Senate Victory in 2006 is a Net Gain of Three

In the past, I have been, perhaps justifiably, criticized as something of a wimp for not believing that Democrats have a realistic chance of taking control of the Senate in 2006. Admittedly, that is something of a wimpy position to take, but with candidates in place in only five possible pickups (Arizona, Montana, Pennsylvania, Rhodie Island and Tennessee), at least right now majority control really isn't even possible. We need six pickups to take a 51-49 margin in the Senate, and with only five challenges actually on the ground, right now we simply do not have enough possible targets. Hopefully, Claire McCaskill and Paul Hackett will quickly change that situation.

However, even apart form taking control of the Senate, there is another milestone we need to aim for in 2006: taking back control of our caucus. Right now, with forty-four Democratic Senators, one independent Senator, and seven Democratic Senators participating in the so-called "Gang of 14," we actually only have thirty-eight votes to draw from in order to form an opposition to the conservative agenda that is free of Republican "moderate" influence. With forty-one needed in order to form a solid filibuster opposition, in between where we are now and taking majority control there stands another important milestone: forty-eight seats.

While it would be nowhere near as good as majority control, capturing forty-eight seats in the Senate would significantly reduce, if not entirely eliminate, the control the Gang of 14 currently wields over our caucus. Thus, a net gain of three seats would be an important milestone. Further, with Republicans in the difficult position of having to defend twenty-one seats in 2008 to our 12, it would also put us in a very good position to take control over the Senate in 2008. In fact, if we gain three seats in 2006, we could lose overall in 2008 by either an 18-15 or 17-16 margin (or even 19-14 if we take the Presidency), and still take majority control over the Senate.

In lieu of being able to take the majority in 2006, in order to build a solid opposition caucus for the final two years of Bush's term in office we need to make a net gain of three seats outside of Tennessee. Unfortunately, should he win, it is pretty much guaranteed by his past behavior that Harold Ford Jr., the heavy favorite to win the Democratic primary in Tennessee, would gladly join up with the gang the second he was sworn in. Thus, we need three non-Ford seats in order to achieve real victory in 2006 (and no, I am not really that worried about Casey or any of our other candidates joining that group).

If we successfully recruit Hackett and McCaskill, we would have six legitimate targets in order to make this happen: Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Rhode Island. With a successful defense of our endangered Democratic incumbents and open seats looking realistic, this interim victory in 2006 itself looks realistic. This would also keep the possibility of outright majority control at least somewhat alive. Further, it would also make the possibility of a Democratic trifecta in 2008 a tantalizingly doable scenario.

I know we are all impatient for a tidal wave and for immediately victory, but if we think a little more long-term and a little more into the internal workings of the Senate, hopefully we can see beyond 45 and 51 as our only goals. 48 is an important number as it would signal much more effective opposition. After all, the emerging Democratic alternative is going to rise from being effective opposition party, and it might be an important intermediate step we need to take before reclaiming our rightful mantle as the natural ruling party of the United States.

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71 Comments

Of course Casey will join Lieberman
Why wouldn't he? It is the hard core right wing dems that recruited him.
by Parker 2005-08-22 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
He was???

Everyone is up in arms about the DLC and Hilliary is his biggest fan...

by Parker 2005-08-22 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
You know, as someone who consistently rants about the corporate influence on the party, you would think that when we finally recruited a candidate widely loved by Labor, you would know it.

Acutally, that would be expecting too much of you.

by Chris Bowers 2005-08-22 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
Proof is in the pudding...

If Casey gets in he will be another Salazar... that is my opinion. If you have FACTS that say different I'd be interested in hearing them.

by Parker 2005-08-22 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
What facts are you offering? You are just claiming about how he will act in the future, even though he is widely loved by labor (endorsed by the PA AFL-CIO over Rendell in 2002), and he recently bashed Santorum on Iraq.

You claim you know how he will act, and then demand I give facts. Troll.

by Chris Bowers 2005-08-22 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
The fact that he was quoted as saying that he will vote "independently" of the Democratic party platform...

This is in an old diary of my that no longer exist.

by Parker 2005-08-22 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
Some corrections:

Casey is not a member of the DLC

Casey was pushed into the Senate race by Reid and Schmuer (not exactly the right wing of the party)

Casey was given a 100% rating from the AFL-CIO, so he's not going to vote for things like CAFTA (like Salazar did).

by jkfp2004 2005-08-22 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course Casey will join Lieberman
What correctiosn ...I never said he was DLC...

What does it matter about CAFTA it is already passed... the battle that is brewing is Choice and we all know where Casey stands on that issue.

by Parker 2005-08-23 03:17AM | 0 recs
the other goal
...is to move the playing field towards the left. Make the GOP run towards the center, not the right. Make support for Bush's policies (Iraq) in red states a liability, not an asset.

If we shift the playing field while picking up seats, it's like walking up on an up-escalator. If we make it so that red-state candidates are actively running against Bush policies (see Hagel, Chuck), then they're walking down on that same escalator.

Candidates like Sanders, Hackett, and even Casey (see his recent comments on Iraq) will help us with this. Hopefully leadership from Schumer, Reid, and Durbin will help us with this as well.

by tparty 2005-08-22 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: the other goal
I almost gave you a three for this comment until you added this flaming bag of poop:

Hopefully leadership from Schumer, Reid, and Durbin will help us with this as well.

Durbin, yes. Fuhgedabout Schumer and Reid. They have no interest in helping move the Democratic party to the left.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-08-22 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: the other goal
Well, I did qualify it with "hopefully."

I do think any Senate leadership worth its salt would want to move the issue terrain in its party's direction. The only question is whether they view this as a realistic opportunity and attempt to take advantage of it.

by tparty 2005-08-23 05:58AM | 0 recs
Chris if you have something to say just say it
why troll rate?

Or give proof as to why you believe he will not join Lieberman.

by Parker 2005-08-22 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Chris if you have something to say just say it
Don't push me. Beleive me, troll rating you for hijacking threads is the least of your worries about your future on theis blog.
by Chris Bowers 2005-08-22 07:39AM | 0 recs
Parker, Parker, Parker
You really need to chill out on your DLC/NDN obsession. Chris is right about not hijacking every diary and turning it into your own little flame war. A little discretion is in order for two reasons:

(1.) It is counter-productive and

(2.) This is not your blog.

Chris and Jerome are the ones who establish the house rules. I have said many times that I am just a guest here like everybody else. That goes for everybody except Chris, Jerome and Scott, or other front page diarists that they invite to join them.

Very Old Rule: Don't pick a fight with the bouncer or the owner at the local pool hall unless you want to get your butt kicked and don't try to make up your own rules.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-08-22 11:19AM | 0 recs
No offense, Gary, but...
"You really need to chill out on your DLC/NDN obsession."

Coming from you, that's kind of amusing.

by craverguy 2005-08-22 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Parker, Parker, Parker
Gary,

I haven't seen (yet) notice that poster must adhere to the political stances of the Front Pagers...

by Parker 2005-08-23 03:34AM | 0 recs
Quality, not just Quantity, of Democrats
Keep in mind, we don't just need 3 Dems. We need 3 good Dems.
by Left in the West 2005-08-22 07:38AM | 0 recs
"good dems"
Not all members of the "gang of 14" are ones I'd generally consider to be disloyal -- Byrd and Inouye, in particular -- and there are Democrats outside that group with whom many in the netroots have problems (Biden).
by Adam B 2005-08-22 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: "good dems"
Inoyue and Biden are not in the Gang. The gang's members are as follows:

"Benjamin Nelson, John McCain, Mike Dewine, John Warner, Joseph Lieberman, Robert Byrd, Susan Collins, Mary Landrieu, Mark Pryor, Olympia Snowe, Linsday Graham, Ken Salazar, Lincoln Chafee, Kent Conrad."

by Chris Bowers 2005-08-22 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: "good dems"
I know that Biden wasn't part of the deal -- that's why I said that there were Senators the netroots disfavored outside of that group -- but Inouye was a signatory to the deal, not Conrad.  Link.
by Adam B 2005-08-22 09:14AM | 0 recs
Correct
Inouye was a member of the "Gang of 14", but he's proved his loyalty more than enough.  Those three judges were getting confirmed no matter what we did, but through the "compromise" we permanently stopped four other judges.  Plus, we still have the filibuster for Roberts.  If the Republicans had pulled the nuclear option then, no one would have noticed.  If they try to pull it next month, the whole nation will be watching.  Inouye, Nelson, Pryor, Salazar, Landrieu, and Byrd did the right thing.  As for Lieberman, he's so desperate to undercut Democratic leadership that I doubt his being right this one time was out of anything more than knee-jerk "bipartisanship".
by Skaje 2005-08-22 12:29PM | 0 recs
We pick up
One non-G14 seat for free: Sen. Jeffords is leaving, and Rep. Sanders is getting his seat (barring some unforseen total meltdown).  And I doubt that a Sen. Sanders would join the Gang of Forteen, or really any moderate group.  He's for bucking the party but in the opposite direction.
by LaX WI 2005-08-22 08:29AM | 0 recs
Oops
My bad; Sen. Jeffords isn't in the gang of 14.  Well, so much for that.
by LaX WI 2005-08-22 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Oops
Even if he isn't in the Gang, replacing Jeffords with Sanders is still a good thing. I can think of maybe a dozen Republican-leaning votes that Jeffords has made since his defection that Sanders wouldn't have.
by craverguy 2005-08-22 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Oops
Not to mention that Sanders seems to have the ability to work magic on his opponents in the House to get great work done.  I hope that he can work that mojo on his Senate counterparts as well.
by Demo Dan in Dayton 2005-08-22 09:11AM | 0 recs
Let's Not Miss Chris's Larger Point
Three additional Democratic seats in the Senate would be a huge victory, and it is achievable.  I haven't given up on the idea that we could win more, but it's extremely unlikely we'll net 6.

And his other point is worth making, too--we need Democrats who vote as Democrats.  The big question in the Roberts nomination for the Democrats is not whether he's going to win--it's whether the Democrats take this opportunity to show America what an opposition party looks like, or if they move onto other issues that are more salient for the average voter.  

Frankly, I'm not sure in which direction we should go.  I'm troubled by the Democracy Corps study that showed dissatisfaction with the GOP, but no additional support for us.  If the Roberts nomination gives the Democrats a chance to establish a "brand" ("this is what we stand for"), then maybe the losing fight is worth it.

I think I'd be satisfied with 45 votes against him, and no filibuster.  Make the point, move on.

by rayspace 2005-08-22 09:25AM | 0 recs
Casey
Casey's views on abortion don't mean that he is a second Lieberman. Remember, Lieberman is pro-choice, liberal on a lot of issues, and votes the party line most of the time. The problem with him is that he bashes other Democrats. As for Salazar, when we have the majority, he'll vote the party line. As for Ben Nelson, it's much better to have him then the Republican alternative, who'd probably be Tom Coburn (13th Century Edition).
by dole4pineapple 2005-08-22 10:04AM | 0 recs
Pederson
I know he is a developer and Arizona is conservative.  How conservative is he?  Any danger of a Salazar there?  I am curious.
by Mimikatz 2005-08-22 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Pederson
Actually, Vitter will be measured against Landrieu, as she is both more popular and longer-serving.
by craverguy 2005-08-22 08:34PM | 0 recs
whoa
Criticize Jindal for his views, but "race traitor"?  Please.

I didn't even realize there was a "true" Indian-American political line from which he had been swaying in the first place.

by Adam B 2005-08-23 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: whoa
Heh.  "Your background in critical race theory" must be pretty poor if you think the notion of a "race traitor" began with Colin Powell.  I mean, geez, ever hear of an "Uncle Tom"?

Moreover, Reagan never presented his conservatism as multicultural, unless you count Sam Pierce.  Which no one did.

by Adam B 2005-08-23 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: whoa
Huh?  Between the troll-rating of others' posts and the vacuousness of your own, I'm flummoxed.
by Adam B 2005-08-24 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Whoa
Agreed. Do you even realize, metonym, that Bobby Jindal is Indian-American? (Not that that makes your David Dukes-ian aspersion any more palatable.) Being from the Bay Area I know the Indian-American community actually trends somewhat more conservative even here, especially on economic issues. In any case, that kind of rhetoric is so -- well, Rethuglican.
by johnlarca 2005-08-23 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Whoa
Assuming, arguendo, your expertise in race traitor discourse, you could indeed blow us all out of the water. The issue here is one of context -- something even an elementary student of rhetoric, linguistics, or communications theory should understand. The problem is you are not on a discussion board related to the "Academy."  This is a political site. So inserting terms like "race traitor" that are highly charged in political, let alone general, discourse is going to have a predictable effect.

In fact, everything you say about Jindal is completely valid from a political perspective without muddying it up by using terms that may be losing their emotional impact in academic circles but certainly are not in general discourse. Why in the world would you assume wide knowledge of an area that is "burgeoning"? I don't think our lack of exposure makes us benighted fools or brick walls.

(By the way, do they not teach you in whatever "Academy" you are associated with that resorting to ad hominem attacks in debate is the refuge of the desperate? They certainly don't teach you to proof your work apparently -- oh, that was reductive. Sorry. And that apology was insincere. Oops.)

by johnlarca 2005-08-24 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Whoa
"Do not even try to lecture me on race, for my background in critical race theory will blow you out the water.  Thank you for your misinformed input."

"I am clearly interacting with a brick wall or a vacuous void.  But I thank you nonetheless for your uninformed input."

Whereas:

"David Duke-sian aspersion" and "Rethuglican" were descriptions of your rhetoric, not you. However, my cheap shot about your proofreading was snarky. (But really, if you are going to bring in academic credentials you sort of open yourself up . . .)  

by johnlarca 2005-08-24 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Whoa
No, your politics has nothing to do with your proofreading. It was just a little needling, throwaway comment over a couple of apparent little errors. (Do you have any sense of humor at all?) Then I realized that your Anglicized spelling of "bourgeoning" was probably not a mistake (unless you aren't from a Commonwealth country and were just trying to be academically pretentious) and maybe "Raegan" was some kind of play on words that unsophisticated lil' ole me just didn't understand.
by johnlarca 2005-08-25 08:46AM | 0 recs
This strikes me as an over-interpretation
of the Gang of 14.  Bob Byrd was pretty well working for Harry Reid in this.  The people who bucked their caucus were the Republicans; if it had been more helpful to the Dems, we would have had our 40 votes for filibuster.  The question in that particular case, for instance, was never whether we could get 40 votes against Janice Rogers Brown (since we had, for years); it was whether the bad guys could get 51 votes to override.  The Gang's central purpose was to keep them from getting to 51.

On the other hand: Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, Ken Salazar, and Mary Landrieu are authentically unreliable votes.  They're almost always going to be there when we really need them, but every now and then they won't be.  So we definitely want to have 40 + those four (which we do).  Furthermore, Chris is right, it'd be nice to have 40 + any larger number, because that gives more Dems slack to vote against us without actually undermining the caucus.  As we've seen, Tim Johnson, Tom Carper, Joe Biden, Joe Lieberman, and several others tend to vote against us on certain issues.    Hell, the Washington State senators voted against us on CAFTA.  The more senators we have, the more we can allow to defect for local reasons without suffering any consequences.  So by all means, more senators.

But we need more senators to escape the treachery of the seven democrats in the Gang of 14?  No.  A better argument is that if we had 48 seats, that whole fight would have been moot because Frist would never in a million years have made it to 51.  A republican majority of 52 puts power in the hands of Olympia Snowe and John McCain, which is an improvement over the status quo.

by texas dem 2005-08-22 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: This strikes me as an over-interpretation
Well I could agree until you included Mr. Mccain.  Letting that person accrue any more credit for being "Moderate" is absolutely wrongheaded on our part.  A 48 seat minority plus Sanders for 49 leaves the balance of power to the ladies from Maine.  I would like to see how often we could peel them off to vote with our side.  I think Harry Reid could really go places with that kind of lineup.
by Demo Dan in Dayton 2005-08-22 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: This strikes me as an over-interpretation
Now, maybe you're thinking over MY head; maybe you know everything I said, and you're crafting this as a mere talking point to convince the Liberal Street Fighter types that we need more Senate Democrats (whom they tend to despise) so that we can avoid the EVIL TREACHERY of the seven dems in the Gang of 14.

It's a hell of a way to try to convince someone -- "we need more Democrats so we can marginalize the TRAITOR DEMOCRATS," that is, the Democrats we already have -- but I suppose it might work.  

On the other hand, though it will be easier to use the filibuster with 48 Ds, we'll probably still be cautious using it, as we try to protect our new and old redstate Ds and angle for even more redstate seats.  So I don't know that they'll get the Politics of Contrast/Confrontation that they want.  But we'll certainly lose fewer legislative fights, which I think does matter to them.

by texas dem 2005-08-22 04:29PM | 0 recs
My Perdiction is 4 seats or more.
we pick up OH,PA,RI and one or more of the following: MT,TN,MO,NV,AZ,VA and if Snowe somehow at the last minute retires heh like that would happen: ME. and as for Moderates i Don't mind Red state Democrats  or even Purple state Dems. voting agenst the party from time to time but Damnit Liberman the Liberal people of CT elected you to be Liberal.
by Liberal 2005-08-22 12:36PM | 0 recs
6 is realistic
  1. Santorum (Pennsylvania): I think we all agree this guy is toast.

  2. Chafee (Rhode Island): If he can even beat Laffey in a primary, Laffey may even run as an indpendant, sucking votes from him.  His poll numbers suck.  I don't understand why everyone is so ready to throw in the towel on this one.  Langevin may have won the seat with 60+%, but I think we'll be getting a pro-choice Dem with around 55% next November.

  3. Talent (Missouri): With Claire McCaskill all but declaring her candidacy, this race is top-tier.

  4. DeWine (Ohio): With Ryan leaning against running, the DSCC is trying to get Hackett in.  If Hackett runs, it's ours.  If he doesn't, the Ohio Dem bech is surprisingly deep at the moment.  Ohio Republicans are going to suffer next year, nearly any competent Dem could make this top-tier.

  5. Burns (Montana): If Tester runs half the campaign Schweitzer did, this seat is his.  Remember, Schweitzer nearly took our Burns in 2002, a very good year for Republicans.  If trends continue, Montana Republicans are in trouble.

  6. Kyl (Arizona): Luckily for us, Pederson can pretty much run his own campaign, being the former head of the state Dem party and rich as well.  Kyl is weaker than he thinks.

  7. Open Seat (Tennessee): This seat will be difficult to take.  Black Democrats don't do well statewide in the South.  It's unfortunate, but the best we can hope for is Ford give whoever wins the GOP primary a good run.

A note on Ensign (Nevada): Unless someone steps up quickly, he looks like he will get a pass.  We can't count on Reid to help at all (Senators from the same state are generally cordial to each other).  If Ensign is to be targeted at all, it will likely be from outside the establishment.
by Skaje 2005-08-22 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: 6 is realistic
two things one Schweitzer race was in 2000. second Senator pryor (D-AR) Senator Landreu (D-LA) and Senator Nelson (D-FL) all won statewide in the south people can do it if they put the effort in and are good on the trail. (also the south has a bunch of Dem. Govenors.)
by Liberal 2005-08-22 01:43PM | 0 recs
You're correct
What I should have said was: Burns benefitted by having Bush at the top of the ticket in 2000.  This time, Tester looks likely to run a similar campaign.  It will be an uphill race no doubt, but I see Tester taking the same votes that Schweitzer did last November (when he won the governor race).

As for statewide-elected Southern Democrats, they are all white.  Black Democrats do well in their districts, but to win statewide would mean winning a lot of white independants, something that seems difficult at the moment.  I wish it was not so, but I haven't seen a single black Democrat win statewide in the South, despite the region having the highest percentage of African-Americans.

by Skaje 2005-08-22 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: You're correct
i assume your refering to Ford i don't know to be honest how well he will do African-Americans despite the majority of them living in the South are a Minority in the south MS the largest state in the South is super Republican. also on Scweitzer i can't see how his run in 2000 is any diffrent than 2004 Both of his runs where during a presidential election maybe Burnes was simply a harder person to beat. eh but at least i live FL where the African American vote can acctully make a diffrence.
by Liberal 2005-08-22 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: You're correct
The point may be that this time Burns will NOT have republican presidential coattails to help pull him over the top as he did in 2000.  

I really think the key to this race is the rural vote which I think can be turned especially by tester.  Except for Billings, population centers tend to go dem.

by mtguyinokc 2005-08-22 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: You're correct
if the DSCC doens't abandon Tester and the President continues to fall in approval we may have a new Dem. Senator from MT despite it's redness.
by Liberal 2005-08-24 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: 6 is realistic
Rhode Island - who is running against Chafee?  This race is the most troubling for me.  If we cannot pick up this seat, we won't gain much of anything in 2006.  

A lot of our success simply comes down to candidates.  We can have everything falling into place come November 2006, but if we don't have the right candidates to take advantage of these issues, then we won't gain a darn thing.  This is the most disconcerting thing for me right now.  

by Eric11 2005-08-22 05:49PM | 0 recs
Pederson's gonna be the toughie
Because Kyl has a lot of bets he can call in from Bush, and John McCain will be required to pimp Kyl in order to assure the party machine he's a party man.

Let's figure:

  1. Off the top, Santorum is as good as dead.  Casey would have to screw up on a Michael Dukakis scale.  That's not in the cards, especially with Rendell and the Casey family name alongside him.  Specter's presence next to Santorum will be perplexing and rather unhelpful.

  2. DeWine is going to have to fight off his entire state party.  Given that even Voinovich is polling low now (which is hard to imagine for a manw ho is such an institution) it's going to be an ugly business being GOP in OH in 2006.

  3. Chaffee is a simple argument: why vote for a liberal Republican when you could just vote Dem.  Channel the angst over Kerry losing, and remind Dems that you either toe the line or shut up.

  4. Burns looks to be in bad shape, especially now that he's being tied down to Jack Abramoff.  Tester will have Schweitzer's support, and that's a genuine gift.

  5. Talent?  I dunno.  I've given up figuring out anything that exists between the Rio Grande and the Mississippi.

  6. TN, obviously swings on who the GOP tosses out there.  But, Ford is going to be the Alamo for the DLCers.  If they can't get their posterboys to win in places where the Blue-Not-Yellow Dog Dem strategy should work, they're dog food.  That means that Ford will see a lot of outside support from folks intent on preserving an entire way of politics.
by jcjcjc 2005-08-22 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Pederson's gonna be the toughie
Shit.  Forgot about McCain in Arizona.

He wants the presidential nomination in 2007/8.  He'll use Jon Kyl to prove that he is a serious Republican who will help other Republicans win.  He'll use Kyl to re-establish his partisan credentials.  And for us, that will be a complete bitch, cause he's wildly popular with the swing/independent voters of AZ who will decide that Senate race.

Damn!  That's a big hill to climb.  The harder we work for Pederson, the harder McCain will work for Kyl.  He can't afford to let Kyl lose.  And as long as Kyl doesn't commit a huge blunder and has McCain working for him, he won't lose.

Best case scenario: the national Rs piss off McCain so much he realizes he can't win the nomination, and stays home.  So of course, the national Rs will wait until 2007 to do that.

Damn.

by texas dem 2005-08-22 10:26PM | 0 recs
McCain can afford it
He just has to make sure it looks like Kyl lost despite how wonderful McCain is supposed to be.
by jcjcjc 2005-08-23 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Pederson's gonna be the toughie
maybe we will see AZ is low on my list of pickups ranks about 7th or 8th but i'm hopeful.
by Liberal 2005-08-24 06:11PM | 0 recs
you forgot one important one!
Don't forget the primary against Leiberman.  It may be a stretch, but there's some anti-Leiberman sentiment on the ground in DFA.  If we were able to pull off a primary defeat, we would convert 1 of the gang to our side, thus only needing 2 seats for a filibuster.
by hotshotxi 2005-08-22 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: you forgot one important one!
Make sure that... the Dems. are strong in that state before challengeing him if you feel you must the last thing we need is some Dem. who beats him loses in the General. Also i know he is not that great but i don't think he is bad enough to get a Primary challenge hell he might retire.
by Liberal 2005-08-24 06:03PM | 0 recs
Less than 6 might actually be good
Cutting their advantage down without taking control might actually be a good thing for us.  It gives us more ability to shoot down their most egregious offenses while still placing responsibility for everything in their hands.  The Republican downward spiral would continue until 2008 instead of being diluted by us having some control, and thus some responsibility for the state of things.

Their narrower majority but continued responsibility for the state of the country puts us in a very good position to sweep in in 2008 when the calendar is incredibly favorable to us.  That 12 to 21 number has me drooling.  We'll take the Senate easily and likely the presidency as well.

Does that mean I'm rooting against us taking control in 2006?  Absolutely not.  But I am saying it would still work out pretty well if we didn't.

As for the House, I'm not holding my breath for a trifecta in 2008.  It could happen, but likely won't due to gerrymandering.  You know, the whole "backlash insurance" thing.  That will probably have to wait until after 2010's redistricting, and even then with us probably having the Presidency and the Senate the backlash would have petered out.  There would have been a two year period for people to judge us on what we did in that time instead of still fuming at the Republicans.  We'd have to put up or shut up to get the House, and really that's the way it should be.

by Gg 2005-08-22 04:12PM | 0 recs
Giving Harry Reid a Free Pass?
I got a problem with Chris's choice of pick ups. It's too unrealistic to hope that Democrats can AFFORD to spend the resources necessary in both Pennsylvania and Ohio simultaneously to win 'em both. Santorum and DeWine are the incumbents, and they can defend with less money and campaigning than we can.

But if you believe that in such a fiction...then Harry Reid's decision to softball John Ensign looks excuseable since "we're going to win anyway". Chris has complained about Reid's indifference before...so I don't think he's drinking another man's Kool-Aid. But I do worry others in the established party jumping on this idea as a way to vindicate Fearless Senate Leader Harry.

Secondly, Arizona is a minefield. Kyl can use the same tactics that won in California races ten years ago: accuse the Democrat/liberal of being soft on immigration and use Napolitano's own political calculus against Pederson. So either Pederson runs to the right and pushes for a harsher stance on immigration or he runs to the left and prays that the Latino vote in AZ mobilizes (as it's much more fickle than the white base). Add that Phoenix is now the fifth-largest city. Ergo, the price structure used the last time we tried to make the state competitive is now outmoded. Pederson might need every dollar of his fortune to win this seat.

by risenmessiah 2005-08-22 04:38PM | 0 recs
Santorum is dog food
And contrary to what folks might say, an attack from the left would only make Casey look better.

Santorum's ratings are so low it ceased being funny.  Worse, he has a lot of baggage.

Casey has an impeccable family reputation, a strong series of terms in good offices (auditor and AG), and will have the advantage of running alongside Ed Rendell, who has broken the PA GOPers' will so badly that one more than one occassiona have I heard the GOP types asking for him to turn Republican.

Rendell's property tax relief plan is just such a back breaker for the GOP.

Whether you like Rendell or not, you have to admit the man delivers.

by jcjcjc 2005-08-22 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Santorum is dog food
But you are missing the point. I'm not saying he will win. I am saying the cost of running a campaign in Ohio and Pennsylvania will be so expensive, personnel and resources, and time that it would preclude investing enough in other states to be effective. Don't count on six victories, but you may be right that Santorum has no chance in '06.
by risenmessiah 2005-08-22 10:59PM | 0 recs
Money doesn't do it alone
It's quite possible.  At some point you have to give voters enough credit to not think money overrides everything.

My point is that the Dems need to approach Santorum from a money-saving standpoint.  With Rendell atop the ticket, Casey should get a bump anyhow.

It seems a little irrational to overspend on a race that is in the bag from day one.

Casey will win or lose on the merits of running a moderate against a rightie.

Money isn't going to change that much.  There isn't a Swift Boat campaign waiting for Casey, because to attack the Casey family honor is to risk your own ass.

by jcjcjc 2005-08-23 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Money doesn't do it alone
I see your point though I must tell you that there's a serious flaw in that.

The type of social organizations that most people relied on to formulate their political opinions in the 20th century are gone. And it's unfortunately true that most people in all but the smallest states know 90% of what they see on the election on TV. That does not mean ads per se, just it has to be on TV. When you have corporate controlled media that tries to cut costs by lowering region specific programming, you really are creating an uphill fight.

Only a handful of people who vote are like us and use the Internet "to get the whole story". Even so, that's dependent on blogs and independent newspapers to a large extent. Most Americans are so overworked, so preoccupied with getting by that all they see is the snapshot of the election.

And if you have big money donors to buy air-time...you are the only candidate anyone ever knows.

by risenmessiah 2005-08-23 01:59PM | 0 recs
2006 could be an ugly year of spin
Just a warning: keep vigilant on GOPers intentionally setting the bar low for 2006.

The Fox Newsicans will start fielding lowered expectations, saying that the ruling party often suffers during a president's second mid-term.

Dems need to pound these ideas right out of the mainstream.

Don't let the GOP lower the bar.  2006 has to be projected as the public rebelling against an endless war.

Otherwise, the GOPers will go into 2008 and try to argue national defense all over again.

That's unacceptable.  The GOPers need to go into 2008 with the conventional wisdom being anti-war.  That way, the GOP can tear itself to shreds.

by jcjcjc 2005-08-22 07:20PM | 0 recs
She doesn't need financing.
Hell, she doesn't even need to campaign. Her approval rating is what, seventy-five percent?
by craverguy 2005-08-22 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Olympia Snowe
If Snowe retires, recruiting is not a problem:  Tom Allen, the Congressman (ME-1) will step in nicely.
It's the 77 percent approval rating that makes running against Snowe ridiculous.

However, I think that resources will be available for both Ohio and Pennsylvania.  RM, you heard it here first.

by InigoMontoya 2005-08-22 11:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Olympia Snowe
She is running. And will win easily, even if she will spend nothing...
by smmsmm 2005-08-22 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: net pickup of 4
I think we will win 4 seats and they are: PA, MO, TN, and RI.  Those are the most vulnerable out of the others.
by mleflo2 2005-08-23 04:45AM | 0 recs
Re: net pickup of 4
5 if we can get a good candidate in Ohio.
by CO Democrat 2005-08-23 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Olympia Snowe
She had $1,237,445 on hand as of 6/30/05.  That's "terrible"?
by Adam B 2005-08-23 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Olympia Snowe
I think we need to talk to BOTH the Senators from Maine about switching parties.  Then with a 3 seat pickup and Sanders we have Majority Leader Reid.  More wishful thinking on my part.
by Demo Dan in Dayton 2005-08-23 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Olympia Snowe
you know i hate how Dems. love Snowe she isn't that great and cuts medicad benfits left and right is there anyone else that Doesn't like Snowe!!! eh i just wish Maine would see this.
by Liberal 2005-08-24 06:06PM | 0 recs
LOSS of 3 will be doing well.
Get real, folks!  We're defending 18 seats and the Republicans are defending just 15.  That's despite the Republicans having 55 seats overall.  So this cohort is way out of alignment with the Senate as a whole.  That alone should tip us off that there are likely to be many more vulnmerable Dems than Reps this time around.

Sober analysis confirms that fear.  Just three incumbent Republicans are in blue states; five of the Democratic seats are red.  Of the Republicans in red states, just four are defending purple turf (Bush winning by under 10%); eight blue state dems , on the other hand, are really on purple ground.

A look at actual candidates makes thing look even dicier.  Byrd really isn't peppy enough for a tough race, and I have real doubts about Akaka as well.  Cantwell has never been a great campaigner.  But the Republicans in tough races, like Talent, Snatorum, and DeWine, are all ferocious vote-hunters.

On top of it all, the Republicans will be defending just one open seat, while we will be defending four.  Since open seats are where most of the changes happen in the end, we have a mountain to climb from that.

Bottom line: we're going to have to work like dogs to keep the Republicans from picking up five.

by aretino 2005-08-24 09:07AM | 0 recs
Yes but...
The Dems. are in a good spot 1. the President's apporval is in the trash can. 2. I can't find a area for Republican pickup MN is a Blue state and a Dem. Nomniee statewide will prob. be able to crush Kennedy Nelson (NE) is very popular in his state more than Chuck Hagel ND the Govenor hasn't decided so can't say we will lose that one. FL Harris is way down. WA,MI no strong challengers and likely won't be any. WV Bryd been there for years well liked by both partys. that doesn't leave much heh... while in PA,OH,RI we lead or come very close..
by Liberal 2005-08-24 06:10PM | 0 recs
Look, we are in a tough spot
Bush is unpopular, but Congress polls even worse -- especially the Dems.  The generic approval rating for Congressional Republicans is at 32%, and for Dems the rating it's 31%.  The public feels like things are going poorly, but they blame Democrats more than Republicans.  That's not really fair or logical, but it's the way things are.  We're fooling ourselves if we think that Bush's tanking poll numbers are going to save us.

I think PA is our best chance for a gain, and I'm not optimistic about that.  

We have no chance against Chafee in Rhode Island.  

The GOP controls the election machinery in Ohio, and they're not going to accept a loss.  Besides, Hackett is an empty vessel to the minds of the voters statewide.  Before the race even gets started, the GOP will have Ohioans convinced that Hackett is responsible for international terrorism, tooth decay, and the kidnapping of Natalee Holloway.

On the other hand, I see lots of states where the Republicans will be favored to gain seats.  

Minnesota Dems will nominate Klobuchar over Wetterling, which will make Republican Kennedy a significant favorite.  

New Jersey will be extremely tough -- appointees are the most vulnerable incumbents.  

Harris won't be the Republican challenger in Florida, which means they'll have a big advantage.  

Byrd and Akaka could both be upset.

Cantwell has been in trouble since the day she was elected. She needed a multi-million dollar fortune, a right-wing third party spoiler, and a recount to squeak by an uninspiring Republican in 2000.  She's never fully got past the tiny margin of victory, and Gregoire's recent victory has just provided another reminder of it.  She's not going to have the fortune or the spoiler to help her this time, either.

Maryland, Michigan, and New Mexico are also far from safe; and serious challengers could emerge in North Dakota and Nebraska, too.  

Looking at all that, I think we need to be very cautious.  We have to realize that we are on the defensive.  If we start thinking that we can gains five or six seats, we will spread ourselves too thin, and we are likely to lose five or six instead.

by aretino 2005-08-24 07:20PM | 0 recs

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