Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Well it sure looks like Jefferson is going to be reelected.  A few years ago I might have been quite upset and self-righteous about it, but it does seem like corruption is a small matter in New Orleans, and there is good reason for residents to have no faith in charges against someone like Jefferson even if they are true.  It's hard to imagine the complete breach of faith that city has with the Federal government and the rest of the country.  There are just no trusted streams of information in a city like that, it's all rumors at this point, and when rumors are the only source of information, you believe what you want to believe.  This is the electorate responding to what a total breakdown of leadership looks like.

Anyway, the question now is whether Jefferson will get back his committee assignment until he's indicted.  Ugh.  This situation is just so embarrassingly awful.

Tags: CBC, Nancy Pelosi, William Jefferson (all tags)

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Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson


It's outrageous that he has been re-elected.

He should get no committee assignments.

by desmoinesdem 2006-12-09 06:11PM | 0 recs
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Yes, it is.  That's how the voters voted.

by Matt Stoller 2006-12-09 06:12PM | 0 recs
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How soon until he's indicted?

by adamterando 2006-12-09 06:20PM | 0 recs
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Unless and until Jefferson is indicted, he should get committee assignments based on his seniority.  As for Jefferson's re-election, I guess the voters have more faith in their incumbent than they do in the FBI.

by jcullen 2006-12-09 06:50PM | 0 recs
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please stop making excuses. It's embarrasing. The guy's a crook, end of story. And the FBI's right now and again.

by TexasDem 2006-12-09 07:19PM | 0 recs
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unfortunately, he's a terrible congressman, and we should work ten times as hard to beat him in two years, or less if he's indicted and resigns, calling a special election. but we shouldn't pull all his committee assignments, he's been democratically elected, and nancy pelosi doesn't have the right to disenfranchise the voters of New Orleans because he's so corrupt. give him crap assignments, strip him of his seniority, but give his constituents some service too.

by ahf8 2006-12-09 06:20PM | 0 recs
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  His constituents have spoken. THEY DON'T CARE about good government. THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP.

 Let's give "service" to citizens who have actually expressed, at the ballot box, that they want it.  Resources are limited, and they should not be wasted on people who have stated that corruption doesn't matter to them.

 They should experience the consequences of living under the corrupt government they elected. I believe in giving people what they want.

by Master Jack 2006-12-10 02:49AM | 0 recs
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Absolutely true.  Give help to those who deserve it.

by DrJohn 2006-12-10 12:00PM | 0 recs
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so embarrassing is right.  But not unlike the mayor's race where the challenger (Mitch Landrieu) didn't give a reason to vot for him.  

I hate our race based politics here.  And this was a "black" vs. black race.  

Ugh indeed.

by daddy oh 2006-12-09 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson
Uh, what about the white Democrats with ethics problems that have kept their committee positions? As the Congressional Black Caucus asked: Is there a double standard at work here?
by Mike Stagg 2006-12-09 06:27PM | 0 recs
who did you have in mind?

I'm for investigating and, if necessary, indicting and tossing out any corrupt person in Congress. No doubt there are others with ethics problems.

However, I'm not sure there are any with such slam-dunk evidence against them ($90,000 in cash hidden in the freezer). Is there any non-criminal explanation for $90,000 in cash in the freezer? I haven't heard any evidence suggesting the police planted the cash there.

by desmoinesdem 2006-12-09 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: who did you have in mind?
Rep. Alan Mollohan of West Virginia, for one. He's on the Judiciary Committee and will, it appears, head the subcommittee that will set the budget for (among others) the FBI which is investigating him now. TPM Muckraker has some details: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002 083.php There is another white Democrat in the House who is being investigated. Can't recall his name at this point, but will post it when I do.
by Mike Stagg 2006-12-09 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: who did you have in mind?

I think the difference between Mollohan and Jefferson is 90K in marked bills being found in his freezer. Investigation v. waiting for public corruption indictment (and likely conviction)

by TexasDem 2006-12-10 05:02AM | 0 recs
Another Pelosi Dilemma

It will be another major dilemma for Pelosi as it was with Harman and Hastings. Louisiana desperately needs his influence on the committee assignments he had. If Pelosi does not reappoint him and does not replace him with someone from  the LA (or perhaps even MS) delegations she will be seen as slamming the door on Katrina victims which will look bad on Democrats at a time when Katrina will be a major issue in the LA and MS statewide races in 2007 and the Senate and presidential race in those states in 2008. Voters in those states are angry at the Bush administration and the GOP and the Democratic control of both houses is a golden opportunity for Democrats to make gains in those states. Another very hard decision for Pelosi to make.

by robliberal 2006-12-09 06:31PM | 0 recs
Slamming the Door

If shafting Jefferson is portrayed as slamming the door on Katrina victims than so be it.

You know what's more important than having a propaganda victory? Actually delivering on help for those people--and that's not going to be helped with a corrupt slimeball like Jefferson.

by MNPundit 2006-12-09 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Slamming the Door

whose job was it to prove them that it was the case that the otehr candidate was better?

by bruh21 2006-12-09 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Slamming the Door
That will be Pelosi's choice on how she handles it. I would hope she will find a compromise that is acceptable and does not turn over 2 states to the GOP that have Democratic incumbents and good pickup opportunities. There are 3 other Democratic members of the House in LA and MS that Pelosi could turn to
Charlie Melancon in LA-3, Gene Taylor in MS-4 and Bennie Thompson in MS-2. I think Jefferson had previously tried to compromise with Pelosi to give his slot to Charlie Melancon and she refused. The region needs a go to person on Katrina.
by robliberal 2006-12-09 07:04PM | 0 recs
Assignments and Jefferson

One of the worst things about this situation is that the re-election of Jefferson makes it harder for the Democrats in Congress to pursue allegations of corruption by the Republicans.  When a party features people who got caught hiding $90,000 in cash in his refrigerator, they aren't in a great position to cast stones at anybody else.  Even thought the Republicans are guilty of many more ethical lapses, the media have always tried to portray corruption as a bipartisan affair; this will only encourage them to push that narrative.

This is another failure of the Democratic leadership, similar to what happened in the Lamont-Lieberman race.  They could have stepped up and supported Carter with all the resources at their disposal.  Now they have an embarassing mess on their hands, and this isn't going to make the Congressional Black Caucus look great either.

Oy.

by global yokel 2006-12-09 06:32PM | 0 recs
Must the 110th seat Jefferson?

If he's indicted between now and 1/3/07, must the 110th Congress certify his election and seat Jefferson?

by TeddySanFran 2006-12-09 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Must the 110th seat Jefferson?

Yup. In Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486 (1969), the supreme court held that Congress can judge only the express qualifications for being seated as a member of congress, and those 'qualifications' are pretty slim: U.S. citizenship for 7 years, 25 years old, inhabitant of the state where chosen (Art. I Sec. 2). And common crooks fit into that equation.

What an embarrasment.

by TexasDem 2006-12-09 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Must the 110th seat Jefferson?

So does this mean there's no hope of forcing a new election in FL-13?

by Angry White Democrat 2006-12-09 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Must the 110th seat Jefferson?

Article 1 sec. 5 says the house can be the judge of elections, returns and qualifications of its members. The way I'm reading the Const. and Powell v. McCormack, Congress can be the judge of the Jennings-Buchanan race because the outcome's in doubt, but Jefferson won his election and he meets the minimum qualifications.

by TexasDem 2006-12-10 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Must the 110th seat Jefferson?

Just to expand on that, here's the background of the Powell case.

In 1966, Adam Clayton Powell, Jr., was investigated by the House for corruption, but Congress adjourned without taking action. When Powell won re-election in 1966, the House refused to re-seat him. He sued in 1967, and the district and circuit courts refused to hear the case for want of jurisdiction. Meanwhile, he won a special election to fill his own vacancy, and won the ordinary election again in 1968, after which the 91st Congress did seat him in 1969. That same year, the case regarding his exclusion from the 90th Congress reached the Supreme Court, which heard the case and ruled that the House must seat a duly elected, constitutionally qualified person (Powell v. McCormack). Powell lost re-election to Charlie Rangel in the 1970 primary.

The House Dems should assign Jefferson to minor committees, revoke his seniority, investigate him thoroughly, and move to expel him if they find the evidence compelling. Meanwhile, we should follow the example of Powell and Rangel, and keep throwing challengers at him.

by bschak 2006-12-09 07:45PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the details

Ahh, corrupt congressmen - fun stuff.

BTW, what's the authority for seating this guy on any committee? Is there anything in House rules, etc. that supports the idea, or is are you just talking about respect for constituents?

by TexasDem 2006-12-09 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the details

Now that you mention it, there's no reason to seat him anywhere. The Dems refused to assign James Traficant several years ago after he was shown to be corrupt (not to mention that he voted for Newt for speaker).

by bschak 2006-12-09 08:37PM | 0 recs
What's embarassing ...

Is that the progressive community in LA don't know how to play hardball in the black community down here.  

Carter's strategy in a majority black district was to get the endorsements of white politicians?  Yeah, for a community that is still dealing with the effects of Katrina, and is incredibly mistrustful of the federal government, getting endorsements of WHITE FEDERAL politicians is going help.

Carter's campaign should have been about getting more help for New Orleans, not running ads about a corrupt congressman in a city that's used to corruption.  And for a measly 90k?  Heh ... I know of 200k used on election day as walking around money for elections in New Orleans.  

And what the hell do you people think happens when someone gets elected in New Orleans?  They get help their family and friends by funneling money  to the charity they create to give them all jobs and new places to live.  

by Ryno 2006-12-09 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: What's embarassing ...

Despite my other reply before, I do agree with you. Jefferson is hardly the worst of the congressmen. There is so much under the table corruption, what Jefferson got caught for was small time money. Other politicians who quit their political jobs only to lobby for contracts and profit richly from it are indirectly corrupt anyway.

Still, it is embarassing that this guy gets reelected.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 07:58PM | 0 recs
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I don't feel a bit sorry for anyone who voted for Jefferson. They got the person they wanted and I wish them all the joy of him.

I do feel for all the other residents of the district even those who didn't vote.

by MNPundit 2006-12-09 06:42PM | 0 recs
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Actually what they got was a lot of fear mongering which being demoralized and left behind by the rest of the country they probably grabbed onto something familar. that would be my guess. I would think that would make them a step above most american voters who did vote for bush twice, and on top of that did so even though most of them weren't directly in harms way of terrorism (based on where most americans live).

I do find it interesting that so many are ready to totally condemn these voters rather than understand where this maybe coming from. I suppose I can understand their vote reading your post.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 06:46PM | 0 recs
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The people living there are not retards. Lets not pander. They are old enough to know people like JEfferson, when caught so blatantly with money , needed to be booted.

I have nothing personally against him, as I mentioned in one of Stoller's diaries. This guy is not the worst examples of corruption, by any means. He was just stupid enough to get caught with money in his freezer. Maybe he should have gone for operating more crudely than a third world city mayor. If he had a brain, he would do what the Cheneys and Ashcrofts (for that matter, some of the more respectable democrats too) do. Just use their political position to enrich their private lives legally.

People can whine all they want about their fate, but if they keep electing incumbents even after all that has occurred, then they deserve their fate.  BLanco looks to be kicked out, but who is the frontrunner in her placce - Jindal , a guy who did nothing for that area during Katrina despite being a republican with some connections with the federal government.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 08:03PM | 0 recs
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So, they are whining about the conditions there? Well, now, that you have said that  I know where you stand, and really, there is not much more to say. peace.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 08:34PM | 0 recs
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Dude, don't act like you are the only one to care.
You very well know the context of my comment. Obviously, what a lot of residents went through during Katrina was horrible.

It's whining when people keep voting in people who are collectively part of the problem that led to their victimization during Katrina and then wonder out aloud  why they are so illserved by the same politicians. When you see the Republicans help dirty companies profit off of Katrina contracts without providing adequate services to the people, it is all the same culture of corruption. And then you minimize that by voting in another corrupt dude. Way to send a message.

I will have more sympathy when the people show they actually want to make a difference. You can't help people who don't want to do anything to make a difference. That doesnt apply just to New Orleans, but to places like CT, the troops families who voted for Bush, and other scenarios. Over the years, the political system in NO has been an embarassment. People have to take some responsbility for that.

This is not to mean I throw out all the sympathy for the truly powerless in NO who faced the wrath of Katrina. I still feel bad when I see individual cases. But on a collective basis,I am not going to waste my energy feeling bad for them if they continue to vote in incumbents. This is not a one time thing. Louisiana politics have been an embarassment for many years.

I am just getting little pissed at the number of incumbents who continue to get elected(not just LA)  despite all the blunders in the last 6 years. So some of that frustration found its way in my comments on this thread. At some point, you have to have people take some responsibility instead of making excuses for their inaction.

Complacency is part of a lot of communities, and so Louisiana is not alone in that. But when you get a lifechanging event such as Katrina, and you still refuse to throw out the bums, excuse me while my attention begins to wander a bit.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 09:08PM | 0 recs
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Father knows best.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

I wish I read this reply before I read your other replies to my comments. If I did, I would not have wasted my time replying to them. It is clear you run away from arguments when you got nothing to back up your initial commens.

by Pravin 2006-12-10 03:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

You have to understand that Louisiana is a place with hundreds of thousands of current and former residents with no real future and no permanent place to live. It was not an election about idealism and reform but bread and butter issues. Voters likely saw Jefferson as someone who might be able to help them despite his own personal problems.

by robliberal 2006-12-09 06:48PM | 0 recs
well, they guessed wrong

If they thought the crook Jefferson, who'd been stripped of his committee assignments, was the person to help them, then too bad. Maybe they'll vote for someone better next time.

by desmoinesdem 2006-12-09 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

What's the old saying? In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.

by bschak 2006-12-09 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

If this was the approach taken with teh voters- this holier than thou attitude then I can't say I am surprised at the result.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

Not pandering doesnt equate to holier than thou attitudes. We are just calling it like we see it. I am not saying Karen Carter didnt run an obtuse campaign. Then again, I do not know if she didn't run a reasonable one.

You made a valid point earlier, but after that you just act dismissive of other MYDDers without engaging in discussion. What did Karen Carter do to give off a high and mighty vibe with the locals? Inability to get local bigwigs in reaching out to the voters may be an indication that her campaign was inept, but then maybe it isn't. it could also be an indication that she was shut out of the local power structure and it wasn't really a high and mighty move to look for some national endorsements. WHich is it  - I do not know. Maybe you can provide us with examples of how Karen Carter failed to reach out to local residents when she had opportunities to do so. If you do, I am sure we can respect your positions more instead of just putting one liners dismissing you fellow MYDDers as "oh i know where you stand, peace" or "holier than thou" without addressing their points. It's this kind of low expectations that we set that leads to this kind of crap. We end up with George Bush as President and people like Hillary Clinton and McCain as  frontrunners.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

your choice of words isn't about not pandering. pandering if you told people lies, but what you are doing is more than just disagreeing with their choice, you are saying stuff like they are "whining" etc. So you can continue to spin that all you want, it is what it is, and needed not to be said that way, that you choose to do so, and others along this thread continue to talk in extremely nasty terms of teh voters says you aren't coming at this in way that I will ever respect.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

Once again, you refuse to address the points I brought up while we acknowledge you made some valid points earlier. I do not see any reciprocity when it comes to an exchange of ideas.  You just brush it off and continue on your rant.

Like I said, we will not all think alike here. But I expect some discussion related courtesy. Stick to bashing our ideas, not us. And you will get basic level of respect from us.

by Pravin 2006-12-10 03:46AM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

It's not your points- it how you show respect to voters. Why should I address your points when you are so hostile to the voters themselves. You can disagree, and still show respect, but saying things like they are "whiners" etc means your points dont get to be more important  than your lack of ability to respect them. Until you get this, there isn't much you can say that I will find necessary to listen to.

by bruh21 2006-12-10 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

I actually gave out the context of my comments - part of it frustration with a few incumbents getting voted despite gross mistakes. So you wonder out aloud. Yet you are fixated on that one line ignoring a lot of stuff i had to say about it. It was not artfully expressed, but if you looked at the body of my comments, it does give a more complete picture of what i feel. While it is not that far off from my whining statement,  it doesnt mean i discount an entire community and their suffering. But I will put less energy into understanding them if they persist in such voting patterns.

It is no different when I start losing understanding for the suffering of some soldier families if they persist in supporting people like Bush and Cheney.

We make judgements on people all the time here. But we at least talk to other people, some of who we may even judge, if they bother to enter this blog and discuss issues. Hell, I would even have a discussion with Hillary or even Lieberman before I dismiss their comments without adding anything further to a discussion. You have not added a single worthwhile new comment to this thread since your initial comment which shed some light on the situation there. YOu dont want us to judge the people there, but you have been doing that on this blog on more than one occasion. You were condescending to me during a legal related diary despite the fact that I never attacked your intelligence on that. So give me a break on understanding.

by Pravin 2006-12-10 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong
Your comment insinuating racism was not only more offensive but more offbase than my comment on whining, yet we did not shut you off. We still took the trouble to engage in discussin with you because we respect this blog. You like to act so sanctimonious, maybe you should watch what you write. So I dont know where you get off acting so sanctimonious.
I think you use the whining comment as an excuse for you lack of ability to take the discussion to the next level. Its one thing if you refuse to reply to me, but when you do so, you ignore almost every counterpoint I brought up, yet act so sanctimonious that you cannot bring yourself to discuss with me. Yet you feel the need to reply to me many times saying exactly that. If you are going to bother reply, what is stopping you from addressing the specific points I brought up? For a guy who was involved in the law(if my memory serves me right), you sure do a bad job at debating on a point by point basis.
by Pravin 2006-12-10 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

right- everyone else sems to be getting the point but you in other diaries stoller and others seems to get it. i wil leave you to whatever point you think you are making

by bruh21 2006-12-10 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: well, they guessed wrong

They did not say racism is what caused some of the flippant comments about the voters here. Nice try.

by Pravin 2006-12-10 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

I can't say I am surprised. I am curios did the other campaign combat the whole "white candidate" meme? If so, how?

by bruh21 2006-12-09 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Pelosi has it in for Jefferson, and apparently all of Louisiana.

Jefferson proposed that Charlie Melancon (D-LA) take his place on the Ways & Means committee, and Pelosi ignored him.  This would have been a great compromise for everyone: Pelosi gets him off the committee, and Louisiana doesn't get fucked.  Oh well.

And where's the word "levee" on that first hundred hours thing.

Secession.  We've been utterly abandoned.

by DrAsh 2006-12-09 06:50PM | 0 recs
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You know how you're not supposed to negotiate with people who take hostages? Yeah, same thing.

by Mullibok 2006-12-09 06:55PM | 0 recs
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"Jefferson proposed that Charlie Melancon (D-LA) take his place on the Ways & Means committee, and Pelosi ignored him."

If Jefferson had quietly taken the deal to Pelosi and said that he would accept it, it probably would have happened. But once it was out in the open that it was a "deal" the scandal-tainted Jefferson was offering, that option was off the table.

The Democratic leadership in the House needs to put as much distance between themselves and scandal-tainted politicians as they can. That includes Jefferson. It should have included Alcee Hastings and John Murtha.

If you promise to run the "most honest, ethical, and open Congress in history", then you just can't be willing to work closely with these people.

The words "honest", "ethical", and "open" have meaning: And I can't find "$90,000 in a freezer", "impeached for taking a $150,000 bribe", and "video taped saying highly ambiguous things about taking a $50,000 bribe" anywhere inside those definitions.

Justin Alexander
The Alexandrian

by Justin Alexander 2006-12-09 07:28PM | 0 recs
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A guy who stashes money in his fridge has no moral authority to be demanding deals. He should have shut his mouth and left in humility.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

You know, the more I hear about this, as someone who reflexively thought (and, really, still thinks) Jefferson is guilty, the more I wonder. There's nothing illegal about stashing 90k in your freezer, is there? Is that worse than having 900k in your mutual funds, legally-speaking?

At the moment, Jefferson is an alleged criminal. Whatever he's alleged to have done, the 90k isn't the heart of the matter, and in fact reveals as much about us as him. My grandmother stashed all her money in her closet: she didn't trust banks.

I realize this sound incredibly naive, but do we want to allow FBI indictments to absolutely disqualify politicians for re-election? Especially black politicians, who perhaps don't have the historically happiest relationship with law enforcement alleging criminal acts?

I wish Carter won, but I'm not about to condemn the voters of NO ..

by BingoL 2006-12-10 02:26AM | 0 recs
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I get the whole black distrust of politicians. But then a lot of them do have a good bullshit detection meter too. I do not know the racial breakdown of the voters in this election and who they voted for. But I have not heard one semi convincing excuse from Jefferson regarding the money in the fridge. If I am a black person, I would be questioning why the Feds tend to focus on corrupt black politicians with a greater zeal. But that does not change the fact that Jefferson was caught with 90K in his freezer and he has yet to come up with a semi plausible excuse. So while I would be skeptical of the Feds intentions, it does not change the fact that people like Jefferson cannot continue to stay on when caught so blatantly.

What I would like to see is what is the body of Jefferson's work. Has he been a local stalwart when it came to getting things done for his community? HOw was he during Katrina? Or in the past. I will still not like his relection but at least, I can rationalize some kind of sentimental attachment to good local guy who slipped once.

by Pravin 2006-12-10 03:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Let us not forget that the bills were "marked."  Any doubts now?  Sure nothing wrong with stuffing $90k in your freezer.  Perfectly legal.  Marked money is another matter.

by DrJohn 2006-12-10 12:25PM | 0 recs
Whatever

He'll go to jail soon enough.

by Mullibok 2006-12-09 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Abandoned is right.

One of the worst things about this situation is that the re-election of Jefferson makes it harder for the Democrats in Congress to pursue allegations of corruption by the Republicans.

You think?  Come down and drive around this city and tell us that this is the worst thing.

Corruption was never the most important issue in this election, and y'all never got that.

Have a safe trip home.  See you again in two years when we matter again.

by ray in new orleans 2006-12-09 06:59PM | 0 recs
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I disagree. As much as I am disappointed by this election, it doesn't matter at the national level. It's not like the Dem Party leaders have coddled Jefferson.  There have been corrupt Dems in the past, and there will be in the future.

There were corrupt Republican leaders inthe 90s. It didn't stop them from going after Clinton.

This should not stop the Democrats from washing their hands off Jefferson and pursue bad republicans. There is nothing hypocritical as the party did not endorse Jefferson for reelection. It is the will of the people.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 09:21PM | 0 recs
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"You think?  Come down and drive around this city and tell us that this is the worst thing. Corruption was never the most important issue in this election, and y'all never got that."

Republican corruption and cronyism directly contributed to the disastrously poor response to Katrina. So even just narrowly looking at that one issue, pursuing and ending the corruption of Republicans is important. It's not the only thing that needs to be done, but it's definitely one of them.

Justin Alexander
The Alexandrian

by Justin Alexander 2006-12-10 04:17PM | 0 recs
Whatever, Matt

The guy was caught with 90K marked bills in his freezer, period. Don't make excuses. Those who voted for Jefferson made a mistake.

Have you lived in Louisiana before? Katrina had nothing to do with it; a freakish acceptance of corruption is the only explanation.

by TexasDem 2006-12-09 07:03PM | 0 recs
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This is just such good fodder for the wingers who will charge the democratic party for keeping him rather than the voters stupid enough to vote for him.  The party cannot throw him out and now he is going to be there and nothing can be done.  I just hope Pelosi puts him somewhere in a corner or in bad committees to keep him from embarassing us more than it already is.

by vwcat 2006-12-09 07:09PM | 0 recs
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Louisana is Louisana. Ain't no hurricaine gonna change that corrupt culture.

by herbal tee 2006-12-09 07:28PM | 0 recs
Maybe Louisiana deserves it

Look at all the incumbents who got voted in after the Katrina disaster. I would have booted almost everyone out at the state and federal levels after the disaster.

Now Jindal, who did crap, is a frontrunner for GOvernor?

Mary Landrieu continues to be safe. THis state seems to have had high tolerance for corruption.

I am getting a little impatient with feeling sorry for a bunch of people who are unwilling to do what is necessary to fix their state.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe Louisiana deserves it

Landrieu is not that safe. Louisiana is a GOP pickup opportunity.

by robliberal 2006-12-09 07:58PM | 0 recs
What about for 2008

You think the state will go for another Republican at the federal level after the federal agency disaster during Katrina?

Just curious.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: What about for 2008

Yes there is a good chance a Republican could win the Senate seat in 2008.

by robliberal 2006-12-10 04:52AM | 0 recs
Re: What about for 2008

You think most of the people whose houses were destroyed by Katrina and haven't been able to return to Louisiana were Republican?

by Englishlefty 2006-12-10 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: What about for 2008

Many if not most were Democrats. They won't be voting in Louisiana in 2008 so that will be hundreds of thousands less votes in the Senate election. That is why it is a good GOP pickup opportunity since Landrieu narrowly won the last 2 elections.

by robliberal 2006-12-10 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

It's simple. He should not get on any committee as long as there's a cloud over him. That's in the interest of the country. Corruption is something our elected reps must not do. So, even if there are alegations, pro-active measures must be taken. Likewise, if a person is accused of molesting a kid, he is put on "desk duty" or something. You can't leave him in place until he's convicted. Com'on.

This looks really bad for the Dems, so Pelosi should step up to the plate and deliver. And, yes, the people elected him, but anyone who puts $90,000 in his freezer has something to hide...

The Dem party should stand on principle and deny him any position of power. What if tomorrow, somehow a David Duke gets elected? The party shouldn't be such a wide tent that bigots, and corrupt pols can find a home!

by Andros 2006-12-09 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

I have to say that some of the comments along this thread have more than just a little bit fo the smell of being holy than thou, and potentially a wiff of racism. ie, statements like voters there shouldn't "whine" etc. Do I think this was the right vote? No. Do I agree with the attitude being exuded here? No. I can only hope that the people here to not represent the strategy of the campaign against Jefferson there. I can understand where these voters are coming from. That many of you can not is disturbing more so than the vote.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

As someone who did use the word whine, let me just say one thing. Shut the hell up if you are unwilling to address points you differ on. We are not going to agree on everything on MYDD. So have some respect for your fellow MYDDer at least on a basic level without attributing racism or classism or whatever to the person you differ with. If yo have a problem with our viewpoints, how about trying to debate those points first before attacking us later if you find it futile to argue with us. THe only times I have attacked you was when you attacked me on a personal level instead of sticking with debunking any points I made. I am pretty open about people critcising what I say, but your smugness is something else. Despite your smugness, I gave you the courtesy of a reply, but then you do a hit and run reply about the same thign without even acknowledging my reply.

Using words like racism is ridiculous when you see the stronger language people like me have used against predominantly white voters who vote for Bush against their own interests, white politicans and white CT residents who voted for Lieberman.

by Pravin 2006-12-09 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

your hostiality continues to prove the point. so now anyone who disagrees with your approach needs to shut the hell up.

by bruh21 2006-12-09 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Feel free to say what you want. Just stay on topic instead of attacking us. If you attack us, sure, all bets are off, and we will attack you back. What goes around comes around.

by Pravin 2006-12-10 03:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

I am not attacking you, and the person who gave me a one just because I disagree with your hostility toward the voters proves my point. Your hostility toward the voters rather than trying to figure out how to gain their votes is the proble with your post. I have yet to see a comment from yo uon this thread that isn't open hositlity toward them,a nd I don't  care how many ones you or your allies give me for speaking the truth to your condescension.

by bruh21 2006-12-10 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Office- if you are unable to comment without giving people ratings, then don't give a ratings. I can't comment on a ratings as to your thinking, and it like Pravin's approach is profoundly lacking in discourse meant to reach someone.

by bruh21 2006-12-10 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

I doubt Jefferson is going to get a standing ovation. Jefferson ( like Wynn and others) are embarrassments but Bad as this is it still doesn't compare to lierman (Sen. -CFL) getting a chairmanship.

The entire Senate embarrassed itself then.

Plus it is being sold as "honest" graft v. "dishonest" graft. No misunderstanding here.

Not like Biden's unhealthy symbiotic relationship MBNA but that's legal.
Not like Pharmaceuticals campaign/legal/pac contributions.

Hell Jefferson had petty cash in a freezer.

The serious money - 10's of millions of dollars $10,000,000.00's-was getting laundered through Abernoff and Grover Norquist. While Norquist, Reed and others are still being treated with respect, held to be "serious" people by the liberal media, and not in a holding cell for ....(money laundering, Fraud, bribery, racketeering, missuse of the mails, something, anything; take your pick. Hey - they used tax's to get Capone)

Meanwhile a Congressman from Louisana is shown to be corrupt ( Horrors - a corrupt congressman, NO,  from Louisana - Neveh)

Several years ago there was a dubious FBI "investigation of the Mayor of Philly in the middle of an election. Not that that could be seen to poison the perspective of a NOLA resident.

Gotta be a bit paranoid about differences here.

Don't get me wrong I think Jefferson is exactly the image and reality that we in the country can no longer endure and the following is meant as parellels of "local" perspective only but having been a Chicago resident I still think that Rostenkowski was not a bad Congressman. Perhaps I have an unhealthy tolerance for petty corruption.

Remember Rostenkowski was the head of Ways and Means he was popped for selling stamps. This was like hearing of a Corporate executive being busted for shoplifting. He could have gotten more from Corporate "contributions", as has his successors at that position.

Crimes have been committed. But shouldn't they be pursued on levels of seriousness, $ value/cost/involvement, lost social and political oppurtunity. Get the bank robber first, catch the shoplifter later.

by Rational 2006-12-09 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

There is no possibility there will ever be complete "purity" in politics, government, business, academia, religion, or anything else. Prosecutors go after petty corruption because they know they cannot survive if they go after the big corruption. In the war on drugs for example you would think from watching the news that all drug dealers are minorities who stand on street corners. It is a sad reality that the big fish who live in multi-million houses and socialize with the wealthy and elite are rarely touched and only then if they make some kind of major mistake.

by robliberal 2006-12-09 08:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

"This situation is just so embarrassingly awful."

And that's an understatement.
Anybody wondering why the world doesn't trust the US?
Face reality, folks! About half of US citizen are stark raving mad.
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by Gray 2006-12-10 01:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

whats even more auwful is the fact that theres evan a question as to weather or not he will get back on the committee.

by idahojim 2006-12-10 03:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Wow.  A lot of angry young white folks out here today.

Pravin has a new approach to Congress.  If anyone is elected who doesn't pass the Pravin smell-test, they should be given discriminatory treatment by the Party leadership.  If the people of their district suffer, well that's OK because those residents don't deserve vigorous representation.  

How about trying a democratic model instead.  The people get to vote the way they want and we treat the person they elect with great respect as their representative.

Jefferson hasn't even been indicted.  He is under investigation, as is not terribly uncommon.  Black people in America have ample reason to distrust law enforcement, specifically in regard to planted evidence, "testilying" and prosecutorial misconduct.  
Although I wouldn't have voted for Jefferson, I understand why voters in that district don't care a lot about federal investigations at this point.  But no matter, he is elected and should be returned to his committee assignments, with appropriate seniority, until and if he is ever indicted.

by Thaddeus 2006-12-10 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

I didn't read that into Pravin's comments at all.

WHat I see is a lot of justified disappointment at the voters in this District.  Judging by their vote, it appears they are perfectly willing to support a truly nasty, corrupt politician.  If they can't clean their own house, why should the rest of the country feel compelled to do it for them?

by weinerdog43 2006-12-10 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Please list which of the 50 states have no corrupt politicians.

by robliberal 2006-12-10 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

Wow, what a terrific response.  

Grow up junior.  

by weinerdog43 2006-12-10 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

We didn't win the election. I don't think anybody here, had they had the chance, would have voted for Jefferson. But for whatever reason, alleged corruption wasn't a big enough reason to sink him and he has to be seated.

Preferably seated somewhere out of the way, certainly, but if you screw over Jefferson, you screw over his whole district, including those who voted for Carter or (the vast majority) who weren't able or weren't motivated by either candidate to vote.

And I don't quite see how screwing over the victims of Katrina shows superior progressive morals.

by Englishlefty 2006-12-10 07:40AM | 0 recs
the Ned Lamont precedent

Not so long ago, folks on these blogs
were crying that the voters in the CT
Democratic primary had chosen Ned Lamont,
and that the party leaders should respect
that choice.

Same deal.

The Democratic voters in New Orleans have
chosen Wm. Jefferson in this election,
and the party leaders should respect
that choice.

by Woody 2006-12-10 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Committee Assignments and Jefferson

You guys are all right.  We're just a bunch of ign'rnt fuckmooks.  Because Jefferson Parish picked the wrong guy, you shouldn't rebuild New Orleans.

Rot in hell.

by DrAsh 2006-12-10 02:21PM | 0 recs

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