VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

George Allen, a dull man who incessantly uses football metaphors, was considered unbeatable a few years ago.  Now the mythical conventional wisdom makers have decided that it's a race.  The primary on the Dem side is quite interesting, as it's showing that aside from the moderate-liberal fight in the party, there's also a populist-insider fight.  James Webb, a former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, is fighting with Harris Miller, a tech lobbyist, for the Democratic nomination.  The Washington Post's Robert Barnes has a nice article about the race:

The 60-year-old former Marine has a complicated résumé for die-hard Democratic voters to sort through: Republican Capitol Hill staffer; Reagan administration official; supporter of Robb against Oliver L. North in the Senate campaign of 1994; supporter of Allen against Robb in the Senate campaign of 2000. He has had kind words for those who fought for the Confederacy; unkind words for the Clinton administration, which he called "corrupt"; and now says that Allen has no accomplishments and that George W. Bush is no Ronald Reagan.

"I am like a huge percentage of people in this country, where I've had trouble with both political parties over the years," he said. "But when you look at the future . . . in my view, the answers to the problems in America come from the traditions of the Democratic Party."

Webb, who lives in Falls Church, took his time before deciding to join the race, egged on by a "Draft Webb" Web site on which followers post rhapsodic reviews of Webb's military expertise and leadership potential.

While Webb was making up his mind, Miller jumped in, and the result is an interesting (for political junkies) split among the consultant class that has helped produce Virginia's last two Democratic statewide victories.

Former governor Mark R. Warner took a break from his own potential presidential wanderings to attend a fundraiser for Miller on Tuesday night; aides say that Warner agreed to attend when Miller, of Fairfax County, was the only Democrat in the race and that his presence is not an endorsement. Miller's team is led by consultant Mo Elleithee, who has worked for both Warner and Kaine, and his pollster is Geoffrey Garin, who polled for Warner.

Webb has enlisted Steve Jarding and David "Mudcat" Saunders, who made their names as the architects of the rural-urban strategy that got Warner elected in 2001, and his pollster is Peter Brodnitz, whom Kaine counted on to take the public's pulse last year.

Miller's supporters describe him as being in the moderate mold of Warner; more than one Democrat has said Webb's candidacy is more intriguing but is "high-risk, high-reward." For his part, Kaine says he's glad that Democrats have enough candidates willing to take on the uphill battle against Allen to make a primary.

I met Mark Warner briefly once, and I really couldn't distinguish him from any other political candidate.  It was at what he calls a 'Happy Hour with a Purpose', a townhall-style event that takes place in a bar and without as much speechifying as a normal political event.  He gets credit for understanding that what is exciting about politics is not the speeches, but the social interactions and sense of comraderie that emerges from public discourse.  That this race is taking place in Virginia, and that he is involved here, is quite interesting.

I don't know that much about Webb or Miller, so these are just impressions.  Miller strikes me as a Kaine-type centrist - the guy was a lobbyist after all.  He seems to be running on competence.  Webb by contrast is kind of an old school Southern populist who is seeking to bring working class votes back into the Democratic Party with an attack on economic and political elites.  I read his Born Fighting book a few years ago, and I enjoyed it.

The whole dynamic here is strange and interesting, and I'm curious to see where it goes.

Tags: Harris Miller, James Webb, mark warner, Virginia (all tags)

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43 Comments

Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Okay, so the primary is a choice between "low-risk and mediocre results" and "high-risk/high-reward"?

I'll take my chances on Webb, thank you.  Unless someone else can tell me how Miller is going to fire up working-class Virginians.  I'm all ears for that one.

by HellofaSandwich 2006-03-11 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Webb, hands down.

I just don't see how Miller will be able to fire people up except to depend on a strong dislike of Bush and George Allen.  Webb actually will get people who are excited about him.

by LoganFerree 2006-03-11 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Southern populists, old style or otherwise, do not generally invoke Ronald Reagan, as Webb did.

People do not know much about Webb as thus far he has turned down the opportunity to appear before any local Democratic committee. He also sat out every single special election we have had since November, including one right here in Fairfax County where he lives.

So, we will just have to see.

by Alice Marshall 2006-03-11 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

"So, we will just have to see."

We will. You won't. You made your decision months ago.

And people don't know much about Webb? Give me a goddamn break. He's written 6 books, had a book partially written about him, and his web site has multiple articles authored by him. For better or worse, it's all there.

And Ronald Reagan, despite being a scumbag, knew how to appeal to military men. He wanted an expansion of the military when prominent democrats were adamantly against that. His talk about the "noble mission" in Vietnam resonated with men who wanted to feel their sacrifices counted for something. After Carter's terrible move to grant amnesty to draft dodgers, no honest person can say that RR didn't have any appeal to people like Webb. That's what Webb was talking about.

by JRyan 2006-03-11 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Tim Kaine and Mark Warner both won statewide elections without mentioning Ronald Reagan.

The last Democrat to have mentioned Ronald Reagan was Mary Sue Terry. It was not a success.

by Alice Marshall 2006-03-12 03:56AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Mark Warner won for various reasons, including his rural appeal, but mostly because of his money. Kaine also won for various reasons, but mostly because of Mark Warner.

I don't think I have to tell you that Webb is a unique guy/candidate.

by JRyan 2006-03-12 06:31AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

It seems to me that a lot of the Reagan Democrats were from the South and a fair number of them have a better opinion of Reagan than they do of Dubya.

by LoganFerree 2006-03-11 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

"It's time for a lot of people to come back to the Democratic party." - James Webb.

This is why he wins, because he will bring them back.  There were Reagan Dems.  Welcome to the era of Webb Republicans, and the era of Blue State Virginia.  Just in time for redistricting in 2010.

If canididates like Webb can deliver purple states like Arkansas, Florida, NC, and Virginia
for the Dems we could be on the brink of a new era of American politics.

The Republican party has doomed itself to hardline right-wing extremism and the nation is pissed.  The ~35% who support the embattled President are the same ~35% who Identified themselves as "Conservatives" after the 2004 election.  The 21% "Liberals" and 44% "Moderates" form a "progressive" majority which can endure through the 21st centry.  

The Clinton voters have a home in the Dem party, but the perot voters are all with the Republicans.  We can reclaim them with the help of candidates like James Webb if we can only have the guts to step up and represent their interests.

by 5oclockshadow 2006-03-12 04:40PM | 0 recs
by Alice Marshall 2006-03-11 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

One factor: Virginia will have a primary to determine the outcome but there is not an established tradition of primaries in the state.  Often the nominees for US Senate have been determined at a party convention.  The result is that Virginia primaries often have very, very low turnouts.  The primary in 2005 to determine state races for local delegate slots and the Lt. Gov. nomination had a turnout of something like 7% for BOTH party primaries -- 7% TOTAL, not for each one.

Anyway, the Webb campaign is getting going and I don't think the primary will be close but anything can happen in a low turnout race.  I'm for Webb and would love to hear anyone lay out a credible scenario for how Harris Miller beats Allen given that Miller he has the "lobbyist" label and appears less than dynamic.  Webb, by contrast, is a sort of a dream candidate which gives me a little pause -- if someone is too good to be true, well...  

May the best candidate win and populism sometimes wins in the south for Democrats.  Everyone that I know who has met and heard Webb comes away with raves, more than any politician in recent memory.  Webb is a star and some are, yes, already dreaming of higher office for him.  THAT is way premature but if he knocks off Allen I'll enlist in a Draft Webb in 2012 movement!

by howardpark 2006-03-11 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Well he better not fucking turn out to be Zell Miller's bastard child.

by Pachacutec 2006-03-11 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

I can see Webb sometimes voting against the party on some issues, but he seems to be opposed to the Iraq war, opposed to the wire taps and the overreach of presidential power, and opposed to the neglect of the middle class.  And he has spoken out against the anti-gay marriage amendment on the ballot here in Virginia this fall.  He seems to have a good platform overall.

by LoganFerree 2006-03-11 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Do you have a link to him speaking out against the anti-equal marriage amendment?

Thanks

by Pachacutec 2006-03-12 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/20 06/03/jim_webb_kickof.html

That's coverage of the kick off to the campaign.  

>Webb was asked about gay marriage and he said "We can not have a government that gets in the way of people's happiness"  Webb supported civil unions, and while he wasn't taking an official position on this fall's marriage amendment he opposed the wording of the amendment.<

by LoganFerree 2006-03-12 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

THere's enough wiggle room in that to drive a truck through, but it does fill out some of the picture.

He won't lock himself in on the issue.  He's playing it safe.

by Pachacutec 2006-03-12 06:02AM | 0 recs
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I found this, which on gay marriage, is a classic straddle.  He has not committed himself, and leaves room for "reluctant" support of a federal marriange amendment.

I'm not single-issue, but this is a hell of an issue, and I want to gauge his progressive bona fides.

by Pachacutec 2006-03-12 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

A lot of us have that fear.

Look at Webb's campaign website, there is nothing specific on issues. He speaks in platitudes about fairness, but doesn't say anything specific about occupational safety, or even the domestic spying issue. Just nice sounding noises, nothing specific.

It is true I was against him from the first, and everything about his campaign has increased my doubts.

Why won't he appear before local Democratic committees? How does he expect us to campaign for him in the fall if he cannot look us in the eye and ask for our support???????????

by Alice Marshall 2006-03-12 04:03AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

You're an extremist.  Everything you say and do is harmful to the Democratic Party.  Maybe in a national blog like MyDD people don't know you, but Democratic activists from Virginia recognize your name and realize that you are not to be trusted.  

by LoganFerree 2006-03-12 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

People in Viginia do indeed know me.

by Alice Marshall 2006-03-12 06:50AM | 0 recs
So you are a matchmaker in Virginia, huh?

Such arrogance. I don't know you, but just from reading your comments on this diary, you come across as a very arrogant, unforgiving, do it my way or the highway type person. Its people like you with a very purist type agenda who hurt Democratic efforts all the time. My uncle lives in Martinsville, Virginia and he's been there close to twenty years. He is very active in the local Democratic party and politics, and he has very kind words for both Miller and Webb. He admires both of them, and I haven't heard him criticize either of them. He wants either of them to be strong candidates against Allen. That's the right kind of attitude that we need the most, and I'm thankful to him for that.

Your attitude toward Webb hurts the overall Democratic Party more than you think.

by richochet 2006-03-12 08:57AM | 0 recs
Why the hostility, Ms Marshall? I don't get it.

I don't understand your dislike for Mr. Webb either. Its not like he's one perferct, pure candidate or anything, and neither is Mr Miller from what I've read.

Mr Webb officially entered the race last week. Yesterday, he met with the Progressive Democrats of Virginia, a very tough crowd to please, but he came out looking strong and was very much appreciated from what I've been told by friends who were at the event.

Give the man a chance to campaign before you continue with your harsh judgements against him. We need both Miller and Webb to fight against George Allen. The better candidate will win, but there's absolutely no need for such unnecessary dismissal of Webb as you seem to be doing.

by sircharles 2006-03-12 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Why the hostility, Ms Marshall? I don't get it

Everyone can judge this for themselves. It is true Webb met with the Progressive Democrats, a group that had previously indicated their support for him based upon what they knew.

Since Webb announced his intention to run at the JJ dinner last January Webb has declined invitations to appear before the Fairfax County Democratic committee (Webb lives in Fairfax County) and the Winchester Democratic Committee. So far as I know he has not appeared before any Democratic committee.

I have read the articles on his website and candidly they give me the creeps.

There will be a primary, who ever has the most votes will win. In my judgment Webb is not the strongest candidate. He is too reactionary and too arrogant to win.

by Alice Marshall 2006-03-12 08:50AM | 0 recs
I've noticed this about you, Alice

You seem to attack Webb without actually talking about Miller's candidacy. Why is that?

And as to Webb not attending the two committee meetings you wanted him to attend (presumably in your area if I'm right) you even admit that you don't know whether he has attended other committee meetings elswhere in Virginia. And your dismissal of the Progressive Democrats meeting with Webb yesterday speaks volumes about you. Looks like they don't meet your criteria for a Democratic organization worth spending time with.

I'm sure Mr Webb will meet with a lot of local Democratic committees as his campaign gets rolling. There are many scheduling events that a nascent campaign needs to plan for, and I'm sure they would handle them as they come.

by sircharles 2006-03-12 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Most bloggers like Webb, with a few exceptions, Alice above being one.

Rep. Jim Moran (who I really can't stand) endorsed Miller.  Warner obviously likes him, but being the consummate politician, he's keeping his options open. It looks like a lot of the establishment is siding with Webb.

I don't see Miller as a Kaine clone.  Kaine is center/left except with the issue of abortion, which is understandable since he's Catholic; and he had no military experience.

I plan to vote for Webb.  I like his chances in the general election.  I mean if left/center Leslie Byrne could almost win the lieutenant governor's race in November, Webb can and will win the general election.  

There is no one in Northern Virginia who voted for Kaine who likely won't support Webb, unless he totally and absolutely self-destructs; and I can see him picking up the Nascar former Democrats as well.

He also has no baggage in the "lobbyist department" and has the biography to make Allen squirm.  I mean, how is Allen going to attack a war hero and former Reagan cabinet officer...?

Zilch. Nada. Zip.  No way, Jose.

by notime4lies 2006-03-11 11:42PM | 0 recs
I saw Webb on the Colbert Report

and I was impressed. Colbert asks a lot of dumbass wingnut questions (like "George Bush: great president, or the greatest president?") but Webb had an answer every time, and even Colbert's truthy logic couldn't beat him. He sounded sort of like a Republican, but he was advocating Democratic positions and talking about Democratic values. He said the greatest military victory of the past half century was winning the cold war, when we never had to fight the Russians, making Bush's Iraq policy look childish and cowardly by comparison.

Virginia is not an ideological state, and Webb is not an ideological guy (or at least he doesn't talk like one). I think he could bring blue-collar voters back to the party in droves. I have the same aversions to DLC democrats as many of the others here (got one running in my district against a perfectly good progressive fighting Dem) but Webb isn't a DLCer. He's not lying about what he believes in to win an election. So what if he's a moderate? If he's honest and he believes in what he's doing he's better than most politicians from either party, and if he caucuses with the Democrats he's at least a part of the solution.

Another thing: Harris Miller isn't getting elected in VA -- I'm not saying he's too liberal, I'm saying he's got no gravitas, no swagger, no take-notice attitude. I've heard him speak, I've met him, I'm sure he does a great job at the ITAA and I'd be psyched about the thought of bringing tens of billions of dollars in long-term tech-infrastructure investment to the great Commonwealth of VA, but we've got some bigger fish to fry and I have doubts about Miller's ability to lead real change in those areas. Miller should duck out now and save his run for John Warner's seat.

P.S. Al Weed for VA-05

by msnook 2006-03-12 12:26AM | 0 recs
Re: I saw Webb on the Colbert Report

Save his run for John Warner's seat?

Uh, how about no?  We'll need someone a lot more charismatic than what Miller has to offer.

AT BEST, the guy should save himself for a house seat.

by HellofaSandwich 2006-03-12 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: I saw Webb on the Colbert Report

hopefully Creigh Deeds will run for the open seat in  2008, or if Warner gets knocked out early in the prez race he will file

by yomoma2424 2006-03-12 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

The voters will decide who is the best guy.

by Alice Marshall 2006-03-12 08:51AM | 0 recs
Miller like Kaine - Webb like Warner

In many ways, the Miller-Webb primary fight would be similar to a Warner-Kaine fight. Both Warner and Kaine won their Gubernatorial races, for very different reasons.

It is true that Kaine ran in Warner's shadow in 2005, and Warner's popularity probably was a significant factor in Kaine's victory. But Kaine's victory was not simply a duplication of Warner in 2001. Kaine did better than Warner in the suburbs and exurbs in 2005. The presumably would be Miller's argument, that he represents the 'new' Virginia able to pull off a Kaine-style victory while labelling Allen as 'old style'. Whether that will work or not is another argument entirely. It was a formidable strategy in an open seat race for the 2005 Gubernatorial election, especially against a Republican candidate who was not from NoVa. However against Allen that may not work as Allen has a better image in Northern Virginia.

Webb would presumably try to pull off a Warner-style victory, combining old-line Democratic areas in rural and southern Virginia coupled with a good showing in NoVa.

In this race, Webb may have an easier time than Miller against Allen. Webb has the resume to make a formidable case against Allen as a credible candidate. Miller with his money and connections could probably make a credible showing although I am not sure how he gets above 44% of the vote at the moment.

by southerndemnut 2006-03-12 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Just shows how sad the D's have become. We are raving for a man who thinks addled ron was something other then a sock puppet that enabled the radical right. But we can support him as a D.
Webb supported addled ron's policy of bankrupting america but hey he's the best we can get.
Webb supported addled ron's social darwinism and wholesale looting of the public lands but by god he's a true blue mush mouth D.

Between him and anti-choice casey in Penn. i have got to wonder is we have been given a few "stars" from the R's bench to make our Washington Generals performance even more obvious.

Even if this Quislings win they will do nothing but constitute a fifth column inside the D's caucauses to protect the nutcase right.

by Rational 2006-03-12 02:43PM | 0 recs
Reclaim American Greatness

A true American hero inspiring a nation to reclaim it's position in the world as a truly great nation.  

Fairness, constitutional resonsibility, courage, honor.   This is the only game in town, and we need to do what we can to make James Webb the standard bearer for the Democratic takeover of congress in 2006.

The time is now and the man is James Webb.

by 5oclockshadow 2006-03-12 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Reclaim American Greatness

If the path to American greatness turns out to be electing Republican screenwriters to the US Senate, I'll be awfully surprised.

by redsoxkangaroo 2006-03-12 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

It would be hard to imagine anyone who is more guilty of intellectual dishonesty than Alice Marshall in regard to her comments about Jim Webb.

Jim Webb is one of the most "transparent" candidates for public office in Virginia's history: indeed he may be the most easily researched man in Virginia today.

Jim has a public record that stretches back to his time at the Naval Academy.  He is a decorated hero from Vietnam, one who chose to keep his medals rather than cast them away.  He is a graduate of Georgetown Law, an attorney that has given thousands of hours of pro bono service to our nation's veterans, and has served as an Assistant Secretary of Defense and Secretary of the Navy.  Records of his service are publicly available.

Jim Webb has written six novels and two screenplays, most with semi-autobiographical details, and one history book, "Born Fighting", that is the most searching and revealing political autobiography and statement of personal belief of the 20th century.  Jim Webb is also a major figure in Robert Timberg's "The Nightingale's Song", a scorching analysis of the men who fought n Vietnam and how it affected them in the post-war years.

You can say that you disagree with Jim Webb, that's your right as an American: a right Jim Webb fought to defend.  But to imply that there is no information available about Jim Webb, or no information about what Jim Webb stands for, is an act of malicious dishonesty or a confession of extreme ignorance.

Alice, read something by or about Jim Webb before you attack him.  If you disagree with him, say so, and take an honest position in opposition.  

As it stands, your attacks on Jim Webb are nothing less than profoundly disrespectful of a man who has suffered and sacrificed for his country more than you could imagine.

Shame on you Alice Marshall.  

by JCWilmore 2006-03-12 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Don't be ridiculous. Webb is a Reagan Republican - and no amount of Vietnam service is going to change that.

You talk about his website - that shit is weird. This guy is not a Democrat.

Where was Jim Webb when Tim Kaine was running for Governor? Nowhere. The last time he took part in Virginia politics, he was endorsing George Allen.

That doesn't make him a bad American, but it does make him a lousy Democrat.

I also can't believe that Matt, who has been scathing about Joe Lieberman, is interested in Webb. Webb has shown us exactly nothing about where he really stands. He thinks the war was a dumb idea - congratulations. George Allen himself couldn't even bring himself to say that it was a good idea this morning on Meet the Press.

by redsoxkangaroo 2006-03-12 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

Redsoxkangaroo,

Let's review our Democratic values.

We Democrats believe in fairness in our society, regardless of race or class.
We Democrats believe in the separation of powers as outlined in our Constitution.
We Democrats believe in true national security without giving our civil liberties.

Furthermore, we Democrats often say that they represent the interests of the common man. And we Democrats hold tolerance of other people's backgrounds and ideas in high esteem.

So let's exercise our democratic tolerance and pay attention to what Webb actually says in his website.

The homepage of the site has a statement written by Webb outlining his campaign themes.


Refocusing America's foreign and defense policies in a way that truly protects our national interests and seeks harmony where they are not threatened.

Repairing the country's basic infrastructure, which has eroded badly over the past decade, and developing more creative ways to assist disaster-stricken areas such as those in New Orleans and along the Gulf coast.

Reinstituting notions of true fairness in American society, including issues of race, class, and economic advantage; and

Restoring the Constitutional role of the Congress as an equal partner, reining in the unbridled power of the Presidency.


http://www.webbforsenate.com

Webb's values seem pretty Democratic to me.

by Hugo Estrada 2006-03-13 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

How can someone who aided and abetted the treason that Iran-Contra was be a hero? as for not returning his medals from Nam that just shows that he has no shame.

Webb was part of the criminial, dishonest and destructive addled ron regime and has not admitted to his guilt. for D's to support a thug like him would be the same as if the South africans decided to reinstall a member of the apartheid regime( who were addled ron's and webb's good friends) with out a truth commission.

a fith columnist who will turn on the american people again just as he has in the past.

by Rational 2006-03-12 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

No kidding. Webb is a Reaganite - and if anyone on this blog can name one reason why being a Reaganite is good, then god bless them.

We're going to work to get rid of Joe Lieberman but we're going to suck up to James Webb? Give me a break. He'll be in the Senate for a day and a half before the blogging community is trying to figure out how to get rid of him.

Big question folks: If someone describes themselves as a Reagan Democrat, do we really want them leading our party anywhere? Tim Kaine didn't have to be a Reagan Democrat to get elected, and neither did Mark Warner. So why the hell do we think we need to suck up to a guy whose only iota of Democratic activism ever was endorsing Chuck Robb (Vietnam veteran) over Ollie North (whacko) int the 1994 VA Senate race? Webb endorsed George Allen over Chuck Robb in 2000 for God's sake.

Maybe that's why he won't show up for Democratic party committees - he doesn't want to have to explain his part in the rise of George Allen.

You don't think George Allen should be US Senator, Mr. Webb? TOO LATE, MORON.

by redsoxkangaroo 2006-03-12 09:59PM | 0 recs
Explain how can Miller win

redsoxkangaroo,

It is obvious that you do not like Webb.

Even though  Webb's returning home to the Democratic Party can mark the return of the Reagan Democrats.

Even though Webb's returning home can mark the beginning of a new era of Democratic national victories.

Even though Webb's returning home can be help the Democratic Party to win enough states in the South to win the presidency in 2008.

Webb can win. I am sure that even you realize that Webb can win. After all, your attacks  on him are strickly on ideological grounds.

So why don't you go ahead and attempt to persuade the tolerant and pragmatic wing of the Democratic Party who has embraced Webb how can Miller win against Allen?

Does Miller have a chance against Allen?

I am waiting for your replay.

by Hugo Estrada 2006-03-13 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

So everyone who worked in the executive branch under Ronald Reagan is a criminal?

by LoganFerree 2006-03-13 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

In political appointee positions of a xcertain rank if not de jure de facto yes.
addled ron and his administration tried, and did, violate one of the basic principles of the Constitition - Congress controls the purse. This was a result of George III being able to hire and use mercenaries to pursue "private" wars ( sounds like the addled ron administration in Nicuaragua and El salvador)

Anyone who worked on that level and has not realized the error of thier ways and has not full throatedly denounced addled ron as scum cannot be trusted.

The fact that D's are even considering supporting someone who supported the archetect of death squads, murdering nuns, wholesale misappropiation of resources and fraudulent military bidding systems just shows how low the party has sunk.

by Rational 2006-03-13 09:20AM | 0 recs
Evidence, please

Rational,

First, you absolutely need to provide evidence for your claim.

This response is insufficient. This is the way it reads:

"Since I found no evidence, I am going to make a sweeping statement and hope that one one notices."

We all notice this trick.

The truth is that Webb is a man of principle who, when Oliver North tried to become a Virginia Senator, he campaigned against him because of what Oliver North had done in Central America, Iran, and the U.S.

So please give us the evidence for your claim.

by Hugo Estrada 2006-03-13 01:41PM | 0 recs
Webb campaigned against Oliver North

As far as I know, Webb campaign against Oliver North in the early 1990s because he considered North a disgrace to the Marine Corp for his involvement in Iran-Contra.

Let me say this again: Webb opposed North because of North's involvement in the scandal.

But maybe you know something that we all don't.

Why don't you give us some evidence, please?

by Hugo Estrada 2006-03-13 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: VA-Senate Primary: Miller versus Webb

That's what I heard too.  And also read a quote where Webb was the only who spoke against the whole thing.

He has my vote.  I don't expect perfection either - but when you put both candidates side by side - it is clear who the winner should be.

Miller got a head start -- and blew it in my humble opinion.

by nova dem 2006-03-13 06:38AM | 0 recs

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