Reads like Evan Bayh is out

Kari Chisholm on BB here about an hour ago dropped a bomb on a late Friday night that Bayh is dropping out. Now CBS has it too:
(CBS) There has been intense speculation among Democrats Friday night that Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh will not seek his party's nomination for president in 2008, CBS News has learned. Bayh's office has not yet responded to requests for comment. This isn't too surprising, as Bayh just never got traction, and always seemed to be getting overshadowed, most recently by Obama in NH. The Bayh people always talked about how his turn would come, but sometimes it just doesn't.

I guess his dropping out at this state leaves him technically in the potential VP-potential slot (I vote for Warner). But where does Bayh's support go? I would imagine to what's shaping up to be the big three: Obama, Clinton & Edwards. But Bayh's dropping out also gives a little big of breathing room for someone in the second tier potentially gaining some oxygen, like Vilsack (if he gains in Iowa); Richardson (if he shows traction in Nevada); and Dodd or Clark (if they show traction anywhere). Of course, if Gore gets in, the second tier can forget about it. Will he?  Who knows, but I'd bet against it.

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Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

"But where does Bayh's support go?"

LOL! Tens of people up for grabs...

by Steve in Sacto 2006-12-15 05:29PM | 0 recs
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It's like splitting a single Pringle.

Look: maybe Bayh could have broken through, maybe he wouldn't have.  If anyone is helped, it's the remainder of the second-tier: Richardson, Dodd, Clark, etc -- gives each of them a little more of a chance to break through.

by Adam B 2006-12-15 05:47PM | 0 recs
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Hehehe...splitting a single Pringle. Good analogy. :)

by PsiFighter37 2006-12-15 05:57PM | 0 recs
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This has got to be one of the funniest comments of the year. I know people that have been working their tails off for Bayh, but I can't see more than a few faithful being crushed by this announcement.

by Noonan 2006-12-15 06:15PM | 0 recs
Second Tier???

If anyone is helped, it's the remainder of the second-tier: Richardson, Dodd, Clark
The would imply that Bayh was second tier, rather than third, fourth, fifth, or... wait for it... 96th.

Of course, it says the same about Dodd and Richardson.  I think Clark is arguably second tier.  But "Cloattail Bill" Richardson couldn't deliver one lousy House seat. And Dodd. Dodd? Maybe he's the new Evan Bayh. Poor guy.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-12-16 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Second Tier???

I left out Gov. Vilsack; I didn't mean to.  As far as NM-01 is concerned, Richardson can't go out and debate Heather Wilson; Patricia Madrid had to screw that up herself.

My assessment of the tiers:
Frontrunners: Clinton, Edwards, Obama, [Gore]
One of them will break through and be a real player, at least for a while: Vilsack, Richardson
Competing to be the next Bob Graham/Dick Lugar: Joe Biden, Chris Dodd
Minimal chance: Clark, Kerry
NCIH: Kucinich, Sharpton

by Adam B 2006-12-16 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

Sounds like the Kucinich wave.

by IowaMike 2006-12-15 06:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

So true.

I mean the polls have him on 1%, 2%. Mark Warner started running at the right moment to give himself a chance. He then decided to drop out. The likes of Bayh, Clark and Richardson should have been putting their name out there throughout 2006, building name recognition. Incompetence is the word I'd use.

by kundalini 2006-12-16 06:31AM | 0 recs
Don't Forget the MOE

With a 600 person poll, 1% support comes with a 0.8% MOE at 95% confidence level.  With 1000 people, it comes with 0.64% MOE.

Plus, I bet quite a few folks above a certain age still mistake him for his father.

When more than half your support probably comes from statistical noise plus mistaken identity, dropping out early may be the best sign of presidential judgement.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-12-16 07:18AM | 0 recs
Evan Bayh is out

I wonder if anyone has crunched the numbers on what turnout would likely be among the black electorate if Obama was the candidate, and how that would affect the outcome?  I assume that turnout from that community would be huge, but I don't know enough about the numbers to understand the implications.

by global yokel 2006-12-15 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Evan Bayh is out

In what states would it make a difference?  I'm reading "Whistling Past Dixie" and one of the points Prof. Schaller makes is that even with black voters being a much higher percentage of the electorate in the South than in other states, Republicans easily win all the Southern states.  Which states with high enough black populations to matter are swing states?  

by Rowena 2006-12-15 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Evan Bayh is out

Schaller may have to revise his theory somewhat after the TN Senate race. TN only has a 16% black population and Ford came within 3 points. Other states such as AL and MS have a black population that is even twice that of TN. Democrats have renewed potential to win state and Senate races in the South and may have a good shot at some in the presidential race. Clinton or Clark would carry Arkansas and could potentially add some other states as well. Because of Katrina there is a lot of anger at the GOP in LA and MS so even those states could be in play to some extent with the right nominee.

by robliberal 2006-12-15 07:02PM | 0 recs
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The border states: Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, Virginia, maybe North Carolina.  Also any Great Lakes state with a large industrial city: Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan.

Where it doesn't count: Iowa, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, West Virginia, New Hampshire.

Also, Florida is 16% black, so supersize black turnout there could make a difference.

by texas dem 2006-12-16 01:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Black increase but White Decrease!

All the extra 1%,2% even 5 % in black vote will easily be offset by moderate/conservative Independent swing white voters & conservative white Democratic voters.

Plus, some redneck whites who never bother to vote would vote just to stop a black person from being president.

Black voters which are overwhelmingly Democratic can & will make a big difference in the dem primary. But in the general election, they're numbers are easily offset by white turnout.

by livyoga 2006-12-16 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Black increase but White Decrease!

Do you know how many conservative Democrats in the South, Southwest Mountain states, & the midwest vote for Democrats in statewide elections but cross to vote Republican in Presidential elections whenever we field a perceive " Liberal" Presidential candidate. Ask John Kerry.

And what do you think this conservative Democrats in states like Montana, TN, AR, WV,VA would do when Obama runs in the general?

by livyoga 2006-12-16 07:07PM | 0 recs
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Even if it has no effect on the national outcome, the down ballot and party building effects would be huge.

Here in NC there are county's whose commissioners could change, and our hold on the Governor and legislature would be strengthened. The same is true throughout the south even if Schaller is basically correct with regard to the most efficient route to the White House.

Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Ohio all would benefit at the national (presidential) level I suspect.

by demondeac 2006-12-15 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Evan Bayh is out

An Obama candidacy would definitely change the outcome of the primary here in SC.  South Carolina's population is 30% African-American.  Right now most of the prominent African-American political leaders have thrown their weight behind Joe Biden (and some remain supporters of Edwards), but most of them will jump ship and support Obama if he runs.

by Laurin from SC 2006-12-16 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Evan Bayh is out

Why are they supporting Biden?

by robliberal 2006-12-16 06:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Evan Bayh is out

Biden has been cultivating relationships with Democrats in South Carolina for many, many years, and I'd say that's one of the main reasons he's got such strong support here.  

At a recent Biden event in Columbia, I saw more SC African American political leaders than I have at any such Presidential-hopeful's event here.  Biden knows which endorsements are key here, and he's been courting these folks for years.

Biden also has strong support among white Dems here.  He is extraordinarily close to former Sen. Fritz Hollings, who served SC in the Senate for 38 years, and has at least two of Hollings' senior staffers helping run his operation here.

Biden received praise from Democrats and Republicans alike when he delivered the eulogy at the funeral of Strom Thurmond back in 2003, and probably in large part because of that eulogy, he's got pretty high name recognition here.

I wrote about Biden's "slave state" comment on MyDD a week or so ago, and, after talking to other Dems in SC, I concluded that most folks were inclined to give Biden the benefit of the doubt that the remarks were taken out of context and not to be overly sensitive about it.  (In general, Southerners are averse to anything that reeks of political correctness.)

The last reason I don't think Biden should be dismissed is because he is very good at retail politics.  (John Edwards sucks at retail politics.     While SC supported him in 2004, I predict that if Obama doesn't run, Biden carries SC.)

And for the record, I'm not a Biden supporter.  I'm simply giving an assessment of what I've observed here in the past year.

by Laurin from SC 2006-12-16 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out
I agree that Gore will not be getting in.  I just look at him today and he seems happier and much more at peace than at any time.  
I think he sometimes thinks about it but, on the whole, I think if he sat down and thought he'd not have the stomach.  He is enjoying life and doing something of great importance and is free to be himself.  We all may want him to run but, I am happy he has found himself and a calling and purpose in life that makes him happier than ever.
by vwcat 2006-12-15 05:53PM | 0 recs
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I remember seeing Bob Dole on Saturday Night Live not long after he lost his presidential bid in 1996.  He really looked 20 years younger.  Being president, a presidential candidate, or even a speculative presidential candidate is very hard on a person.

by fwiffo 2006-12-15 07:05PM | 0 recs
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TYhe idea of Gore is just silly. The American pulbic isnt interested in Al Gore. He had his chance, it didnt happen and since than some of his behavior will only come back to haunt him. Its obvious who the biug 3 are, Clinton, Edwards and Obama. Personally, I thikn Clinton is poison. I think Edwards and Obama are better choices. However, I really like Vilsack. There is just so much to like about the guy. I think he would make a great candidate.

by adbct 2006-12-15 05:57PM | 0 recs
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In my opinion, Vilsack would certainly be a better general election candidate than Obama or Edwards.  

by Rowena 2006-12-15 06:07PM | 0 recs
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Based on what? I don't see that at all.

by Populism2008 2006-12-16 01:38AM | 0 recs
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On the contrary, the American public is very interested in Al Gore. He would take the nomination and the presidency. There is no better story for a candidate: the President-elect for the past eight years finally gets to serve his first term. The fiery revenge of the wronged who nevertheless comes forward to save the world. It is a brilliant narrative.

As for what he's done since 2000, his stance on the war was correct from the start, as was his endorsement of Dean over Lieberman. And he gave powerful speeches to that effect. Outside politics, the movie is instantly changing people's minds about the man -- even Republicans. I do not know of any particular behavior that could possibly haunt him since 2000. Or earlier, for that matter. Did he, I don't know, personally allow the biggest terrorist attack on the soil of the United States ever? Did he go AWOL? Did Tipper ever kill a man (even accidentally, like Laura Bush did)?

Gore's one big failing is that he picked Lieberman in 2000. He has since atoned for it, big time.

by lightyearsfromhome 2006-12-15 07:26PM | 0 recs
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If Gore were running against Bush in '08, yes.

McCain is on record for climate change legislation (McCain/Lieberman bill calling for caps on CO2 output has been in the hopper for years).

National pollls do not show the movement toward Gore, either.

Sad to say, as I am a HUGE fan of his.

The real question is whether the media feels contrite about the hatchet job they did in 2000.

by demondeac 2006-12-15 07:49PM | 0 recs
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"as was his endorsement of Dean over Lieberman."

Frankly I don't think the American people cares about this.

by Populism2008 2006-12-16 01:39AM | 0 recs
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Your implication that Bush personally allowed 9/11 to happen is absurd and abhorrent. Further the idea that he disappeared on 9/11 is absurd. Fact is the Secret Service dictated his being whisked away...if you knew a little somethign about how they operate under cushc circumstances, you would understand that it was not feasbile or possible or sane for a President to do anythign different than what was done that day.

Your comments are absurd and just smell of bitterness over Gore losing in 2000. Hell I dont even like Bush and I can see through your partisan bitter comments. Move on......

by adbct 2006-12-30 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

Saw him in Iowa last week. The field won't be missing him.

by danIA 2006-12-15 05:58PM | 0 recs
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I don't know that Bayh bowing out really moves the field at all.

Perhaps Vilsack, being another centrist, Midwestern, somewhat unexciting politician can pick up some Bayh supporters.

But I tend to agree with the hilarious pringle comment above.  Not much was there.

by KansasNate 2006-12-15 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

I don't think the "tiers" of candidates have shaken out yet.  Its a year+ before the primaries start and we don't even know how the "money primary" shakes out.  Where does Obama get $40 - $50 million from?  Is there a reason for the big contributors to back Obama?  In other words, do the big contributors actually think he can win the presidency?  Does he have an actual message (as opposed to just being a fresh, new face) that would get small dollar contributor money like Dean did?  Dean had anti-Iraq war when no one else was anti-Iraq war.

The Senators can carry over their campaign warchests but I heard that governors cannot do that and I heard that Edwards and Clark cannot legally even begin to raise money until they announce.  

by Rowena 2006-12-15 06:04PM | 0 recs
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Obama says he can get the big money. No reason to doubt him. Soros meeting a couple weeks ago, Hollywood, Dick Durbin connections, etc.

Obama has gathered more small donations (under $200) than any other contender at this point, too.

As for the message, it starts at the big picture level and more specific policy stuff gets rolled out later as Eric Schmeltzer notes:

Though Obama might not be quenching the thirst for detailed plans and proposals that many readers on here have, and desperately want to see Obama lay out, what he is doing is very smart. In fact, it's the only way the Presidency has been won in modern times.
To run a successful campaign, it is essential that you start with the big picture, and then work your way down to issues. If you go the other way around, you're caught trying to fit a bunch of disjointed pieces together into a larger vision. That rarely, if ever, works. You can take a look at the candidacies of John Kerry, Al Gore, Bob Dole and so on as ones that never really defined the grand vision of where they wanted to take the country, but rather focused on issues first, and worried about a direction later.

Jimmy Carter started with the promise of a government as good as its people. Ronald Reagan had the theme of his presidency restoring confidence in a secure America. George H.W. Bush had his kinder, gentler nation. Bill Clinton opened his campaign with restoring the promise of America (which later became A Place Called Hope). George W. Bush talked of a nation of compassionate conservatism. None of these candidates opened up the dialogue talking about trade, or the environment, or singular issues. Yes, they espoused general views on them, as Barack Obama has, but none of them fleshed anything out until the campaign moved forward, and did so in such a way that it was consistent with the vision they had for America.

by demondeac 2006-12-15 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

V. interesting piece.  People don't choose a restaurant on the basis of whether its tortellini ala vodka is good as much as by learning, by reputation, that its chef is good.

by Adam B 2006-12-16 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

I am a little surprised that Bayh is dropping out since he is one of the few who had a good bit of money in the bank which would have gotten him on the air in Iowa and NH.

I think another will drop out shortly.

It is increasingly looking like a Clinton Obama Edwards race. The odds are very much against any others because of the fundrasing, polls, and amount of support the big 3 will have. Clinton Obama and Edwards would all have to stumble very badly for someone else to get into play.

by robliberal 2006-12-15 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

I think you have it right with Clinton/Obama/Edwards.  Wes Clark barely hangs on in fourth place hoping for a miracle.   All the others...thank you for playing.   (I take Gore at his word that he's not running...when you get folks getting their knickers moist that Gore hasn't absolutely completely supermegafantastically ruled out running, it's sad.)

Fwiw, I've heard repeatedly via several sources that Richardson has a Clintonesque zipper problem.

As to figuring out who Bayh's strength help, parceling out one percent support is getting dangerously close to arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

by InigoMontoya 2006-12-15 07:45PM | 0 recs
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Why Clark, and not Richardson or Vilsack?

by Adam B 2006-12-16 05:23AM | 0 recs
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In hindsight it is pretty obvious that the likes of Clark, Richardson, Bayh etc needed to start running in early 2006, to get name recognition, to build their case, to get 8%, 9% 10% in the polls, before Obama announced.

It's just too late now. They missed their chance. The media isn't going to take any notice of someone polling under 5% when HRC is 35% +, when Obama has momentum, when Edwards is serious about running. Donors aren't going to be throwing money at Wes Clark when he's nowhere in the polls. His only chance is if the netroots' small donors keep him alive then something weird happens that perhaps wrecks the candidacy of either Obama or HRC. Personally, I think Clark will say he's not running.

by kundalini 2006-12-16 06:44AM | 0 recs
Who represents the center-right now?

The center-right Dems are running out of guys fast.

One has to assume Obama benefits most, since he has the most appeal to the "sensible center".

And, yes, Richardson gains because that's just one less personality profile every month he has to compete with.

On a side note, does anyone else think that with Bayh gone, Lieberman might actually take another stab at saving us from ourselves?

by jcjcjc 2006-12-15 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Who represents the center-right now?

If Joe's on a national ticket in 2008, it'll be with Saint McCain on the Prolong the Quagmire ticket.

by PsiFighter37 2006-12-15 06:19PM | 0 recs
I disagree

Just as folks have spent years foreshadowing McCain's transition to some politics of national unity, I think people are missing the mark on Lieberman.

These guys are egomaniacs for sure, but they have a strange partisan bent where they think they have to save their political party from ... well ... something.

In McCain's case, something has crystallized into ram-rodding the GOP into sending more troops into Iraq.  He's won the argument on some level, but I suspect 20-40,000 more troops greatly disappoints McCain, who has always had a fucked up goal of introducing impressment under the guise of "national service".

McCain is convinced everyone on the planet except him is a babbling pussy in need of a spine transplant.

Lieberman I think is a bit more complex.  One, I think Lieberman believes his civil rights legacy gives him a claim to a broad chunk of the donkey brand.  Two, Lieberman's complex goes deeper into the party itself.  

While McCain is convinced we should start hitting babies in the face to toughen them up, Lieberman is into a deep psychoanalytic view of the Dems at a crossroads.

To put it more simply: McCain is completely fucking nuts; Lieberman is just an egomaniac.

by jcjcjc 2006-12-15 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Who represents the center-right now?

Vilsak will get more of the centrists, since he might be the only one left.

by IowaMike 2006-12-15 06:31PM | 0 recs
I'd give Vilsack a look

I'm in that group who would strongly prefer a governor.  Unless someone like Rendell, Spitzer or maybe even Schweitzer pulls something unexpected, Vilsack and Richardson are the only serious governors in this thing.

I never particularly like Hillary, and I refuse to support an on-going dual-monarchy of the Clintons and the Bushes.

Obama needs to impress me more, and so far he's been a joke.  A great voice doesn't make you a great leader, especially with what the President will face in January 2009.

Edwards... ditto, with maybe a little less cynicism as credit for at least developing a strong narrative of what he wants for America.

by jcjcjc 2006-12-15 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

The mere specter of Obama is scaring the crap out of everyone.  I guess that weekend were Obama was on his "book tour" in NH and CRUSHED Bayh might ahve been the moment he got the clue and decided to fold his tent.

by DaveB 2006-12-15 07:03PM | 0 recs
Can't be Vilsack...

...because what's the first thing a lot of males will think of upon hearing his name?  Hint:  It has to do with a "sack."  

by Phoenix Woman 2006-12-15 07:03PM | 0 recs
Second DLC'er to pull out

I'm glad they realize we don't want them.

by Bob Brigham 2006-12-15 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Second DLC'er to pull out

Fiengold?

The thinking that the DLC matters anymore is uninformed enough.

by Jerome Armstrong 2006-12-16 03:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

I think it would be interesting to see a Edwards/Obama ticket, but I don't know if that would to appeal to all.

by SocialDem 2006-12-15 07:43PM | 0 recs
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It would appeal to me more than any ticket with Bayh (unless we are talking about Birch)
by Bob Brigham 2006-12-15 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

I see Obama as more of a VP canidate at this point. He is still relatively new. Edwards on the other I think most people can agree on. Atleast Democrats. But I would love to see Edwards as the Pres. and Obama getting the VP. It could be a lauching position for Obama in 2012.

by SocialDem 2006-12-15 08:06PM | 0 recs
You mean 2016

Because we intend to win this thing in 2008.

by jcjcjc 2006-12-15 08:35PM | 0 recs
here's the Indy Star confirmation

Bayh won't run:


"As you know I have been exploring helping the people of my state and our country in a different capacity," he wrote. "After talking with family and friends over the past several days, I have decided that this is not the year for me to run for President and I will not be a candidate for the presidency in 2008.

"It wasn't an easy decision but it was the right one for my family, my friends and my state. I have always prided myself on putting my public responsibilities ahead of my own ambitions."

He conceded the odds were against him, describing himself as a "relatively unknown candidate."

"This path -- and these long odds -- would have required me to be essentially absent from the Senate for the next year instead of working to help the people of my state and the nation," he said in the statement.

"There may be no campaign in the near future, but there is much work to be done. When the Senate returns, I will focus on the issues that matter to the people of my state and are critical to the future of the nation including reducing our dependence on foreign oil, creating opportunity for middle class families, and implementing a national security strategy that is both tough and smart."

by John DE 2006-12-15 07:50PM | 0 recs
thanks for sitting on that cash, Bayh

A few of our candidates could have used some of your campaign funds. Couldn't you see two months ago that your presidential bid was not going anywhere?

by desmoinesdem 2006-12-15 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks for sitting on that cash, Bayh
Damn straight. Bayh was too stupid to get it and only half bright enough to realize we hated his DLC ass. That $10 million could have gone a long way.
by Bob Brigham 2006-12-15 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

You're all missing the real story here. Any joker can point out that Bayh at 1% in the polls. Anyone who's read the reports coming out of Iowa knows that he was making (albeit slowly) real inroads there. However, no one had worked harder than Bayh at fundraising over the last two years however. Bayh's fundraising strength was making it difficult for people like Vilsack, Biden, Richardson, and yes, even Edwards to get fundraising traction.

What's separating the first and second tiers isn't polling - it's fundraising.

by blueflorida 2006-12-15 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

When will Clark announce his intentions?

by Populism2008 2006-12-16 01:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

On a similar vein to what global yoke was discussing, it looks like Obama, if he runs, will be the only African American candidate in the '08 primaries.  If African American voters show up en masse and vote overwhelmingly for him the way they did for Jesse Jackson in '88 (but not for Al Sharpton in '04), he will win a lot of southern primaries.  The phenomenon in southern primaries could be similar to that in '88, which features a black candidate getting almost all the black vote (Jackson, Obama) against a southern regional candidate (Gore, Edwards assuming he runs and assuming Clark and Gore don't run as other southerners).  That might enable a white northerner (Dukakis, perhaps Hillary Clinton) to win with pluralities.

by Comic Book Guy 2006-12-16 04:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Edwards

A pairing that could get some votes.....that is if the O man doesn't wilt from the prolonged media expousure and eventual push-back from the neocons.

I have some cool o stuff on my blog....check it out.

by rggedat 2006-12-16 04:55AM | 0 recs
Bay Out, Helps Second-Tier Candidates

I think the rather unexpected withdrawl of Evan Bayh does help everybody but Senators Clinton & Obama. It also says to Al Gore that he has a real shot but he will have to work a little.  It's a boost for Bill Richardson too.

There are a lot of serious people who care deeply about foreign policy who are skeptical of the frontrunners. A lot of 'em have money. If he runs, Wes Clark will be a natural for this constituency. Evan Bayh was taken very seriously by national security (in an expanded sense!) Democrats. There is not just a little more oxygen for the non-frontrunners.

Clearly, the first tier now is Clinton, Obama & Edwards. That probably won't change till Iowa. Someone else will do better than expeected and it just might be non-Senator, General Wesley Clark.

by howardpark 2006-12-16 04:57AM | 0 recs
Clark Scenario

Imagine if Clark's bid takes a good while to gain traction, while the others slog it out? Imagine he invests his campaign in, and then takes Iowa?

That would throw a huge wrench into the Clinton/Obama/Edwards gears. A 2008 Clark Iowa win won't sew it up like Kerry's did in 2004 -- but it would thrust Clark up and drop either/both Edwards or/and Obama into the second tier. (Doubtful Clinton will ever be expected to win Iowa, and therefore it has little effect on her).

So Edwards and Obama rush to Nevada hoping to stop the bleeding while Clinton hits New Hampshire to win there. Clark divides his time between Nevada and New Hampshire, maybe making a stop to give newly interested voters in South Carolina a look. If Clark wins just one of those three states, he's firmly in the driver's seat.

Not an implausible scenario.

by jrb1968 2006-12-16 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Scenario

Clark has no funding, no organisation, no historical links with Iowa, no previous history of performing well there.

Right now I think it would take an absolute genius of a campaign strategist to get Clark, Richardson or anyone beyond the big 3 (4 if Gore runs) into contention, nevermind win the race.

Clark might well make a great president but he made a total mess of 2004 by getting in too late and he's just repeated his mistake this time around.

by kundalini 2006-12-16 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Scenario

The only candidate with "historic ties" to Iowa at this point in 2002 was Dick Gephardt and in the end it meant nothing.

by howardpark 2006-12-16 09:24AM | 0 recs
Bye Bayh! Miss American Pie?

Come on guys, it's an obvious headline.  But sometimes obvious is good.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-12-16 07:00AM | 0 recs
Nah, N-Sync

I was thinking more along the lines of 'N-Sync: "Bye, Bye, Bayh!"

by Laurin from SC 2006-12-16 07:22AM | 0 recs
Fortunately,

I know less about N-Sync than BushCo does about the Middle East.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-12-16 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

Bayh was the only person talked up as a Democratic candidate I definitely would not have voted for in the primary (unless he had it effectively sewn up by the time it got to my state's primary and all beating him there would accomplish would be to humiliate him and generate lots of negative publicity before his formal nomination at the convention).  This was because he voted for Bush's idiotic 2001 tax cut.  Democrats should've united against Bush on that the same way Republicans united against Bill Clinton's '93 budget reconciliation bill.  Instead, twelve Democratic senators, including Bayh, voted for it.  As a result, Bush got a big early victory, and now the only ways Democrats can clean up the fiscal mess when they take over the presidency are either to let the tax cuts expire in 2010 -- which Republicans will call a "tax increase" and beat them over the head with -- or to pass a separate tax increase, which Republicans will also beat them over the head with.  It's a lot easier to oppose a tax cut than to support a tax increase, but because Bayh and others wouldn't do the first, they or their successors will have to do the second, at a huge political cost.  Because of Senators like Bayh, the next Democratic president will have to spend a huge amount of political capital to fix a Republican deficit, and won't be able to enact a lot of their desired spending increases.  It's the same thing that happened to Bill Clinton.  

by Comic Book Guy 2006-12-16 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

My vote for VP is Sebelius.  She's got the Kansas Dems fired up and winning, not to mention that she's actually a good governor.

by DanM 2006-12-16 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Reads like Evan Bayh is out

Sebelius rocks!  I also thought she had the best ads of about any candidate in the country in 2006.  My favorites were the paper clips one and the one about the troops.  Look them up on YouTube if you haven't seen them.

by Laurin from SC 2006-12-16 11:30AM | 0 recs

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