The Moral of Box Turtle Ben: Don't Appease the Right-wing

So Ben's resigned.  What is the moral of the story?  Don't appease the right-wing anymore or you are not a journalist.  That's the essence of Digby's excellent post.

Journalists and editors should no longer appease the right-wing.  It doesn't matter if it's hiring Ben Domenech or listening as Bush tries to convince you of the link between 9/11 and Saddam or that Iraq is now named 'flowers and candy land', journalists should no longer listen to the right-wing.  Ken Mehlman's statements about Russ Feingold wanting to surrender to terrorists are no longer part of your story.  Period.  The idea that the media is hiding the good news in Iraq is not a story.  Period.

Do not appease the right-wing.  When you do, and when you treat the conservative movement as if they are a legitimate source of information, you end up with WMDs in Iraq, 9/11 linked to Saddam, or on a small scale, an unethical racist trashing the brand of the Washington Post and the career of Jim Brady.

Stop appeasing the right-wing.  It's bad for you.

Tags: Ben Domenech, Media, Washington Post (all tags)

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25 Comments

Appeasing Nazis Doesn't Work!

Just ask Neville Chamberlain.

Now it's time for a little pushback!  Which one of the lefty bloggers deserves a WP gig?

by Phoenix Woman 2006-03-24 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Appeasing Nazis Doesn't Work!
none, unless they also happen to be educated journalists.
-Synthesis
by synthesis 2006-03-24 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: The Moral of Box Turtle Ben: Don't Appease the

Avoid appeasing the rightwing?  Unfortunately it's ingrained in their system.

by patachon 2006-03-24 09:26AM | 0 recs
One RS reaction to Stoller

From RedHot-

NEWS FLASH [Clayton]
Matt Stoller at MyDD is now done with Ben Domenech. Apparently he's served his purpose. He's now moved on to Erick in his neverending quest to discredit Redstate and shut us down.
Posted at 03/24/2006 12:15:51 PM EST

Nice, I didn't even know that Matt Stoller had a mission in life!

(just kidding about that last sentence)

by RBH 2006-03-24 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: One RS reaction to Stoller

Nice find!

by Matt Stoller 2006-03-24 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: The Moral of Box Turtle Ben

At Agitprop, we suggested Ben plagiarize this ...

by blogenfreude 2006-03-24 09:29AM | 0 recs
Someone to fill Ben Domenech Shoes

Maybe George Deutsch is available.

by patachon 2006-03-24 09:37AM | 0 recs
The MSM stop appeasing the rightwing?

Sign the entire MSM up for a 12 step plan just to deal with the withdrawal syptoms they'd be experiencing.

They would have to relearn skills that have atrophied:actually investigating news and doing research.

They are too used to simply phoning the rightwing think tanks who provide them with "research"already prettily packaged for dissemination, right wing commentators which give their pieces "balance"... I could go on and on

Essentailly they would have to work again and earn their pay.

It won't happen.

by merbex 2006-03-24 09:37AM | 0 recs
I'm sure you were just in a rush...

...but I think it's the connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam that's imaginary (as you stated later), not the connection between 9/11 and Al Qaeda.

by nate pdx 2006-03-24 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sure you were just in a rush...

Thanks...

by Matt Stoller 2006-03-24 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: The Moral of Box Turtle Ben: Don't Appease the

The U.S. Media is a joke these days.

They portray Democrats as inept and actionless because we seem unable to change Republican policy even though we don't control a single branch of the federal government.

Then, when we do fervently speak out in opposition or introduce a censure motion, we have gone too far.

So, we are fucked if we do, and fucked if we don't.

Its kind of depressing to read the WaPo online chats these days because these so-called journalists basically answer anti-bush questions by saying nothing.  Go through the transcripts and you will see their most common answer is "that is interesting" or "I don't know."

by agpc 2006-03-24 09:44AM | 0 recs
I'd make your statement even simpler...

Don't trust the right wing.

by palamedes 2006-03-24 09:48AM | 0 recs
Piling on

I'm no supporter of plagiarism.  When people use as their own the words others have taken the time to string together, it should be revealed as a spot on their character.

But you're using guilt by association and empty, increasingly banal charges of racism to try to remove voices from the public square -- voices which sound increasingly rational by comparison.

by lheal 2006-03-24 09:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Piling on

But you're using guilt by association and empty, increasingly banal charges of racism to try to remove voices from the public square -- voices which sound increasingly rational by comparison.

Actually it was the Washington Post that fired the guy.  Stoller has nothing to do with the emploment practices of the Washington Post.

Your inability to realize this simple fact leads me to doubt your ability to judge voices as 'rational'.

by patachon 2006-03-24 10:05AM | 0 recs
huh?

Actually it was the Washington Post that fired the guy.  Stoller has nothing to do with the emploment practices of the Washington Post.

The MyDD story that started this thread called for journalists to ignore all conservatives because one conservative blogger plagiarized.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I thought I was reading, and responding to, the Washington Post.

by lheal 2006-03-24 10:39AM | 0 recs
And I would add

"The truth is, a more responsible teenager would've nipped this sort of thing in the bud. A less sloppy writer would have made sure that material copied from other places never made it into a published piece, and never necessitated apologies or explanations that will do nothing to stop the critics. I was wrong not to do so."

So "plagiarism" may in fact be too strong a word as well.

by lheal 2006-03-24 10:47AM | 0 recs
NY Times photo caption

The front page of the on-line New York Times features a story about Democratic chances for picking up enough seats to reclaim the House.
The caption under the picture including the phrase revenge of the "mommy party."

Some liberal standard bearers, we got.  

Incidentally, the rest of the Times article sucked as well. The writer, Robin Tone, stated that the outcome depended on 20 or so seats, mostly ones running Democratic women.  That, s/he wrote, is conventional wisdom.

And now for something completely different ...
what's with the box turtle?  I did see where a 250 year old giant tortoise died at an Indian zoo.  The animal made it to India to become the pet of Robert Clive, the guy who made India for a century and a half an English colony.

Ben and his friends can't outlast the giant tortoise.  Sometimes I wonder if they could out think the giant tortoise.  

by David Kowalski 2006-03-24 11:45AM | 0 recs
Box Turtle

The "Box Turtle" comment is based on a speech Domenech wrote for John "Can't Wait to Get Rid of Him in 2008" Cornyn.  The speech contained line comparing gay marriage to marrying a box turtle.  Cornyn didn't actually use the line when he delivered the speech, but it was in the printed text.

And Atrios or somebody discovered that Domenech, yes, you guessed it, stole that line from a commenter on his own blog.

by maestroanonymo 2006-03-24 11:21PM | 0 recs
Re: The Moral of Box Turtle Ben: Don't Appease the

The lesson is that The Washington Post got hoodwinked into hiring a phony. It says nothing more than that. There is plenty of phoniness on the liberal web. The political Internet in general is a fact-free, ethics-free and dialogue-free zone. It serves as a megaphone for partisans and not a lot more than that.

by cwilson 2006-03-24 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: The Moral of Box Turtle Ben: Don't Appease the

The thing is, though, that this was a phony intimately connected to the current right wing.  He was hired by Bush and John Cornyn; he edited the books of Michelle Malkin and Hugh Hewitt; he co-founded Redstate.  He is a representative of the current state of mainstream right-wing opinion writing.  The point is that real journalistic outlets should have absolutely nothing to do with these people. They are not journalists; they hate journalism and would do anything to bring down the very idea of good journalism.  What they want is propaganda, and Domenech was a rising star in the propaganda machine.

Does that mean that a conservative writer has no place at the Post?  Of course not.  They've already got plenty of conservatives anyway (as opposed to Regnery-style propagandists).  But if you appease the Domenech types, you are appeasing enemies of journalism; people who literally want to destroy real journalism.  Forget it.

by maestroanonymo 2006-03-24 11:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The Moral of Box Turtle Ben: Don't Appease the

That's a fair comment, actually. I guess I'd say that hiring ANY blogger is a pretty bad idea if you're The Washington Post or The New York Times or the rest. It would be just as bad if they hired, say, Aravosis or the guy who founded Daily Kos. None of them are journalists and they are bound to screw up.

If those outlets want to have blogs, they should come from their journalistic staff not the other way around. Bloggers don't make good journalists. Doesn't matter what their political slant is.

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