Lieberman Goes After the Internet

There's a bit of confusion on Lieberman and net neutrality.  Savetheinternet has Lieberman waffling on net neutrality because there's no public statement out, whereas Josh Marshall says that Lieberman is in favor of net neutrality.  Watch this video clip, though, and tell me that this guy isn't looking to regulate the internet.

Here's the transcript:

We must also note that kids can get access to the most horrific websites imaginable, displaying the worst possible kind of imagery.  I just heard last week about how graphic videos distributed by the terrorists showing terrorists killing American soldiers are now turning up with increasing regularity on the popular video site 'Youtube'.  That's wrong.  

We need to demand more corporate responsibility.  The people who run MySpace and Youtube and all the other big popular websites which are very successful, very profitable, where we know millions of our children are going each and every day.  Those companies need to do more to clean up their sites and help prevent kids from having access to the kind of material that could harm them and make them want to harm others in our society.

Videos from the Iraq war are finding their way onto Youtube, yet rather than see the violence as a problem, Lieberman wants to shoot the messenger.  This isn't the first time he's blamed the internet for problems in Iraq. In his Op-Ed on Abu Ghraib, he suggests that 'internet culture' is possibly to blame for these war crimes.

What caused these heinous acts? Was it just the latest example of the reality history reveals, that some soldiers crack under the stress of war? Was it the human weakness of guards exploiting the temporary power they hold over those in their control? Was it directed, encouraged, facilitated or tolerated by higher-ups in the chain of command? Was it somehow also the cumulative effect on a generation raised in an entertainment and Internet culture that has grown increasingly violent and pornographic?

If Lieberman wins, it looks to me like he's going to try and go after 'internet culture' in some manner or fashion.  You can read his full speech here (the written and spoken versions are a bit different), which describe his mostly silly pandering ideas.  Still, when his plans for more education on privacy don't work, what's he going to do?  He wanted and got labels on music - how's he going to ask for labeling on web sites without altering the architecture of the internet?  Communications policy is subtle, with small changes causing large changes.  Does it strike you that this guy is a going to protect the delicate balance that keeps the internet free and open?  Just watch the video.

Tags: Connecticut, CT-Sen, Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont, net neutrality, Ted Stevens (all tags)

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14 Comments

Oh, by the way...

It's sort of peripheral to your point (which I agree with), but describing YouTube as profitable betrays a lack of knowledge on the subject.

by jhupp 2006-10-10 03:15PM | 0 recs
Well, the founders of the company...

...just made $1.65 billion, which is quite profitable in my mind. :-P

by Geotpf 2006-10-10 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, by the way...

Exactly what I was going to say.  He is ignorant to suggest that YouTube is profitable... but I am sure  Google will find a way to make profitable now.

by griffey24rox 2006-10-10 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Goes After the Internet

Actually, I think he's going after the soccer mom vote, or is it the married moms vote. And he's going after them the same way Bush does, by mentioning the terrorists and evoking fear.

by lemonyellow 2006-10-10 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Goes After the Internet
Lieberman's constant calls for censorship are disgusting. It's no doubt he hates YouTube; it's so effective at holding him accountable.
by Bobby McGee 2006-10-10 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Goes After the Internet

By the sound of all the cutlery in use I doubt if anyone heard JoeBlow's duringdinner ramblings -- pass the salt please?

by Sitkah 2006-10-10 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Goes After the Internet

Lieberman has always been in favor of censorship in one form or another.  It's part of who he is and, in addition, it is what has given him his link to the right wing of the Republican Party. I believe that Lieberman was part of the PMRC movement and has ties to Lynne Cheney's academic censorship group.

by LionelEHutz 2006-10-10 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman Goes After the Internet

You mean that Lieberman might go after the internets (tubes and all) that fucked him out of the Democratic nomination?  Really?  And after that the sun might rise in the East. . .

Sorry for the snark, but realize that if Lieberman is reelected the blogosphere has an enemy in the Senate.  There can be no question about that.  He will do everything in his power to fuck with sites like MyDD, DailyKos, et all.

by Jim Treglio 2006-10-10 07:08PM | 0 recs
Lieberman hosts his ads on YouTube

He's such a goddamn hypocrite I can't believe it.

If YouTube is irresponsible, don't use their service.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JoeL ieberman2006

by joejoejoe 2006-10-11 01:59AM | 0 recs
Lieberman vs. The Internet

Hey, what do you expect? When the Internet gangs up against him, he's bound to take a dismal view of what goes on here. (Of course, he's never been big on pop culture to begin with.)

In any case -- yeah, if you must know, I'm a "telco shill" -- Matt's conflation of Lieberman's kind of regulation with net neutrality doesn't make much sense. The net neutrality debate is about whether we're going to allow traffic-shaping for telemedicine, VoIP and video. It has nothing to do with blocking individual sites or censoring them, just prioritizing packets for different kinds of service.

Now, it sounds like Lieberman wants to block the stuff he doesn't like. And that's just a separate issue entirely.

by LookMaNoHands 2006-10-11 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman vs. The Internet

The net neutrality debate is about whether we're going to allow traffic-shaping for telemedicine, VoIP and video. It has nothing to do with blocking individual sites or censoring them, just prioritizing packets for different kinds of service.

Careful. That's your opinion. Or at least the opinion you are paid to espouse.

Some of us believe it's about somewhat more than traffic shaping.

by KB 2006-10-11 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman vs. The Internet

The censorship argument has always been without merit. A handful of small issues with service provided by Cox and Comcast have been blown up into bigger things than they are. And they've since been fixed.

I take some offense at my last comment being deleted. The point was: Lieberman is talking about censoring content he doesn't like. No telecom has indicated any interest in doing this. Tying net neutrality to Lieberman's statements just makes no sense. Only if you're trying to use the former out of context.

I think this is cynical on Matt Stoller's part and so I said so. I imagine my comment was taken as a personal attack. Well, I think he is being cynical by bending arguments out of shape to suit his ends. Simple.

by LookMaNoHands 2006-10-11 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Lieberman vs. The Internet

The censorship straw man is convenient for your business but you are well aware that it is hardly the most significant objection to the proposed legislation..

It is no surprise to anyone that Lieberman is ignorant and argues poorly on the net neutrality issue.

Matt may or may not be cynical. Others can troll-rate your comments, too, so it doesn't have to be Matt that caused your propaganda to be hidden.

Personally, I think you would better serve your corporate masters (and your salary continuation) by going to other sites. MyDD is loaded with internet-savvy folks who are well aware of the load of BS being shoveled by the companies who pay you.  I have decided to make it my personal mission not to let a single post by you lobbyists go unchallenged. I doubt I am alone in my strident attitude.

In sum, you're attempting a very difficult balancing act. It really shouldn't be surprising that sometimes your steps are enough off the mark that someone shoots a toe or two.

by KB 2006-10-15 06:41PM | 0 recs
One more point

But seriously Matt, are you getting desperate?  And maybe a bit offensive?  It's pretty clear from this clip (did you watch it?) that he's talking about post-Foley issues like protecting kids from accessing nasty material online.  And you try to twist this into something about net neutrality? You're every bit as cynical as the Beltway insiders you pretend you're not.

by LookMaNoHands 2006-10-11 06:56AM | 0 recs

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