Republicans & Iraq
by Jerome Armstrong, Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 09:50:18 AM EDT
Tags: General 2008 (all tags)
by Jerome Armstrong, Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 09:50:18 AM EDT
Tags: General 2008 (all tags)
"Clinton has the left of her party so sewn up that she can afford to move to the centre without alienating her base."
Codswallop!
She is getting further and further disconnected from the "left of the party." The progressive activists who are willing to spend money and effort on the Party are hacked off at her and are not going to come through for her during the primary season. I personally don't see how she can win the primaries.
Of course, there is no "left" in any major American party, but we'll let that pass.
A helpful hint for the press: If the party's left prefer a man who is pro-war, anti-choice, and anti-gun control to Hillary, than they are NOT in her pocket.
Reid over HRC 65-35?
Hillary is way ahead of her competition in the national polls. And Reid's not running, period.
BTW, the female activist base-- which is not represented on this blog-- would never vote for anti-choice Reid.
National polls are bullshit because they are just name recognition.
Show me the results of a national poll of people that follow politics in a big way. And instead of listing HRC in a big field put her up against one candidate.
I expect HRC would have trouble beating Brian Schweitzer if you limited the poll respondents.
Poll would only include people that
Here's the relevant excerpt (the split I am referring to here is primarily over the war in Iraq as in Jerome's post):
- Many Republicans will continue to distance themselves from Bush. He won't receive many invites to congressional districts with competitive races, and candidates will avoid presidential photo-ops and otherwise avoid appearing buddy-buddy with Bush. At least a few candidates will make significant noise running openly against Bush's policies in Republican primaries.
- Rather than allow this growing wing of the Republican party to have a voice in the national debate, the Conservative core of the Republican party will be unforgiving of this trend and stubbornly hold their ground. There will be no internal compromises and no policy shifts. The two sides will grow farther apart until signs of a clear split begin to emerge. The current leadership will retain control over the party, but there will be some important fallout. Moderate Republicans, already being pushed out, will be forced further into the fringes of the Republican party and beyond. Many will find themselves voting for moderate alternatives in Republican primaries and Democratic candidates in general elections.
Of course the Dems could nominate an anti-war candidate, but it seems like the establishment really doesn't want to do this.
If we can grab the Republican defectors, it might mark a long-term shift in voting patterns.
Sounds like a terrific plan to me.
Karl Rove circulated a map to the oil companies in 2000. The texans drew up a map dividing the persian Gulf. This was documented by a book, later classified in a rush as CBS broke the story and flashed the map, then quickly declassified even though it had already been classified. Again, this action was taken by the senior Advisor Karl Rove - to try to cover his tracks.
So if you think the party can only change after an electoral loss, what is implicit is important: you are saying If Karl Rove loses. He drives these campaigns, he even got behind smearing Hackett. Swift boating is now a verb.
What I would like to see, if you could, is a connect the dots here so that instead of guessing about the election results, instead questioning the basis of the Republican platform that brought so many african Americans into the party at the turn of the century - standing for freedom, effecient government, integration - not a bloated 130 billion dollar a year boondoggle. Rove seems to drive big government into the party, while taking every measure to quash debate on the matter. Republicans working their way back to a base is crucial because the activist base of the party is aligned squarely on issues of rights that most americans, republican or democrat, adopt in some measure - ex. emminent domain.
Bringing out the parts of that platform that you agree with is a patriotic act and shuts down rove. Treating it all like a game show where the biggest donors win and america sits by like meek participants while the special interests battle it out - seems to me this is as much playing Roves game as you can get.
Question the rules. The rules before used to say niggers go to the back of the bus. We won then,
we'll win again.
Good post otherwise.
Pres Bush would listen more to Republicans so I hope more Republicans have the courage to demand of George Bush to do the right thing.
I think the first step to solving Iraq is get rid of present advisors and Rumsfeld and get new perspective and faces. The only way he would do that is for his Republican constituency to demand it.
I am so disappointed with Gen Powell, Sen McCain, etc.
now that traitors have encircled our president the GOP is pierced to its very heart. the gop needs a slick presence in order to do its work, the stain of treachery is not erased easily. people who are brushing off acts of treason against our country - those people are like the jews who refuse to destroy the malachites' possessions, covet them and watch them rise like hitler's hand me downs - they are the pawns of an evil game and they know it . victory only comes to those who can focus and deliver. alot is at stake. they arein control. may god bless america
Even that prediction could change in the next two years. Hagel may be better at reading the tea leaves than Murphy. Hagel has been back to his district. Has Murphy been hanging around D.C. and Crawford or getting out into the trenches?
A "bring the troops home" Democrat will win the Democratic primary and the Presidency. Anybody who thinks a bigger warmonger than Hagel can win a Democratic primary is nuts.
Hagel could run in the Democratic presidential primary and beat any Democrat who doesn't have a short term exit plan for Iraq.
What if the millions of people pissed off that we invaded, killed their families, destroyed their cities and tortured people decide to do something about it? Is that really what we want to have created and then leave? A war doesn't stop because one side says "time out." A war stops when there is a settlement between the warring parties. What if we are attacked by the elements we have created in Iraq and then leave behind? Will any Democrats ever get (or deserve) another vote?
We HAVE TO bring security to the country, even if it means paying the UN to bring in a million peacekeepers. (Obviously I am not advocating continuing the situation we have in place now. Bush should betried for the crime of aggressive war.)
Howard Dean demands an exit strategy:
The problem is now that there's ample evidence to say that they didn't understand what they were getting into and they still don't know what we're doing there. They changed their goals. The troops are still not properly equipped. The constitution looks like it may take away freedom from the Iraq people, at least half of them, instead of added to them. What we need is a plan from the president of the United States." [DNC Chairman Howard Dean, Face the Nation, CBS, 8/14/05]
CONTACT: Josh Earnest, 202-746-5795
Dean Echoes Hagel, Says Troops Deserve Clear Plan for Success in Iraq
WASHINGTON - Today, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, echoing the concerns of Democrats and Republicans across the country, called on President Bush to lay out - and stick to - a clear military plan for success in Iraq that includes heeding the advice of military commanders. During his appearance on ABC's "This Week", Republican Senator Chuck Hagel warned President Bush against ignoring the advice of his military officials when putting together a military plan for Iraq, citing the Bush administration's dismissal of the prediction by former Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki, that several hundred thousand American troops would be needed to stabilize Iraq after the American invasion.
Yesterday, Army General Peter Schoomaker signaled that the Army had already begun logistical planning to keep 100,000 American troops in Iraq.
"This President has failed our nation and our troops by ignoring the advice of high-ranking military officials and failing to commit to a clear plan for success in Iraq," said DNC Chairman Howard Dean. "The President can't make up for the mistakes he made in taking the US to war in Iraq, but he can do the right thing going forward. When President Bush speaks later this week to members of the military and veterans, he should lay out a clear plan for future success in Iraq based on the informed advice of his military command. It's long-past time for the President to show some leadership, for the sake of our troops, their families and America's security."
Bingo. The Dem leadership should stay out of it for now. Just like the Social Security debate, nothing good comes to them from getting in the way of a train wreck in progress.
They simply have no input that will be acted on anyway. Demanding "withdrawal" only sets them (and us) up for the blame.
Liberal like Chuck Hagel? Liberal like Pat Buchanan? Liberal like Mike Peroutka?
And for what? So that the Iraqis could trade the terror of Saddam for the terror of insurgent attacks? So that Saddam's tyranny could be replaced by Iranian-style tyranny? So that Bush's buddies could get their hands on some of that sweet, sweet crude?
Eighteen hundred lives is too high a price to pay! Hell, one life is too high a price to pay! We lost this war the moment we decided to attack another country for no particular reason and with no particular goal.
You'll also have to excuse me if I laught at your pitiful, bigoted babble about "Zionists."
Second of all, you would do well not to insult others while impugning their maturity, especially when you can't even be bothered to come up with a better insult than "you have no idea what you are talking about."
Third of all, our media is biased, in favor of right-wingers like Rupert Murdoch who own most of the media-industrial complex.
Finally, the idea that the world is run by a "Zionist Occupation Government," or whatever it's called nowadays, is ludicrous babble from racist, anti-Semitic tracts written in the 19th century. Grow up. Your problems are caused by your own ineptness in picking a governing party, not by evil Jews.
Since there was no funding of terrorists going on in the first place, that's not much of an argument.
"Giving women and children of Iraq more oppurtunity was not a goal of the US."
Under the new constitution, women will not have the right to vote. Great opportunity, hmm?
"The new constitution clearly states that the oil is the property of the people of Iraq."
And it will be sold to Halliburton at cut-rate prices...or else.
If you have any doubts as to who will be enjoying all of the cut-rate prices on oil (the profits from which will go to Ahmed Chalabi and his oligarchs, not the Iraqi people), look no further than the company that was awarded billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to reconstruct Iraq and has already begun it's war-profiteering operation: Halliburton.
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