Lieberman Letting Lamont Back In

Lieberman is getting dinged on torture, on Hastert, and on Iraq.  Lamont went quiet after the primary, but he's picking up the pace and generating more press and highlighting differences with Lieberman.  At this point in 1988, Lieberman trailed Weicker by 14 points, so this one's still got a ways to go.  The debates are in a couple of weeks, and genuine comparisons of the two men's records will begin in earnest for all of Connecticut at that time.

I think it's fairly clear that Lieberman is out only for himself, and is part of the problem in Washington.  This election is about change, and there's only one candidate who represents that. Lieberman still has the advantage, but it's not nearly as great as it is being portrayed.

Tags: Connecticut, CT-Sen, Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont (all tags)

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Re: Lieberman Letting Lamont Back In

It's going to come down to the ground game and GOTV. Can't put it any simpler.

by PsiFighter37 2006-10-08 03:59AM | 0 recs
Thanks for the Uplift

There have been plenty of other races where a challenger trailed an incumbent by about the same margin at this stage and come back to win--we all remember Saxby Chambliss against Max Cleland (ouch!), Whitman against Florio in NJ, etc.

This one is way within reach.

by Davidsfr 2006-10-08 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Uplift

 Chambliss/Cleland was Diebold's coming-out party.

 I'm not throwing in the towel on Lamont, but I'm not really optimistic either. The problem is that the national Democrats have been lukewarm (at best) in their support of Lamont, while continuing to tiptoe around Joe Lieberman as if he were royalty. This sends a mixed message to low-information voters, and it allows Joe to continue to brand himself as a Democrat when he obviously isn't, in policy or in spirit.

  Contrast that with the national Republicans, who have unleashed their PR machine and have convinced THEIR BASE to abandon the REPUBLICAN candidate and vote for an opponent who historically has carried the "D" by his name.

 If Schumer, both Clintons, Emmanuel and others had publicly and enthusiastically gotten behind Lamont as soon as he won the primary, and told Lieberman (first nicely, then more strongly, culminating in a "fuck off and die" if need be) to accept the will of the party's voters, Lamont would be way ahead of Lieberman now. But Joe has been allowed to usurp the Democratic brand, with tacit support from much of the party leadership, and the message voters take away is that "he must  not be that bad after all".

 Make no mistake -- Joe Lieberman is an odious, craven person and politician. A "moral" man who endorses torture, pre-emptive war, and sexual predation of children. He's the lowest of the low. But establishment Democrats seem to like him, which speaks to how much work we have to do to clean up the party in the long term...

by Master Jack 2006-10-08 06:22AM | 0 recs
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Lamont needs to fire his media consultants.  He's throwing money away on cutesy-poo stuff beloved by netroots but that has no effect on the race.

Lamont needs a straightforward spot.  Straight into camera, no cutaways, no props.

"Joe Lieberman and I believe a lot of the same things.  We're both for education, we both believe you need affordable health care, and we'd both like to see more jobs come to Connecticut.

In fact there's really only one major difference between us.  Joe won't stand up to George W. Bush.  I will.

Again and again, Joe Lieberman has said yes to George W. Bush.  He's unwilling or unable to say no.  If you re-elect Joe, he'll go right on saying yes.  

Well, I'm not afraid to say no to George W. Bush.  

I'm Ned Lamont and I approved this message because we need someone with the courage to say no to George W. Bush."

Lamont has exactly one thing that differentiates him.  It's a big thing.  He needs to stay on that message and stop being clever.  "I'll stand up to George W. Bush, and Joe Lieberman won't."

I don't know if anything can save Lamont, but it's all he's got so he should be working it.

by takhallus 2006-10-08 06:12AM | 0 recs
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THere is nothing wrong with the cutesy ads. But he needs to also pour in some money on negative ads on Lieberman using Lieberman;s own words. Lamont's people should borrow ideaas from one of their own - Sirota- and condense all his recent blog exposes of Lieberman into some effectively edited ads. They should read all the posts on mydd, cull the best ideas, and put them in a clear cut ads with timelines of Lieberman's flip flopping.

They should cut ads showing Lieberman in Dukakis'88 like moments or worse, which is essential in removing the long term incumbent aura he is getting a lot of freebie support on.

by Pravin 2006-10-08 02:52PM | 0 recs
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Any time you run a spot that's not part of a coherent strategy there's something wrong.  It's a waste of money, it's a waste of energy and it's a waste of an opportunity to connect.  You only get so many chances to reach voters, and you only have so much time.

by takhallus 2006-10-08 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Letting Lamont Back In

In an effort to support the Senate campaigns of several Democratic candidates, I regularly visit those of Harold Ford, Jr, Ned Lamont, Jon Tester and Jim Webb. Compared to Ford's website, Lamont's is dull and amateurish. Probably there's no hope of jazzing that up in the coming weeks?

Lamont's static homepage puts recent news at the bottom, not up at the top where it can be seen immediately. On Harold's homepage, you see the most recent press accounts, great graphics, the current ad, the five most recent ads, and a supporter's endorsement on opening the page. Whoever is responsible for this arrangement did a great job, in my opinion.

For some reason, we have to access the adjunct "Cup of Joe" for breaking news for the Lamont campaign.

by Books Alive 2006-10-08 07:35AM | 0 recs
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I agree with the sentiment that it's not just enough to show up to a fight (which is what Lamont seems to have done) he needs to start showing up to win (which to me means beating Lieberman into a pulp). Ditto on enough with the cutesy ads.

by bruh21 2006-10-08 08:07AM | 0 recs
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Lieberman is not getting dinged on anything but torture. Not a single major news outlet in CT is picking up on his support for Hastart, and they don't write about Iraq anymore. In the mean time, Lamont is getting shelled by the Hartford Courant with a giant front-page article proclaiming "Lamont Still The Novice". Read it, it has some interesting quotes from "teenage boy". It plays right into the Lieberman talking points that "nobody knows what Sen. Lamont will be like" and "Lamont has no experience".
by Bobby McGee 2006-10-08 08:35AM | 0 recs
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That is false.  Lieberman got dinged on Hastert.

Also, that profile piece isn't bad.

by Matt Stoller 2006-10-08 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Uplift

  I fully understand. If they alienate Lieberman, he might start doing things like providing cover for Republican scandals and misdeeds, breaking with Democrats on important votes, berating Democrats on national TV when they don't kowtow to Republicans, and overall stabbing the party in the back at every opportunity.

 I agree. Better be nice to him. It would suck if he started acting that way.  

 Snark aside, what does it tell you about a politician's "core values" if he'll change his vote on any issue because the right people didn't stroke him enough? And why are the national Democrats too blind to see this?

by Master Jack 2006-10-08 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Uplift

What matters is whether he caucuses with the D's or the R's.  We could get to 51 and lose if Joe jumps the aisle.  That's why Dem leadership is hanging back.  If Lamont looked like he had a chance they might rally to him.  But so far Lamont is running like the amateur he is, and Clinton et al are right to keep the door open for Lieberman.

When you strike at a king, you must kill him.  

by takhallus 2006-10-08 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Letting Lamont Back In

Bobby McGee,

Yeah, Lamont's just in trouble.  And, lets face it, we can try and put lipstick on this pig, hope he'll pick up the pace, but it's going to be pretty tough.  When he went on vacation after the primary victory, let Joe run the papers for two weeks, he basically nuetered his momentum.  Now he's on his knees, fighting a rear guard action.  Unless he really pulls a great upset in the debates, he's toast.  

I got called a concern troll at Atrios's place last night for bringing that stuff up, but it's true.  In the end, we're going to have to start thinking about what we want Senate leaders to do once Joe's in there acting like a righteous asshole.  Indeed, I think it's important to start thinking about that now.  

by KC 2006-10-08 09:39AM | 0 recs
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KC, I don't think you're a concern troll.  It's important for liberals to be able to discuss issues with differing points of view - we're in this fight together.  But, that said, I do disagree with you and the others who think that it's over for Lamont.  He's going to win.  Joe's the one who's in trouble, believe it or not.  The election is a referendum on Joe.  Joe has a horrible record.

I just saw this great post by David Sirota at Huffington post.  Please read it, and think about it for awhile. Sirota makes perfect sense.

How close we really are.

by Astraea 2006-10-08 10:33AM | 0 recs
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it's not over, but 'feel good' speeches aren't helpful. And, also what is not helpful are the people telling Lamont not to spend his own money. He needs to beat Lieberman down in an ad blitz

by bruh21 2006-10-08 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Uplift

The fact is if the Dem leadership strongly supported Lamont, then there would be no need for them to worry about lieberman because his chances of winning would have been much smaller. Clinton musters passion only when it comes to defending his personal legacy. He laid Lamont out to dry when he told Larry King that we couldn;t lose evenf if Lieberman won. Geez, thanks for that endorsement of Lamont. THe party doesnt look at the big picture. They were confused why people would vote for Nader in 2000 because they EXPECTED that we vote for the lesser of two evils. They pulled the same shit in 2004. When are they going to learn?

It is this lack of principle that actually let the republicans have a bigger base turnout in many elections. Thanks to the many repub blunders, dems have a great chance of bettering the repubs in the base turnout this time.

It's one thing to be pragmatic. But to let Lieberman continually side with repubs since the primaries and take cheap shots at quite a few of the dem leaders, and these guys dont hit back, is  it any wonder why people like me have  a hard time identifying as anything but independent? I have a hard time looking at many dem leaders with any kind of respect. I feel like spitting on them.

I want to see some fucking spine and principle. We need more Wes Clarks.

by Pravin 2006-10-08 02:49PM | 0 recs

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