyer thought in a lot of peoples' heads just out of pure habit.  

by yitbos96bb 2006-04-03 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

My comparison with Quayle mostly had to do with both of their limited time in actual political office.  Of course, as Quayle so famously said, the same was true of JFK (who is another pretty-boy who I think was pretty overrated).

As far as Bill Clinton, well I felt pretty much the same way about him, but he was demonstrably good at politics, which is something that can't be said (at least so far) about John Edwards.

by fwiffo 2006-04-04 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

But to compare their records makes no sense.

I'm not sure what you consider short but I don't think Kennedy had a short service record... He was a 2 term senator (granted he only served 1 full term), and he also was a three term congressman.  So he served in Washington from 1946 to 1960 in COngress...

Quayle meanwhile was a 2 term Rep (76 and 78) and a two term senator (although again, he only served 1 full term.  So he had 12 years before the VP nod.  

I always took Quayle comparing himself to JFK as one of a rapid rise in the party (which was a fair statement) rather than say their service records were short, but that is just opinion.  The Benson zinger still stands as one of the best of all time however.  :-)

Edwards meanwhile served less than 1 term as a senator before he ran for President.  Gore had him shortlisted after only 2 years of service (although I still think Gore picked the wrong guy... Edwards or Kerry (both shortlisters) would have been better), but he really has a far cry less than JFK or Quayle.

by yitbos96bb 2006-04-04 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

And to be fair to Dan Qualye, he was actually a an intelligent book smart guy (with the exception of spelling... unfortunately, our schools are turning out a lot of peopel like that now.)... he just lacked common and political sense AND had the ability to put his foot in his mouth WAY TOO OFTEN.  I will still never forget the Murphy Brown thing... It was made all that much better when they responded on the show...

by yitbos96bb 2006-04-03 11:35AM | 0 recs
I like Edwards' Populist stance

Edwards is willing to talk about the problems of and solutions to poverty. Health, Jobs, Education, SS... these are the bedrock issues of the Democratic Party, whether or not the Iraq war builds or eases.

Yes, I think the Republicans are vulnerable on the war, but they can also manipulate the issue: Announce big troop withdrawals in October; Drop a missile into Iran on Nov 1; Talk patriotic after a new terrorist strike.

The Democratic coalition consists primarily of people motivated by Liberal and Economic issues. Liberal plays quite well for the Party in many states, but in the South Liberal issues carry half the persuasion.

Economic issues are important country-wide, and are part of the long-term Democratic brand. They unite Democrats of many different categories: Liberals, Disadvantaged, Rust-belt and and the South.

by MetaData 2006-04-03 10:01AM | 0 recs
A Candidate who voted for the AUMF

the short answer is yes a candidate who voted for the AUMF could run credibly* under certain circumstances.  

Describing any candidate who voted to authorize the AUMF as "Pro War" is an unfair cheap shot and in a debate you would get verbally knocked out if you tried it. Most people would recognize it as a cheap shot and you'd lose points with the crowd with the backlash.

Please note: I support Feingold NOT HRC. I will not refuse to vote for her in a general election, but unless something awfully weird happens, I can think of a couple of candidates I am more likely to support in the primaries.

* with the exception of Joe Lieberman.

by molly bloom 2006-04-03 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: A Candidate who voted for the AUMF

A lot of Democratic senators who voted for the AUMF have since said it was a mistake or modified their stance.  AFAIK, HRC is not one of them.

by fwiffo 2006-04-04 11:24AM | 0 recs
True, but that wasn't the question

HRC has made some noises about the vote, but she hasn't done a John Edwards (yet). Its one of the reasons I have trouble with her. I am trying to be fair to all the potential candidates, but as I said, for now I lean Feingold (though would vote for Gore version 3.0 or Dean over Feingold).

by molly bloom 2006-04-04 02:49PM | 0 recs
The MyDD Political Universe

Showing us the first, second and third choice voting tells us more about the political choices of the people who read MyDD and Daily Kos. Judging from your analysis, combined with the general tone of MyDD & Kos commentary, I'll take a small risk and suggest this corner of the Blogosphere is heavily dominated by Liberal/Progressive values.

While there are other imortant philosophies, committed liberals make up a large component of people who self-identify as Dem supporters (33-66% depending on which part of the country). I am confident that Democratic Party rank-and-file activists are a bit more liberal than that. It seems to be the politicians, Party power-brokers and strategists who wish to take a more conservative position.

MyDD & DK have a powerful role to play in bringing liberal/progressive people together, in setting "conventional wisdom" for the left-side of the Dems, providing pressure on Party hacks who aren't aware of changes going on with the rank-and-file.

Finally, we are in a strong position for creating buzz about the political viability of various candidates.

by MetaData 2006-04-03 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Underneath the March / April Straw Poll, Part

I pushed the numbers into my Mac multivariate data visualization tool, Data Stripes; here's what it looks like.

You can very easily see where the ballot stuffing begins.

by carlmanaster 2006-04-03 07:01PM | 0 recs

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