Defanging Our Arlen Specter

Matt is going to meet Ned Lamont today. I wanted to make a post that describes what we could potentially achieve in this primary even if we don't win.

What sort of problem are we facing in Connecticut? Here are some selections form just the last two months. In one of the bluest states in the nation, we are dealing with a "Democrat"who loves Sean Hannity, who was the first person to applaud Bush during the SOTU, and whose loyalty to his party extends so far that he has said he will leave the party if he loses a primary. Lieberman publicly trashes Democrats like Murtha who propose withdrawal plans, while in the same breath he defends Bush. Republican lobbyists are lining up behind Lieberman. Lieberman has endorsed McCain for President, and trashed Barack Obama. And like I said, that was all just in the last two months. And that was a partial selection.

There once was a time, not long ago, that Arlen Specter was the Republican version of Joe Lieberman. From 2001-2004, when the balance of power in the Senate was nearly equal, he led the moderate Republican lunch club, which set him up as a potential powerbroker to defeat extremist legislation. After President Bush's "re-election" in 2004, he made a grand threat against his own party to stop any judicial nominees who would overturn Roe. The Google search "Arlen Specter" RINO turns up just over 30,000 matches, many sending criticism toward Specter that could have been written by commenters on progressive blogs about Joe Lieberman, were the proper names in the critiques changed. Also much like Joe Lieberman, Specter's approval rating in his home state is actually higher among members of the opposing party (+26) than among members of his own party (+28).

Fast-forward to early 2006. Arlen Specter has disbanded the moderate lunch. He has worked to confirm both of Bush's conservative Supreme court nominees, Roberts and Alito, with nary any criticism whatsoever. He refuses to swear in the attorney general when he is called to testify about Bush's warrant-less eavesdropping program. Thus far, during the entire 109th congress, he has never broken with the majority of his own party on even a single Senate vote. And you certainly don't hear Specter making nay more sweeping statements about how he is going to stop Bush's extremist agenda.

What happened to Specter is what we hope to achieve by challenging Joe Lieberman. Specter was severely challenged in a primary. After he narrowly won that primary, his position as committee chair was then challenged by Dobson and the conservative theocroroots. These challenges worked so well that basically the entire Republican moderate caucus has been utterly defeated. Specter was put in his place, and the country was titled even further off-center by the Republican political machine.

Joe Lieberman is a full-blown disaster for the Democratic Party. It seems to be his mission in life to repeat and help reify every single Republican narrative about Democrats. Challenging him in a primary is all about trying to reclaim the national political narrative for Democrats. We need to send a message to every Democrat who is willing to carry water for Republicans that if you are willing to talk about your own party in the same way Republicans talk about your party, then you will face severe consequences from within your party. As kos wrote: It's not about "liberal" or "conservative". This is a point, I think, that most new-school activists understand. It's the old-school DC-centric crowd, exactly the kind of jokers we rip in our book, who insist in seeing the world as it existed back in the 1980s, as a battle between ideological factions.

Do we think Reid is "liberal" because he's stands up to Republican excesses? Nope. Schweitzer? Nope. We call them "Democrats".

I don't like Lieberman because he carries water for the GOP. He reinforces right-wing frames. Because he rolled over during the recount in 2000 without fighting for the victory Gore had earned. Because he is the go-to guy whenever the press needs a Democrat to bash another Democrat. He thinks it makes him a maverick or something. In fact, it makes him a tool of the GOP.

Of course, it doesn't help that his views on Iraq are colored by fantasy and wishful-thinking, rather than the realities on the ground. Arlen Specter no longer damages the national Republican Party by helping to reinforce the notion that they are extremist, theocratic, and divided. Joe Lieberman still works to reinforce several national narratives about Democrats, including that they are extremist, weak on defense, and can't talk values. We are challenging him to put an end to that. It is time for Democrats to stand up.

Tags: Democrats, Joe Lieberman, Media, Ned Lamont, Primary Elections, Senate 2006 (all tags)

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27 Comments

One difference

between Specter and Lieberman is that even Specter has always been much more loyal to his party than Lieberman.

Specter wasn't elected by running to the left of a Democratic opponent with the help of prominent national liberal supporters, Specter has never been rumored as a possible cabinet member by a president of the opposing party, Specter has never repeatedly gone on liberal talk-radio to trash his own party, and Specter has never hinted that he would run as an Independent if he lost a primary race.

Specter has mainly voiced his discontent with leadership by his votes and organizing moderates in the Senate. Lieberman does so by stabbing his party in the back repeatedly.

No, Lieberman is a different breed entirely.

by tparty 2006-02-13 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: One difference

And on the same note, if Joe wins the primary, I can't imagine him getting scared to the left the way Specter was scared to the right.

He'll keep doing the same shit. In fact, since he'll have proven he can survive a primary and will sail to re-election in the general, I'd bet that he'll be even less of a partisan than he is now.

Money says that if Farrell, Courtney, or Murphy offer anything less than their full support, after the primary Joe'll claim that winning in Iraq trumps all other issues and he'll endorse the Republican incumbents.

by Matthew Gertz 2006-02-13 06:43AM | 0 recs
Re: One difference

Of course, the power dynamics surrounding Lieberman are completely the opposite. Whereas Specter had to deal with a re-elected Bush and a GOP-controlled Senate, both in the service of the same forces who were trying to take him out in the primary, Lieberman doesn't have to worry about a thing if he wins.

The aim for Lamont is, of course, to win (and he has a much better chance in a general election than Toomey did). I see the secondary aim not as "defanging" Lieberman, but rather as empowering progressives nationwide and raising progressive/partisan Democratic issues in a race that will get national attention.

by tparty 2006-02-13 06:57AM | 0 recs
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by gizzy 2007-07-31 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: One difference

Big difference is we have no intention of losing.

No one has traveled the state as much as I have doing my http://www.dumpjoe.com/ gig and if the Manchester Resolution din't prove to people that this baby is very ripe for the  picking then the Windsor Resolution shoud have.

Joe Lieberman has no base in the Democratic party pure and simple.All three Dems running against Republicans in CT for House Seats Know Lamot Winning is the only way the Dems have a unified Message and Both Mayors (Destefano and Malloy) know this too.It's in every Dems interest for Joe to NOT BE ON THE TICKET and everyone knows it,including Joe.

by ctkeith 2006-02-13 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: One difference

"Big difference is we have no intention of losing."
 I do not meet many campaigns that do intned to lose.

"Manchester Resolution din't prove to people that this baby is very ripe for the  picking then the Windsor Resolution shoud have."

I have heard about these things but believe me in my twenty plus years of politcs most voters do not care about these things where a group of 100 or less activists come in and pass resolutions.  

"Joe Lieberman has no base in the Democratic party pure and simple."

If he did not have a base he would not have be where he is today.

"All three Dems running against Republicans in CT for House Seats Know Lamot Winning is the only way the Dems"

I will let them speak for themselves, since I have been told the two imcumbent members of the house have already endorsed Lieberman I doubt any of the three challanger will.  If this election turns into who gets the best endorsements Lieberman will win big, although the election is not about who gets the best endosrsments.  

"It's in every Dems interest for Joe to NOT BE ON THE TICKET and everyone knows it,including Joe."

Once again I would think that you would not be so bold as too speak for every Democrat but since you have, I hope you have made a backup plan just in case you are wrong and Joe is indeed on the ticker otherwise odds are you have no plan.

by THE MODERATE 2006-02-13 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: One difference

FYI,The Manchester Resolution and the Widsor resolution were passed by their respective Dem Town Committees NOT a "group of 100 or less activists".

The Manchester Resolution was written by a World war 2 Verteran and Cosponsored by a gemtlemen who has held the Chairmanship in that town for over 40 yrs.

The Windsor Resolution was also passed By that towns Democratic Town Committee by a vote of 34-1-1 abstention.It was written and presented by a Korean War veteran in his mid 60s.

Democratic Town Committees are the people who do the groundwork for successful campaigns and in Ct. They are also where EVERY delegate to this years Convention(in May)will be picked in the next 6-8 weeks.

Keep your eyes and ears open because a suprise is Brewing.

by ctkeith 2006-02-13 12:07PM | 0 recs
excuse me?

When Specter announced his 1996 presidential campaign bid, he stated:  "Let me say it as plainly as I can: Neither this nation -- nor this party -- can afford a Republican candidate so captive to the demands of the intolerant right that we end up re-electing a president of the incompetent left," and I believe he called out Reed, Falwell and Robertson by name.

by Adam B 2006-02-13 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: excuse me?

Who cares if Specter "called out Reed, Falwell and Robertson by name?"  He's voting as they would vote if they had his job.  Right-wingers in Connecticut are getting what they were promised when they support Lieberman -- liberals who back Specter are suckers.

by Richter 2006-02-13 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: excuse me?

Actually, I'm trying to suggest that Specter was even more disloyal to his party's base in terms of words (and completely on-deck in terms of votes), yet his party's leadership chose to rally behind him in 2004.

by Adam B 2006-02-13 10:21AM | 0 recs
by gizzy 2007-07-27 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

Don't want to get into another lengthy debate. Everyone knows where I stand on the CT primary idea. I just want to take issue with some of your characterizations. Overall, it's a good post, and while I don't agree with your point, you make your case well. Unfortunately, some of the information is a little skewed. Lieberman never endorsed McCain for president, he said he hoped McCain ran. McCain said something similar about HRC. It's meaningless DC back-scratching. Secondly, the SOTU applause thing is kind of silly. Are you really going to challenge someone because they stood up to clap too quickly? Third, it's a little hypocritical for people here to lecture Lieberman about party loyalty. The netroots is always talking about being loyal to its principles first, and party second. How can you criticize Lieberman for the same thing? You may hate his principles or his ideas, but the party loyalty line doesn't have any sting coming from the lefty blogosphere. Fourth, Lieberman never said anything about Murtha. I disagree with what he said about credibility and undermining Bush, but he never trashed Murtha, not like Schmidt and the GOP. Fifth, the whole "Lieberman knifed Obama" thing is stupid. To my knowledge, no one's even provided a transcript including the offending comments. Plus, Obama himself has been pretty concilatory about the whole thing, saying that he and McCain have patched things up and implying that it was all a misunderstanding. You can make a principled case for Lamont, but you don't need to resort to stretching the truth.

by bluenc 2006-02-13 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

The fact that Sean Hannity likes him is reason enough to want to get rid of him.

by LiberalFromPA 2006-02-13 07:04AM | 0 recs
Not That Blue

"In one of the bluest states in the nation"

What is this statement based on?

I am not a Lieberman fan or defender but I get concerned when this is said but doesn't jive with reality.  We have done very well on the Presidential level in CT since 1992 but we have not won a Gov election since 1986 and that streak will continue in 2006 since Rell is very popular.  Additionally, the Repubs control 3 of the 5 House seats.

Does CT lean Dem?  Yes.  Is it one of the bluest states in the nation?  The electoral results below the Presidential level don't point that way.

by John Mills 2006-02-13 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

Will someone please explain why Gore would have chosen Lieberman as a running mate if he is essentially Republican-lite? I don't remember the pressure back then to prove to voters that Democrats can be right of center on issues like they have today, at least not to the same degree. Would Gore have been sorry about his choice for Veep if the 2000 election had gone in their favor?

by blogstituent 2006-02-13 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter
     On this, I think there's something to be learned from the way conservatives overthrew the old Republican establishment in the 1960s.
     After Goldwater's crushing defeat, conservatives were very bitter with the liberal Republicans who had not supported him after he was nominated. California in 1968 was a very Republican state, with Reagan as governor and two Republican senators. It voted Republican in nine of the ten presidential elections from 1952-88, missing only 1964.
     In 1968, California conservatives decided to take out Sen. Thomas Kuchel (KEE kul), the Minority Whip, in the Republican primary. On the night Robert Kennedy was murdered, Kuchel was defeated by state Superintendent of Education Max Rafferty. It was a milestone victory for conservatives in the Republican party, even though Rafferty went on to lose the fall election to Alan Cranston.
     Cranston retired after three terms and was succeeded by Barbara Boxer. So Republicans never got that seat back.
     A year later, in June, 1969, New York Mayor John V. Lindsay lost the Republican primary to the Conservative Party candidate, State Senator John J. Marchi. Lindsay was reelected on the Liberal Party line in November, and switched to the Democratic Party in time to run in the 1972 presidential primaries.
     So the primary challenges were a bust for the Republican Party. They lost a senate seat and the mayor of New York. But it established the conservative ascendancy in the Republican Party. It was open season on liberal Republicans. The next year, James Buckley, running on the Conservative Party line, won Robert Kennedy's senate seat over a Democratic Congressman and Sen. Charles Goodell, whom Rockefeller had appointed to the vacancy. At the end of the decade, conservative challengers knocked off four-term New Jersey Senator Clifford Case in 1978 and four-term New York Senator Jacob K. Javits in 1980 in the Republican primaries. After that, there really weren't any Eastern big-state liberal Republicans left, unless you think Arlen Specter fits that description.  
     Ned Lamont may never serve in the Senate. Max Rafferty never did. But after Rafferty's victory the Republican Party was never the same. And the Democratic Party will never be the same if Ned Lamont defeats Joe Lieverman in the Democratic primary. Everybody will understand WHY Lieberman lost, and faint-hearted blue state senators will understand that their voters will not tolerate senators who are Democrats in name only.
     We're only 38 years behind.  
by Ron Thompson 2006-02-13 08:20AM | 0 recs
Good Lord

Stop lying about Lieberman.  He's bad enough that you don't have to make up all this endorsing McCain, bashing Obama crap.

by ItsDrewMiller 2006-02-13 08:54AM | 0 recs
The strategy

...is to be over-the-top, making "extremist" allegations that help create "a climate of fear" about crossing the grassroots.

(It's essentially what Republicans have done to Democrats.)

via Matt on how this strategy should have been used against Alito:

Branding and Advertising

As soon as Bush nominated Alito, new ad hoc unbranded groups would have broadcast ads around the country with pictures of a coathanger hanging on a rusty nail, saying that Bush wants to make abortion illegal and take us back to the time when women died in back alleys and doctors were sent to jail for providing medical care.  There would have been a media firestorm over liberal extremists, which would generate free media.  The next ad would have been harder hitting, showing sleazy used car salesman offering abortion services.  TV networks would have refused to run these ads, generating more free media.  These groups would then leak direct mail pieces that are even harder hitting, with pictures of women barefoot and pregnant.  The advertising would have included the recent mining accident, and blamed Bush for it.  All of these tactics would have been used to generate a climate of fear around crossing the pro-choice movement.  Protests, live-site events, and cultural products would be sold around this campaign.

by LiberalFromPA 2006-02-13 10:21AM | 0 recs
lieberman as (I)--caucus?

when Lieberman said that he'd run as an independent if he lost the Democratic primary, did anyone ask him with which party he would caucus if he won?  

by benchcoat 2006-02-13 09:18AM | 0 recs
Total idiocy

One of the reasons I like the Democratic Party better than the Republicans is that, contrary to some people's perception and spin, we are NOT the party of wild fanatics.

You think the model of Specter is something that we should follow?  Personally, I think the Club for Growth is a bunch of repulsive extremists.  I don't want a Democratic counterpart of them.

For all the talk of Lieberman being harmful to the Democratic party, he is a) a solid vote, and b) nevertheless respected by the other side.

The problem for people like Chris and Markos is that they don't want a democratic party which votes the right way, AND is respected by people who may nevertheless not completely agree with it.

They want to create a democratic version of the right wing noise machine.  For that, I suppose Joe Lieberman is dangerous.  If you are looking for a party which acts as a sounding board to make its more passionate elements feel better, I can understand the hit job on Lieberman.  If you want to elect candidates that are considered to be respected on both sides, AND will generally vote the way you want to, then it makes no sense.

by JPhurst 2006-02-13 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

The tragedy is that if Lieberman had switched parties a few years ago they wouldn't have had to do a Samantha Smith on Paul Wellstone to get the senate.

by certainot 2006-02-13 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter


"we are dealing with a "Democrat" who loves Sean Hannity"

Quote?

"who was the first person to applaud Bush during the SOTU"

My goodness. Not voting to fillibuster is one thing, but standing up too quickly at the SOTU!!!

"Lieberman publicly trashes Democrats like Murtha"

What did he say about him?

"and trashed Barack Obama."

What did he say about him?

"Lieberman has endorsed McCain for President,"

Quote? I'm specifically looking for "I endorse", heck I'll settle for just 'endorse'.

I'll be awaiting your reply.

by Epitome23 2006-02-13 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

If you didn't get evidence the first time around, why do you think you'll get it now?

The blogosphere is a great thing, but at times it can become just an echo chamber.   You have markos linking to Chris, who cites markos citing Chris.

Do it enough and you have "lots of proof."

by JPhurst 2006-02-13 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Time for a Reality Check: No Joementum here

The pro-Lieberman comments make me laugh. Do you listen to yourselves? No offense, but it's time for a reality check:
     "He is a solid vote"
     --for big corporations and Republican bills. Over the past 5 years, when has his vote or voice been helpful beyond tokenism?
     "Respected by the other side"
     --we need more people this other side hates, despises; remember how they hated Bill Clinton for being effective, yet they "respected" him both for his political skills & being able to work with opponents to pass legislation. Ted Kennedy is "respected" yet hated by Repubs for that reason too. Your concept of "respected" is dysfunctional & needs to be re-thunk. A politician the Neocons hate because he stands up to them, but "respects" because he advocates for the facts and knows how to do legislation is what we need, but the other side doesn't even allow for contributions to their ill-begotten legislation. As for "the other side" they don't deserve respect; when they start behaving like the old Republicans who had a healthy fear of, if not respect for, the Constitution, our laws, and the wrath of the electorate, then we can be willing to "respect" the other side. This other side "loves" Dems who are wussy enough to do anything they want, and who cower in fear at the barrage of attacks when they do stand up to the other side. Why would we want that? Why would want someone who goes further and supports the criminal elements of the Bush Republican party?
    "repulsive extremists... want to create a democratic version of the right wing noise machine... I don't want a Democratic counterpart of them."
     --Because of the lack of sufficient organized pressure on Dems, we have a party that has a history of betraying its principles and its most committed constituencies. Why would we want to continue that history in the face of the losses it has created and the benefits this has given to Republicans taking an opposite, more successful course. Big tent, yes, moderate messengers, yes, accountability to Dem principles-- missing ingredient that should be in place.
     I understand that change is scary to those who are used to the old (dysfunctional) ways. But change is happening, and it will be a good thing. Lieberman used to have a better voting record, that's why in part, Gore picked him and for the moral card with Lieberman's public condemnations of Clinton's affair. But it turns out Gore regretted it, because Joe turned soft at the Cheney debates getting all palsy walsy. Now that Joe has become more of a religious wingnut (which I think has a lot to do with his Iraq war support), his voting record since Bush II is much worse and doesn't warrant support from a blue state senator. If he were representing Idaho, some of his behavior might be more excusable. But as a national leader the press listens to, from a leaning blue state, think of the delicious and empowering impact a loss of his magnitude will have as a positive momentum maker for fightin' Dems.
     There's no Joementum here. It's over and it's time for it to be over. As for Joe running as an independant after a primary loss, I think that may be of benefit if it splits the Republican votes that are his base!
     It's time for the Joe apologists to get over their fears of the party moving too far left (not gonna happen, & we're not advocating that), or fantasizing that Joe's giving us a good deal (definitely not happening). I believe that it's true historically, that there was, once upon a time in the late '70's & early '80's, a Democratic Party beholden to ideological premises & causes (pro-union, anti-death penalty, 'soft on crime') that caused a fair amount of election losses and the DLC had a positive impact on correcting that. The Joe apologists cling to that mental frame tightly and fail to see the facts about where we are now. Now we face a time where too many Dems are so beholden to corporate money and consultants who often have no loyalty to party but only to the Washington's closed elitist social circuit of assumptions, that a majority of voters concludes, even when manipulated, to be without principles and without a spine. In the face of an extremist, criminal-run Republican machine, we need non-cooperators that stand up to their garbage. It's time for better strategies and a reality check. And in that prescription, it's time for Joe to go.

   

by doinaheckuvanutjob 2006-02-13 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Time for a Reality Check: No Joementum here

It's not about supporting lieberman, it's about honest discourse.  We don't have that in this thread, and if you stop ranting for a second you would realize it.

by ItsDrewMiller 2006-02-13 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

In my "rant", I avoided joining the discussion on whether Chris' facts in contention are correct or not. As valid & important to the integrity of our processes as that may be, I'm more focused on the reasons people have put out to support or oppose Lieberman. Just because my "rant" doesn't address that aspect doesn't make my points un-valid. It's just as important that we give thought to what we're doing as well as how we do it. Both are important (obviously).

by doinaheckuvanutjob 2006-02-13 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Defanging Our Arlen Specter

Does anyone know anything about the philadelphia triathlon? I think it runs like, Sept. 2nd or something like that..

Specter does ok every now and then. Most of those pennsylvania guys are worth a damn. Its that santorum character that comprises most of the filthydelphian deadweight IMHO

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-02-14 06:54AM | 0 recs

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