The Daily Pulse: Recruiting- Where Are All Those Macho Republicans?

Today sees the start of the Deep Throat expose post mortem.  Given the conservatives' attack mode, I expect they see this as a threat, a reminder to the American people of the dangers of an imperial presidency during time of war.  The parallels to Nixon get stronger every day, so I expect to either see a LOT more or an eerie silence.

Stem cells really seem to be picking up as the issue of the day, and religion in all its forms continues to drive the letter writers.  There are two good letters about recruiting, and I will lead with the first of them:

Is this one of you?  Did somebody here write this?  One wag on Kos suggested we send recruiters the names of College Republicans.  It sounds like a good idea to me.  It seems particularly timely given the Pentagon's refusal to release recruiting numbers.

The Daily Herald (Everett, Washington)

People of courage should march to war

Re-enlistments are down 41 percent in spite of an increase of Army recruiters to 12,000 and a large increase in cash bonuses.

The time is now for all you who have thought this war and this president was doing the right thing, to announce to your children, your grandchildren, to put on the uniform of our country and truly have the courage of your convictions and march to war.

The soldiers need your help now.

A bumper sticker doesn't quite cut it.

DALE FISCHER

Everett

The Oakland (California) Tribune

Bush will hurt himself and his party on stem cell research.  Yes, the religious zealots helped him win in '04, but they helped him win like the nerd that hit the free throws at the end of the game, not like the center that played 42 minutes, scored 35 points, had 15 rebounds and three blocked shots.  There are a lot of wealthy old fashioned Republicans out there with an uncomfortable intimacy with the diseases such research might cure. A cartoon making the same point follows.

Bush goes against will of people on stem cells

PRESIDENT Bush is going against the political will of Congress and the American people on the issue of federal funding for stem cell research. ...

Where is government funding in the United States? The National Institutes of Health, which oversees $28.6 billion in annual spending, has distributed just $54 million for stem cell research over the last four years on cells derived from embryos produced before Aug. 9, 2001. ...

The House last week passed a bill that would increase federal funding for stem cell research. California's Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a critic of administration inaction, has introduced a bill to relax restrictions.

But Bush vows to veto any bill that comes to his desk. This could set up an interesting battle on Capitol Hill. The president has not used the veto since taking office. But he said recently, "I worry about a world in which cloning becomes acceptable," and he would never allow "federal taxpayer money to promote science that destroys life in order to save life." ...

This is a very personal issue for Americans. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., cited his battle against Hodgkin's disease as a medical condition that could benefit from stem cell research. He predicts the Senate will pass the measure if it comes to a vote -- and has enough votes to override a Bush veto. ...

It's time to bring the stem cell issue to a head and force Bush to veto or accept a stronger stem cell bill. Vetoing it could be a very unpopular move.

Bush's stance encourages researchers in other nations to initiate and accelerate research. It has already driven some of our best medical researchers overseas. Stem cell research is an issue that transcends pro-life ideology.

Anniston (Alabama) Star

I keep thinking of Bob Dylan's With God On Our Side,  an ode to our absurd sense of self-righteousness and surety we need not observe the rules because we are right.  

Another exception to our ideals

Having seen Amnesty International's description of Guantanamo Bay as "the gulag of our times," the Bush administration has reacted loudly and angrily.  ...

There it is -- true "American exceptionalism" on display. This old argument is that the country must compromise on its highest ideals just this once because it's really, really vital. Practically from the country's founding, leaders have trotted out exceptions to our rules. The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1789 made political opposition illegal. During the Civil War, President Lincoln suspended certain civil liberties. Much the same thing happened during World War I, the Red Scare of the 1940s and 1950s, the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s and the student protest movement of the 1960s and 1970s. Did we mention the internment of Japanese-American citizens during World War II?  

The point is that all these detours from America's greater self came as a result of what leaders at the time believed to be a different kind of war. ...

It would be a pity to be hung up over the meaning of gulag, and lose a sense of the larger and more disturbing picture.

Anniston (Alabama) Star

The whole idea of stop loss orders in the military has made the entire recruiting process a lie of even greater perfidy than the stupid attempts to get fake GEDs for applicants.  It reduces our All Volunteer Army to victims of 19th century press gangs, lied to and abused.  Huge changes will be required, whether it is a draft, big adjustments to recruiting and use of our men and women, or (and maybe this is what it is all about) privatization and a mercenary army.  Can you imagine the profits for Haliburton?

Speak out ... On truth in recruiting

If the U.S. Army's offer of 15-month contracts to enlistees sounds too good to be true, consider what the courts say. A federal appeals court ruled the Army could use its stop-loss authority to keep all soldiers, including 15-month recruits, in service beyond their original military obligation.  

The Army's 15-month contract is really a lifetime contract and could be a life-ending contract. If President Bush's pre-emptive war with Iraq is so popular, why must the U.S. Army use "Words of Mass Deception" to mislead recruits?  

Joe Boyett

Montgomery

The Bakersfield Californian

The whole argument that keeping preachers from politics on the pulpit is a violation of free speech is idiocy, as this points out. The point is that political speech is not entitled the a tax exemption.

Keep religious freedom pure

The federal constitutional separation of church and state that has served both institutions well is in jeopardy. It must be allowed to remain intact.  

One tool that helps ensure the survival of the incredibly valuable and historically unique experiment by the founding fathers would be obliterated by the House of Worship Freedom of Speech Restoration Act. ...

If passed, it would remove the Internal Revenue Service's ability to question whether a church's partisan political activity -- including overt candidate endorsements -- jeopardizes its tax-exempt status. The bill would remove partisan politicking as grounds for revoking churches' tax-exempt status. ...

A spokeswoman for Jones says, "It's a freedom of speech issue. There is no reason that ministers, rabbis, what have you, shouldn't be allowed to have the same rights as other citizens."

True. And they do have those rights -- they just shouldn't be able to do it tax free. No one else does. All they have to do when they want to work for political causes is to do it outside the church.

The example is shown best by another member of Congress, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, a Democrat from Kansas City, Mo., and a Methodist minister. He has never endorsed anybody from the pulpit, he says, including himself.

"When the church and state sleep together, the church rises the next day without respect. The church must retain its purity. What we are obligated to do from the pulpit is say, 'Thus says the Lord,' and the Lord, as far as I know, has not gotten into giving endorsements."

The Gainesville (Florida) Sun

This looks like a local story, but is just a local example of a national trend- taking money from public schools and giving it to private schools with religious affiliations. The public schools fail tests, and the private schools get money and no testing.  We just have to "believe" they are better.  It is, in my humble opinion, not a coincidence that the Catholic Church discovered for the first time this last election cycle that there were abortion supporters taking communion.  There is an ENORMOUS amount of money to be gained by Catholic schools, by far the largest block of private schools in the country, from the whole NCLB and school voucher boondoggle.

Jeb's half-baked pie

Gov. Jeb Bush says that private school vouchers are as "American as apple-pie." But from the very beginning, Bush's apple-pie recipe for privatizing education reform was half-baked. ...

So public schools are held accountable for the public dollars they receive. But what about the private schools that take state-funded vouchers? Do voucher students do better than public-school students? Nobody knows, and the state has shown virtually no interest in finding out. ...

Ultimately, it will be the Florida Supreme Court that will make the final call on vouchers. The state's constitution has a fairly explicit ban on taking money from the "public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution." Since many voucher schools are church-affiliated, two lower courts have already held Bush's voucher programs to be unconstitutional....

Even if the Florida Supreme Court were to, somehow, find vouchers are indeed constitutional, it appears that the Legislature is growing wary of the notion that the way to reform public education is to throw money at private schools. We predict that, ultimately, Florida's flirtation with private-school vouchers will be remembered as a half-baked vanity on the part of a governor who confused political platitude with good public policy.

King County (Washington) Journal

Ah, snarkiness.  What better way to respond to the stupidity that is "intelligent design"?

OK, let's teach the children

Kids should be taught both sides of controversial topics.

Let's require that science classes teach that a flood covering the Earth would have left an even layer of silt in the substrata around the globe -- but that no such layer exists. And that any such flood would have saturated the soil with salt, making it impossible to grow food -- starving any humans or animals who managed to survive the flood.

Let's have the English classes explore the contradiction of a loving ``ruling person'' who supposedly cares for each of his subjects who nevertheless annihilates whole cities of them -- children included -- because he's irritated with the behavior of some of the adults. Let's teach them that homosexual behavior occurs quite naturally in dozens of animal species.

Do all this and I'll have no objections to lessons exploring the ``weaknesses'' in evolutionary theory.

Laura Billington

Maple Valley

Lansing (Michigan) State Journal

Bolton has no business representing our country, but he will probably get shoved through and then ignored.  Yes, he is a terrible choice to be U.N. Ambassador, but this Administration hates the U.N. anyway.  It's sort of like being sent to stay at your in-laws during a divorce- the idea is insane, but ultimately futile.

Bolton: Senate vote should convince Bush to nominate another

Democrats in the U.S. Senate were right last week to block the confirmation vote of John Bolton as our United Nations ambassador.

The Democrats have a bigger beef with the White House besides not liking Bolton. They've asked the Bush administration for several weeks to provide information about Bolton's work in his current assignment, as the State Department's arms control chief.

The administration has rebuffed those requests. ...

President Bush still may get his way on the Bolton nomination, and he could hasten matters by forwarding the information requested by the senators. Better yet, he could have Bolton withdraw from the process, freeing the president to choose someone less of a lightning rod to represent the United States at the U.N.

The Republican (Springfield, Massachusetts)

I expect this will be the first of many Deep Throat editorials in The Daily Pulse.  The conservative attack against him is fascinating, and to me indicates just how deep this Administration is in the shit, and how clearly they know the whole facade could come tumbling down.  The Downing Street Minutes are a lever, but the fulcrum is not yet in place.  The fulcrum, much like that used to move Nixon, was an unpopular war.  Watch Bush's numbers fall as the body count rises, and the fulcrum starts to move into place.

A decades-old secret becomes trivia answer

Watergate was a clumsy attempt by the highest government officials in Washington to deceive the American people.

The bungled break-in and the cover-up nearly destroyed America's faith in the federal government and its leaders. ...

The identity of Deep Throat remained a mystery for nearly 33 years until it was revealed Tuesday by Vanity Fair and confirmed by his family members and The Washington Post.

W. Mark Felt was the second-in-command at the FBI in the early 1970s. ...

The greatest political mystery of our time now becomes the answer to a trivia question. Most Americans, at least those of a certain age, rarely, if ever, think of Watergate. It is a lesson no American should ever forget.

Watergate is a story of a president who sought to overthrow his own government even as he held the government's highest office. It is the story of men who thought they were above the law and acted without regard for the law. It is a story of secrecy and deceit. It is a story of the First Amendment and a free press at work.

Watergate threatened to undermine the integrity of the American government, yet the public's faith was not easily destroyed.

Reforms triggered by Watergate include the Ethics in Government Act, the Government in Sunshine Act, the Special Prosecutor provision, Congressional ethics codes, Freedom of Information Act amendments, House and Senate Open Meeting Rules, and FBI domestic security guidelines among many others.

History will not forget Richard Nixon. It should soon not forget W. Mark Felt, either.


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20 Comments

If I can see Zell Miller's point of view
Enjoy how Newt Gingrich really 'gets it' when
it comes to the internet and grassroots,
Appreciate the legacy of Bill Clinton,
and admire the environmentalism of John Kerry -

Does that make me a macho democrat? Or does
that just piss off all the democrats singing
"macho macho man" ...

-=-

I know where the macho doctors are right now..

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/05/16/marburg.angola.reut/index.html

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-06-02 04:40AM | 0 recs
I want a bumper sticker
to slap on the cars with the 'support our troops' and other more jingoistic slogans:

Then, Enlist Your A$$

yeah, I know I'd be shot, but I want to do it.

by sarany 2005-06-02 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: I want a bumper sticker
I would rather slap another sticker that says, "Then bring 'em home".

I went to visit my father-in-law at Walter Reed.

Place looked  like 'MASH' meets 'Saving Private Ryan'.".

by Bruticus 2005-06-02 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: I want a bumper sticker
^^ agreed! and that's how I really feel. I just like the point that all the hypocritical, loud-mouthed, fat a$$es with the car decals and their blogs and their columns and seats in front of the camera and their sermonizing and their postings on Free Republic etc. ought to enlist or, well, STFU. And take all their pals along with them.

I'd be happy to listen to their thoughts on patriotism after...

Hmm, maybe a t-shirt:
Enlist Your Ass or
STFU

by sarany 2005-06-02 10:46AM | 0 recs
'101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work

All Republicans should enlist because of their support for Iraq?

What an intelligent argument - and it gets repeated tirelessly by several of the geniuses on here.

Why not turn it around so you can see how insipid it is...????

Social Security. I'd rather keep my 15% and make my own retirement arrangements. Perhaps all the liberals who want to protect this pathetic pension program should be first in line to pony up...

Nationalized Health Care? I don't want it, nor do I want to pay for it. Time for the left to open their collective wallets, I think....I hear that the IRS is taking donations....

And then there is the National Chocolate Ice  Cream Cone Progam...and while free ice cream is really tempting, unfortunately I like vanilla better. But all you lefties pushing for subsidized ice cream cones should be just begging throw your dollars into the effort....

As I said...stupid arguments. All citizens bear the burden of the choices made by the government, military action as well as budget items. Not just those who support government programs, or foreign policies.

by ModZero 2005-06-02 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
Your argument is flawed.  Why?  Because we liberals DO participate in Social Security.  We are not demanding that OTHERS contribute to it for our benefit.  Ditto the other programs.

You see, the people that are demanding WAR!!! and staying home are not merely suggesting national policy, they are demanding national policy at no cost to themselves, and great cost to others.

by dhonig 2005-06-02 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work

Nope. Not exactly. You participate in Social Security. You like the program, and have bought into it. You happily contribute your tax dollars to the cause.

I am not so happy with the program. I do not believe I will see a reasonable return on the money I am forced to contribute. But I get to throw my tax dollars into that sinkhole as well, merely because those who like the program insist upon it.

But if you are trying to say that forced participation in these social programs is fair because 'we all contribute, we all benefit' its quite easy to point out that those Democrat-voters who most enthusiastically support these kinds of programs are NOT the ones who are going to be paying for them....THAT little detail will be left for the Republican supporters to deal with.

by ModZero 2005-06-02 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
What the hell are you talking about?!  Upon what do you base your conclusion democrats will not be supporting the program, republicans will?  Is it some insane leftover "welfare mothers" fantasy?  Odds are pretty good that, as a parter in one of the 5 largest health care law firms in the country, I contribute at least as much to SS as you do, so your argument is crap.

You simply did not respond to my point- that the chicken hawks are not suggesting a program in which we all experience similar benefit or detriment.  They are couch potatos in the game of military conquest, happily zapping aliens or terrorists on their game boys, while demanding we send real people to die for their fantasies.  How you can compare that to Social Security is utterly beyond anybody with two brain cells to rub together.

With all due respect.

by dhonig 2005-06-02 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
On the basis that Republicans have higher average incomes than Democrats. Republicans will always be pay disproportionately more for the programs that the Democrats want for themselves. Didn't you know that, butthole? With all due respect, of course...

And yes, I am sure you contribute more to Social Security, because I am not even working in the USA. Of course, a comparison between YOU and I is totally irrelevent...

Furthermore, Republicans and right-wingers do put their money where their mouth is. Political affiliation of the military is very heavily weighted towards the right....while the left cries crocodile tears for the troops, grandstanding and scream that the 'grunts' are being taken advantage of - they conveniently ignore the fact that the vast majority of active military support George W. AND their mission fighting terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan.

by ModZero 2005-06-02 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
Ahhh, pure ignorance is so refreshing.

On the basis that Republicans have higher average incomes than Democrats. Republicans will always be pay disproportionately more for the programs that the Democrats want for themselves. Didn't you know that, butthole? With all due respect, of course...

Have you ever heard of the Social Security cap?  Are you aware that the SS tax is only paid to a certain income?  In other words, if one guy makes $90,000 (this year's cap) and another makes $500,000, they pay exactly the same amount of SS tax.  So, how about a little thought and review?

Here you will see that the blue states are above the average American income, while the red states are below.  In other words, your assumptions about rich republicans and welfare democrats are as wrong as they are stupid.  For further proof, just look at the difference in the flow of federal dollars, to the poorer red states and from the wealthier blue states, here.

But wait, you might ask (if you had the wherewithal to formulate a coherent question), what about the exit polls showing the wealthy voted republican? Let us look, shall we?

You can find such a poll here.  And what does it show?  Let me put up the relevant portion:


INCOME      % of TOTAL BUSH    KERRY    NADER

Under $15,000  (8%)     36%      63%      0%

$15-30,000     (15%)    42%      57%      0%

$30-50,000     (22%)    49%      50%      0%

$50-75,000     (23%)    56%      43%      0%

$75-100,000    (14%)    55%      45%      0%

$100-150,000   (11%)    57%      42%      1%

$150-200,000    (4%)    58%      42%      *

$200,000 or More(3%)    63%      35%      1%

So what does this tell us?  15% of the voters made more than $100,000, so they maxed out at the cap.  They spent no more on Social Security than the people making $90,000.  In fact, their contributions are far LESS as a percentage of their income than lower income earners.  In other words, Social Security's regressive taxation works to their benefit, a serious flaw in your reasoning, but not the actual point here.

What does it prove?  It proves that people that do not benefit from the regressive nature of the Social Security tax, those who pay THE MOST from every dollar,voted for Kerry by 53%.  Only those that paid LESS for Social Security, getting to tax more of each dollar home with them, voted for Bush in overwhelming numbers.

And as for your lectures on the military and its politics, why don't you call back when your stepfather is at rest next to mine, in Arlington National Cemetery?

by dhonig 2005-06-02 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
You know, reading ModZeros's post reminds nme why I am a Democrat. BTW, Parker and Boatwright, don't EVER call me a Republican again.smile

Now to address his points. Before you start up with the "Military votes for Bush" crap, just which military are y ou talking about?  Sure, commissioned officers are mostly white, and tend to vote Republican. But the guys who are dying, the enlisted personell, are disproportionately minority and lower income. Who falls into another demographic and party.....

Now as far as your little health insurance position, stop drinking the kool-aid! You are ALREADY paying for someone else's health care! That's the way insurance companies  work! They spread the healthcare costs around as many people as possible.
Now as far as Social Security, your position is classic Republican selfishness. SS is a guarantee, not an investment. Do you really think that everyone wins if we ALL have money in the stock market? And I suppose the fact  (like a 401K) that regardless if you win or lose, you still have to pay management fees is OK, too right?

by Bruticus 2005-06-02 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
In other words

Democrats = War on Poverty
Republicans = War on the Poor

I will give you this, Republicans have been far more successful in putting their plan in action than the Democrats.

by wayward 2005-06-02 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: '101st Fighting Keyboarders' quip doesn't work
"All Republicans should enlist because of their support for Iraq?"

Yes.  If you are of age to serve in a war you think is a good idea, then you have a moral obligation to haul your behind to the front.  

Why wouldn't you?  Aside from fear of gunshot wounds, that is.

by zak822 2005-06-03 05:48AM | 0 recs
All I can say is...
Good thing I already did my time!
by Vote Hillary 2008 2005-06-02 08:04AM | 0 recs
Catholics and vouchers
It is, in my humble opinion, not a coincidence that the Catholic Church discovered for the first time this last election cycle that there were abortion supporters taking communion.  There is an ENORMOUS amount of money to be gained by Catholic schools, by far the largest block of private schools in the country, from the whole NCLB and school voucher boondoggle.

Roman Catholic Bishop of Sacramento, William Weigand, was all over Gray Davis for being pro-choice and Catholic. Yet he has said NOTHING about the new pro-choice, Catholic, Governor of California.

Gee, I wonder why?

That being said, I don't believe that the Catholic Church is after money, but after control, and not necessarily over other kids, but over their own, at least in the US. (Quit recycling old Reformation myths. It's never about money with the Catholic Church.) In the 1890's, Catholic parishes were REQUIRED by Rome to provide and fund parochial schools to 8th grade if there were a certain number of kids in the parish. This was to keep the kids as Catholic as possible. This is because the Catholic Church did not trust the heavily Protestant influenced public schools. (Keep in mind this is the same era where a Catholic could not marry a non-Catholic in the church sanctuary and where a Catholic could not even enter a non-Catholic Church without permission of his priest.)

After Vatican II, the demand for such schooling greatly decreased among Catholics, and as they left ethnic neighborhoods for the suburbs and the sunbelt, it became considerably more difficult.

What conservative Catholics want is a restoration of the Catholic school system so they can educate their kids as strict Catholics. However, they also don't want to pay for it, but want taxpayers to pick up the tab.

*Ironically, the original intent of Florida's law was not separation of church and state, but 19th century anti-Catholicism. Other countries, like Canada funded Catholic schools alongside very Protestant "public" schools. American Protestants wanted no part of this. Google the term "Blaine Amendment" for more information.

**BTW, a close relative of mine is a Catholic elementary school principal, a Democrat, and a proud supporter of public education.

by wayward 2005-06-02 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Catholics and vouchers
Pretty much.

The Catholic Church has lots to lose if the dream of public education is ever realized. But it's more the fact that the American Church is losing influence in Rome and always needs to appear relevant and a source of revenue.

by risenmessiah 2005-06-02 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Catholics and vouchers
Rome doesn't really care about the United States. We are considered a Protestant nation and they have bigger problems to worry about.

The American Church is not losing influence in Rome because they can't lose something they never really had. Other than being a major force behind getting the Catholic Church to accept freedom of religion during Vatican II, the American Church hasn't done much. American bishops are followers, not leaders, and they always have been. The power is still with the Europeans, especially the mostly Italian Curia.

(That being said, Pope Benedict XVI just appointed an American, Archbishop William Levada of San Francisco, to his old job at the inquisition. It is the highest post an American has ever held.)

What the American Church is afraid of is losing influence in America. Boston was once the most Catholic city in the United States. "Banned in Boston" was once used to advertise books that had irritated the Catholic authorities in that town.

Now the Church has no influence in that town anymore. Massachusetts is easily one of the most liberal states in the union. Two guys can get married in that state, which makes Vermont look conservative by comparison. Churches are closing and being sold off.

Of course, if the Church would just, I don't know, maybe, LOOK IN THE MIRROR SOMETIME, they might see the solution to their problem. Molestation happens. It's a tragedy, but there are bad apples in every organization and stuff like that happens. However, shuffling child molestors around the archdiocese while intimidating the victims is not exactly the best way to win friends and influence people. "Kicking upstairs" the parties responsible for the cover-up and shielding them from prosecution at the Vatican doesn't help either. Doing this while trying to regulate the bedroom behavior of not only consenting adults, but married couples as well, is insane.

Rebuilding the Catholic school system is seen as the first step to rebuilding that influence. Conservative Catholics have mostly written off the a large number of the baby boomers and Generation X and are focusing on the youth. Parallel with the push for vouchers is a simultaneous push to purge the current Catholic educational system. (Yes, there are Catholics out there who do not consider Notre Dame to be a REAL Catholic university.)

Mark my words, the rise of the Catholic right will be the great socio-political story of the next half-century. They have a considerable amount of money and influence and are growing surprisingly fast. Evangelicals are too ignorant and disorganized to get anything serious together; it is the Catholic right who is in the driver's seat of the coalition. It is hard to say whether this scares me more as a Catholic or as an American.

by wayward 2005-06-02 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Catholics and vouchers
I think you have it backwards.

The Catholic Right is more or less working to re-exert itself within the National Conference of Catholic Bishops because of the demographic shift in Catholics. You are right that every Irish, Italian, and Polish guy in the US went to see "Father" on Sunday. And the Protestant discrimination towards Catholics was real and still survives to this day in some amounts.

But the Church and the NCCB never play the game that they are "conservative" or "liberal". And for them, Catholic schools were always a great selling point because of the more aggressive tactics they could use in discipline. But, having attneding a Catholic school for junior high and high school...the lack of committment in building real scholars shows. Catholic schools are more crowded than public ones, yet parents clamor to send their kids anyway. Catholic schools have lower standards for teacher education, worse benefits, and lower salaries. Most cannot even handle children with learning or physicial disabilities.

But the "iron triangle" effect I think you see is more about the fact that many Catholics that enter the US are Latin American. Often, they cannot afford Catholic schools not because they are any more expensive than 30 years ago, but because the real wage has not increased in that time. In order to keep these schools open for the next wave of Catholic immigration to America, there has to be an alternate source funding...a la vouchers. Conveniently, the aspect of tougher discpline also stirs interest by those African-Americans who could not afford (even with a voucher) a tony prep school.

So you should not be worried. The Catholic Right of the future will be far smaller than the one today for the simple fact that the Church did a dreadful job of youth outreach compared to Protestant ministries. Most of the white kids have moved out. Secondly, there have always been two school systems in America. First it was Royal v. Puritan, then it became Protestant v. Catholic, then black v. white and now public v. private. Having a solitary rule of education in the country would destroy the inherent segregational mindset nearly all Americans have, and refuse to abandon.

by risenmessiah 2005-06-02 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Catholics and vouchers
I am probably extrapolating from a very limited data set. The parish and Catholic school I attended as a child have both gotten considerably more conservative in the past few years.

If this is an isolated incident, and not a trend, then I am relieved.

by wayward 2005-06-03 02:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Catholics and vouchers
I would say that while new Catholic immigrants tend to vote more conservatively than more entrenched Catholic Americans, beyond that it's all academic. If you believe that gay marriage cost John Kerry the election (which I don't) then the all-consuming power of Opus Dei might give you nightsweats. But if you tend to think that these guys are only really fooling themselves how long such tactics work, the erosion of any real social nucelus among Catholics means the Religious Right is just more wingnut fun for people like you and I.
by risenmessiah 2005-06-04 12:04PM | 0 recs

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