Expect Republican Disunity To Become the Norm

Demoralizing different parts of the Republican base is one of the keys to turning around the political situation in the short term (2006, 2008). In the wake of last night's demoralization of the theocons, comes this reminder from the Washington Post that the business community isn't happy with Republicans either:"I'm inclined to support the Republican Party, but the question becomes, how much other stuff do I have to put up with to maintain that identification?" asked Andrew A. Samwick, a Dartmouth College economics professor who until recently was chief economist of Bush's Council of Economic Advisers.

"I don't know a single business group involved in the judicial nominees," said R. Bruce Josten, an executive vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Nada, none, zip."(...)

"The potential for high-minded policy reforms to fix entitlements and spur growth and prosperity has degenerated into a hopeless morass," Republican economist Lawrence Kudlow wrote yesterday on the National Review's Web site.(...)

But since then, it has become clear the judicial showdown could doom initiatives on taxes, legal liability protections, Social Security and other priorities. Last week, NAM spokesman Darren McKinney said not only would the group stay out of the fight, but "we hope that leveler heads prevail" before the confrontation virtually shuts down the Senate.

Mark A. Bloomfield, whose business-backed American Council for Capital Formation pushes for lower taxes on savings, investment and inheritances, said the business community is no longer the GOP's base.(...)

Since the election, Washington Republicans resemble the German military during World War I, opening new fronts before old battles are resolved, said John E. Silvia, chief economist at Wachovia Corp. and a former top GOP economist for the Senate Banking Committee and the Joint Economic Committee. One week it's Social Security, the next week it's Schiavo, then steroids, then judges, he said.

We often refer to Republicans as the Borg, but that is a terrible mischaracterization. While not as diverse as the Democratic coalition, and not visible within their voting habits, the Republican coalition does indeed have a decent amount of ideological diversity. Much of their amazing unity was forged not only through superior caucus disciplinary measures and through cooperative infrastructure, but simply by being in the at least partial opposition for seventy years. It is easier to be united in opposition than it is in governance, and this is a lesson Republicans are learning the hard way.

We have all seen Democratic unity rise to never-before seen levels over the past year. John Kerry actually won a higher percentage of self-identifying Democrats than any other Democratic nominee since at least 1964. Now on Social Security we see much of the same unity. One advantage to being out of power--an advantage serves as a natural mechanism for maintaining balance between the two coalitions in any two party system--is that opposition tends to breed unity, while governing tends to breed disunity. History demonstrates this well. The largest splinter movements from the Democratic Party all came after periods of governance. In 1948, after sixteen years of Democratic dominance, southern Democrats under Thurmond and progressive Democrats under Henry Wallace both ran significant splinter campaigns. In 1968, after eight years of the Democratic trifecta, southern Democrats again splintered with George Wallace's campaign. In 2000, after eight years of Clinton, the Green Party mounting a sizable splinter campaign.

Republicans better get used to their current struggles with unity, most dramatically demonstrated last night over judges and over the past few months over Social Security. As long as they are in power, more such hurdles on their horizon. In fact, as our time in opposition continues, the "directionless" and "don't know what they stand for" labels will eventually shift toward Republicans. Seventy years of power helped make it unclear what Democrats stood for, while the Republican opposition became more unified and developed a seemingly clear agenda (or at least an elevator pitch). Just two and a half years of Democratic opposition are already helping to accomplish much of the same, just in reverse.

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hate to break it to you
but the Democratic coalition is going to fracture just as badly. The repeated finger pointing at "special interest groups", the "moderates" selling out the base to corporations, the complete abandonment of black voters in '04, women, gays and workers ...

I think the breakdown in the Democratic Party is going to be much more ugly. Especially after yesterday. Especially after Bush puts in Scalia at Chief Justice and puts up some serious winger (Owen maybe?) to take Scalia's seat.

'06 is going to be war.

by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-24 12:05PM | 0 recs
But wait?
I don't understand why your new-found best friend would rate this a 3, when yesterday he posted a diary that clearly stated the opposite?  I shall use his words to refute you.

"What a load of poo. Where has it been proven that the cause of the demise of the Democratic Party is interests groups? ...Besides DLC literature and in Zell Millers books."

http://parker.mydd.com/story/2005/5/23/1293/68075#comment_top

by NCDem 2005-05-24 12:13PM | 0 recs
sophistry
I'm not saying that the "interest parties" have broken the party, what I'm saying is that they have no choice now but to go to war. This deal is the last straw.
by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-24 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: sophistry
in other words, the party has thrown the left out of the party ... their expecting us to be nothing but GOTV boots on the ground and ATM machines while they continue to sell us out.
by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-24 12:18PM | 0 recs
That's not the word on the street...
www.naral.org
NARAL and Planned Parenthood, the two largest pro-choice Organizations in America... are saying "Checks and balances remain in place for future nominees" and calling the COMPROMISE "bittersweet"... (meaning they feel they won something, and lost something)...  They're certainly not condemning the compromising senators, and I don't see any "war-talk" from them.  

League of Conservation Voters and the Sierra Club... the two largest environmental organizations that focus on politics count this as a victory... they're not going "to war".

www.lcv.org
"We commend this bipartisan group of senators for their agreement to avoid the so-called 'nuclear option' and preserve the filibuster as an option in stopping radical, anti-environmental judicial nominees from becoming life-long members of the federal bench."

Sierra club loves it...
http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2005-05-23a.asp
"The nuclear option is off the table. Senators' right to filibuster is intact. These are victories for the Senate, the nation, and our constitutional system of checks and balances."

Look, you and Parker can bitch all you want, but the realists in the world see that Frist's and Bush's agenda was dealt a severe blow last night.  People are complaining about the "bittersweet" compromise, but what do you expect?  When you "compromise" you don't get every motherfuckin' thing you wanted, by definition.  The "interest parties" are not "going to war" against shit.  They're dealing with this new-found reality, and they're moving on.  I suggest you do the same thing, and say something productive.

by NCDem 2005-05-24 12:37PM | 0 recs
There's still a chance
that this outcome will further the Backlash Narrative, and help the Reeps come 2006. The public perception is that the Reeps lost, and I agree that that seems like the realistic view, but I've also observed that the Reeps are uncommonly fond of picking fights they know they can't win, so that they can play the victims when they're beaten.

As to whether or not the compromise was worth it, I'm holding off judgement until I see who makes it to the Supreme Clown Posse. Until then, we can only speculate.

by catastrophile 2005-05-24 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: That's not the word on the street...
How is getting three of the most extreme, unacceptable nominees free sailing a "compromise"?

As for NARAL and the rest ... they are in a position where they have to take a public face in line with the party, but I would bet everything that they are working hard to undermine this deal and the 7 turncoats who signed onto it.

Oh, and anybody who doesn't understand that the filibuster, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists is fooling themselves.

Of course, you don't care, because the so-called "centrists" and the Republicans are basically reconstituting the Confederacy, so you'll feel right at home.

by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-24 01:08PM | 0 recs
If it's all the same to you
I trust well-respected, well-established progressive organizations' takes on the matter over some random "madman" who's been posting here for exactly 1 day.  So, either prove how "NARAL and the rest" are secretly working to "undermine this deal"... or just shut the fuck up.  You've made your point.  If, indeed, you're correct, you get to say "I told you so" later.  Until then, your navel-gazing bitching is doing absolutely zero to help the "real" Democratic cause that you proclaim to be forwarding.
by NCDem 2005-05-24 01:44PM | 0 recs
OH-kay ...
I've been active over at dKos for several years, and I didn't do more than lurk here because of the focus during the election on political mechanics. I have learned quite a lot lurking here over the last year or so.

Thanks for making me feel welcome, though ...

Oh, and I'm pressing a LIBERAL Democratic cause ... the so called "blue-dog" democrats can kiss my fucking ass.

by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-24 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: OH-kay...
And being a "LIBERAL" Democrat... I argue that you're method of "pressing a LIBERAL Democratic cause" is hurting the very cause you're pressing.  Liberals usually pride themselves on the ability to view the world in various shades of grey, realizing that arguing in an "absolute" sense...

i.e. "...The filibuster... no longer exists..."

(while perhaps effective when talking to "the masses", and this is why Republicans are so successful) is counterproductive when berating "thinking" liberals such as you find on MyDD.
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And furthermore, you have the nerve to come here, stereotype Southerners, people from the South, and centrist Democrats as nothing but of backwards-thinking Confederate-reconstructionists?!?!?!

"...the so-called "centrists" and the Republicans are basically reconstituting the Confederacy, so you'll feel right at home."

And you, in the next sentence expect a fucking welcome mat?!?!?!
"Thanks for making me feel welcome."

The nerve... I don't give one flying shit how many "years" you've been "active" on DailyKos.  I suspect that the only reason that you're here now, is that your navel-gazing narcisistic self doesn't get the response and recognition you think you deserve in the echo-chamber that has become DailyKos.  Sad will be the day if and when non-thinking, berating, insulting, single-minded fake-liberals complete their take-over of the threads here... where insults matter more than substance, where one-liners and one-lined diaries rule the day...

by NCDem 2005-05-25 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: OH-kay...
actually, I came here for the fresh perspective on things. I'm enjoying Chris' posts lately, and wanted to get involved.

I have noticed that you have a tendency to do the very thing you're accusing me of, "berating, insulting" people who don't agree with you.

The filibuster is a weapon that is all-but unusable now, and that "compromise" is already taking the air out of what had been an increasingly unified Democratic Party. Led by the usual so-called "moderates" of course.

by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-25 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: That's not the word on the street...
The CBC just issued a press release condeming LIEbermans actions on the Filibuster as captitulations..

Judy Woof Woof was just interviewing Dean

by Parker 2005-05-24 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: That's not the word on the street...
I can't get video on my work computer, but I completely agree that Lieberman needs to put a sock in it. He keeps taking shots at Democrats and the Democratic party and somebody should muzzle him or tell him to get a job with Faux News.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-24 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: But wait?
you got something against Zell Miller?
Bet now you're going to say you don't
like Fox News correspondents either..

Here's a question for you Mr. NCBrainFRiedemocrat
- who gets to blackball someone from the party -
is it you? The party chair?

Does the state have to give a person who's
not towing the party line the heave-ho,
or does a conference do it?

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-24 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: But wait?
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by NCDem 2005-05-24 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: But wait?
perhaps you should learn to read.
by Parker 2005-05-24 12:43PM | 0 recs
Perhaps you should learn to reply...
...in a matter that conveys why he is wrong.
by craverguy 2005-05-24 12:45PM | 0 recs
by Parker 2005-05-24 12:46PM | 0 recs
Lies on top of lies..
The right's frames are all designed to cover up the ugly truths of their greed and their pasts.

but we are talking about the future. That really scares them. People without children have more options. A society without children really will find it very difficult to engage in war.. (who will fight?)

Instead of doing what France does and give people rewards for having children..we have this..

The bottom line is that we NEED to structure our society so that there are stable options available to people who want to start families that work. Even people without college degrees.

But doing that would be expensive for the powerful elite. Their scenario has us looking much like Asia in ten or fifteen years, which is a very difficult world indeed for most people. (However, if you are rich, its a paradise of sorts.)

So we get what we have.. Lies on top of more lies and more lies to cover the truth up.

by ultraworld 2005-05-24 05:00PM | 0 recs
The American people are BUSY..
They don't atch CSPAN. They don't have much of an idea of what these idiots are doing in Washington.

But when they do become aware.. and they are beginning to.. it will not be pretty for the GOP if they continue to play the kinds of divisive, abusive game they are playing.

They are SO out of touch and SO utterly insensitive to the plight of the American family that they are really DESPERATELY doing what they are doing...

But sooner or later it will collapse under the weight of its own lies and then we will have a very long period in which the GOP will not be a viable party...  

Not unlike what happened after Watergate or the Depression..

by ultraworld 2005-05-24 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: hate to break it to you
I just wish the interest groups would just take a back seat for once in their lives and acknowledge it is going to take some patience and cooperation to get each one of their disparate goals accomplished.  

Do you think the average Wall Street trader or hedge fund manager cares for the radical right.  I can tell you from personal experience that it is a big fat NO.  But they shut the fuck up because they realize those wingnuts help them get their policies enacted(see income tax cuts, estate tax cut, bankruptcy bill, etc.).  If only NARAL or the other groups had any political saavy.  

by Eric11 2005-05-24 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: hate to break it to you
I just wish the interest groups would just take a back seat for once in their lives

You mean sit at the back of the bus?

they realize those wingnuts help them get their policies

THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM!!!

Since the DLC has taken over they refuse to "pay" the base. Gopers get paid. The Dem base just gets fucked over...and over... and over.

Look at what Kerry did to the African American voters... he royally fucked them... them the coward had the nerve to "leave" the country to avoid standing up for them in the Senate...

GOPERS GET PAID FOR THEIR LOYALTY... THE DEM BASE JUST GETS SHAFTED.

by Parker 2005-05-24 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: hate to break it to you
You mean sit at the back of the bus?

Yes, at the back of the bus, where all the rest of the Democrats are currently sitting. At some point, you are going to have to deal with the fact that the Democrats are trying to come back from serious losses in 2002 and 2004. People are getting a little arrogant and over-excited because Bush's agenda has been stymied lately, but that doesn't mean we won any elections. The GOP still controls the agenda, and they still believe that they have a mandate. Meanwhile, the Democrats have been playing a far better defense than the Republicans or anyone else expected, and I'm not one to bitch about it.

by MrOnion 2005-05-24 05:02PM | 0 recs
What 'Interest Groups'?
Like BIG OIL?
Like The Pharmaceutical Industry?
Like the boadcasting industry?
Like the extremely rich and idle 'investor class' we are being pre4pared to worship (what a great excuse to persecute those who 'just' work, (or try to work!) - cant you see it coming?

They have the whole thing planned out..
just like Germany in 1933

by ultraworld 2005-05-24 05:07PM | 0 recs
Read these articles
"Neo-fascism in America

Some time ago, The Herald newspaper, Glasgow, Scotland, published a letter in which I criticised the war in Iraq and suggested that the neo-cons in the US were a ruling neo-fascist elite. A trail of letters followed with one correspondent stating that I was making a serious error labeling them neo-fascist. He called them "tragically over-zealous apostles of liberal democracy." Following the lively Herald debate, I was invited by The Surface to contribute this article."

The article is at:

http://207.44.245.159/article7553.htm

Also see:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dave300019.htm

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dave300020.htm

by ultraworld 2005-05-24 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: hate to break it to you
where all the rest of the Democrats are currently sitting

Accept the ones who vote for torture and bankruptcy... they are driving the bus without the permission of the Democratic base.

by Parker 2005-05-24 09:31PM | 0 recs
Excellent diary today
the disappointment of the extreme right wing is not the sign of a Democratic victory but of just how radical their lust for power has become.

The wingnuts smelled that blood and death of the Democratic party only to receive a paralysed Democratic party that has it's hands tied behind it back.

They are "demoralized" because we are still breathing... they wanted our deaths.

by Parker 2005-05-24 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Excellent diary today

Biggest mistake you can make, parker
is that you would incorporate into your
strategem the GOP movin in for the kill.

Far, far from it. The GOP wants the dems
as paralyzed as they are just about right
now. The magic is that the dems will need
to feel as if they're winning in order
to be really irrelevant.

Grover Norquist : "When you neuter
some barnyard animals they become
quite docile and easy to work with."

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-24 12:26PM | 0 recs
Expect
the unexpected..
by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-24 12:20PM | 0 recs
Outstanding analysis Chris
Diaries like this are the reason you and Jerome have a very popular blog and why I just make comments on it.

I have read about the historical tendency that opposition breeds cohesiveness, but I forgot all about it in the hubub. Very good point. When Lawrence Kudlow steps up to the plate to criticize the Republican party you know the Wall Street Republicans are fed up.

One of the advantages I saw to the filibuster is that it would stop the Bush agenda in its tracks. I still don't see much of anything that is worth passing in this session. The fewer bills that Bush gets to sign the better. The more the Republican party turns into a fractured fairy tale caricature, the better.

Now if Harry Reid could just get Lieberman to put a sock in it and stop blaming both parties for everything . . .

by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-24 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Outstanding analysis Chris
I agree with you. Chris is not so bad
sometimes. I really enjoy the ones where
he uses discipline and backs things up
with real solid numbers we can check.

Nowhere else on the web can you find a place
like this. Chris is fun.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-24 12:27PM | 0 recs
"Chris is fun?"
Dude.

I'll trade you some DVDs for whatever it is you're on . . . (as long as it's not banana peels or some dumb crap like that).

by catastrophile 2005-05-24 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Outstanding analysis Chris
That's exactly the reason I hang out here. If there's a better place to get solid facts and keen political analysis and blow off steam once in a while at the same time, I don't know where it is.

I moved over here from dkos because I'm not a dyed in the wool Democrat and I like to bitch about politicians. If you don't vote, don't bitch may be the only reason I continue voting.

I've had friends who are amazed at how politically active I am ask why I don't run for office. I tell them I'd be too busy writing letters to the editor bitching about the shitty job I was doing to get anything done.

I would not be a good politician.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-24 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Outstanding analysis Chris
They both think of shit I haven't thought of too. I enjoy being challenged to think about things in a way I haven't considered.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-24 01:30PM | 0 recs
We aren't immune
The swelling of the Republican ranks are only temporary. Even when a lot of them stop drinking the punch, there's still no guarantee that they will come back to our camp for any length of time. Oh sure, we might get the 2008 prez slot, (kinda like 1976) but people would only be voting against the repugs, and not for us. That's a losing, only-thinking-about the next-2-years mentality that made us susceptible in 1994.
The core democratic messages of populism, healthcare and social reform, Social Security, etc. still hasn't made front and center because between John Kerry's  military record, the pope, Terry Schiavo, a runaway bride, Iraq, the fillibuster wars and gay marriage, the average american still doesn't know what we stand for besides having the nebulous title of the 'opposition party'.  
by Bruticus 2005-05-24 12:24PM | 0 recs
restive social conservatives
For a while now I have been hearing/reading the idea that the GOP exploits its suburban social conservative shock troops on election day and hardly throws them any scraps when it comes to policy. This is only partially true at best, but there are a lot on the right who believe it. They claim republicans arent really serious about gay marriage ban amendment and say Reagan and others talk about right to life but don't act on it. It makes me think, now that they have a solid hold on power and don't have the dems to scapegoat anymore when the social conservatives complain, what are they going to do? They have to deliver for their base, but I am sure they know most people aren't right wing lunatics and if you tip the purple states toward blue it gets tough. Of course the democratic party also has its fault lines, but I think we have the better position because we are not so indebted to a group so far outside of the American mainstream.
by dre2k5 2005-05-24 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: restive social conservatives
I don't believe those who control the Republican party are really serious about gay marriage amendment or overturning Roe or any of the social issues. All they care about is money and/or the military-industrial complex.

However, as the Republicans continue to lose more of the old, northeastern, affluent, WASP base, they have to rely more on the suburban social conservative shock troops. As a consequence, they are losing control of the party.

In other words, it's a sad day when William F. Buckley starts to sound more reasonable than a large majority of the Republican Party.

by wayward 2005-05-24 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: restive social conservatives
Agree.  The problem is the rural-suburban shock troops are more numerous than the affulent WASPs.  The numbers are on their side in many ways.  
by Eric11 2005-05-24 06:39PM | 0 recs
What do the "14" want?
I haven't had time to think about this, but I am equally interested in knowing whether or these fourteen senators will form a permanent bloc within the Senate (or at least be identified as a bloc whose votes must be courted).  They could be quite powerful: given the Democrats need to restrain the right, this group of fourteen senators will be able to determine what the middle ground means.  
by NDR 2005-05-24 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: What do the "14" want?
Yeah, they could easily function as an effective third party, serving the basic purpose that the Free Democrats used to in Germany before the rise of the Greens complicated things.
by Valatan 2005-05-24 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: What do the "14" want?
Interesting comparisson.  Actually, the CDU has courted the Greens in some local contexts within the last year, particularly in places where the weakening of the SPD has given rise to either the NPD or PDS.
by NDR 2005-05-24 01:36PM | 0 recs
Maybe they'll form a 3rd Party
Just once I'd like to see a sustained effort to build a third party on centrists principles.

The reason 3rd parties fail is that they form at the fringe.

I think eventually, a centrist 3rd party is coming.  Why?

The current paragidm in the GOP begs for it to happen.  Either the wingers break off, and the GOP tacks toward the center, or the wingers win out and the centrists break off.

If the current Senate fight is any indicator, option two seems to be the current favorite.

Personally, I'd love to see it happen.

by jcjcjc 2005-05-24 01:51PM | 0 recs
It's just easier to oppose things
Especially given the way Congressional business is done.

Since the minority is expected to tack on amendments, rather than write whole drafts of legislation, it is much easier for us to fight against what they're trying to do.

Also, defeat is less demoralizing to us.  Worse comes to worst, our rhetoric turns toward "they rammed it through Congress" with their majority.

On the other hand, when we break their coalition and get our way, it's nothing but cheers and congrats.

Plus, I suspect the public will be more receptive to our opposition than theirs was.  Why?  Because we're built for this fight, with a long tradition of grassroots organizing.

On the other hand, the GOP opposition was built on whining and martyrdom.  The truth is that the GOP took power in 1994 largely because the public became bored with the Democrats.  That boredom, coupled with scandals and a failed pro-socialist program during Clinton's first years, brought the public out against the Dems.

Now, we're in the ideal position.

Since the GOP majority today has a limited program anyhow (cut taxes . . . then something . . . maybe a war . . . then . . . um . . . oh, what do the Jesus Zombies want?) it's going to be harder for them to sustain a list of accomplishmnets that keeps them in power.

On the other hand, Dems will always get to look back and say, "Look at the New Deal, civil rights, etc."  Hell, we even get to claim the biggest tax cut in history!

Since much of the GOP base is anti-government, it's very hard for the GOP to answer the great "What have you done lately?" question.

The GOP is just not built for sustaining power.

by jcjcjc 2005-05-24 01:48PM | 0 recs
Does anyone else
see a huge fight developing in states like Ohio where you will now see the moderate wing of the Republican Party facing off against the socially conservative wing in state wide elections.  

I was watching CSPAN today and a caller from Ohio called in and was absolutely livid that DeWine took part in the compromise.  He basically called DeWine a traitor.  He also mentioned that DeWine will now have to face the angry voters of Ohio, and that a once easy re-election campaign just got real difficult. I've also heard about Blackwell (Sec. of State in Ohio) wanting to use "Patriot Pastors" in his effort to win the gubenatorial race.  

I think scenarios like this will begin playing out all over the country, for both instate races and national races.  Basically its Bleeding Kansas on a national scale.  

In a state like Ohio, where the electorate is not as conservative as Kansas, the Dems can really take advantage.  It will be an interesting thing to see and something to watch out for.  

by Eric11 2005-05-24 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Does anyone else
Frankly, I hope and pray that the Dems dump the traitorus 7 bastards that screwed us ESPECIALLY LIEberman in 2006.
by Parker 2005-05-24 03:09PM | 0 recs
But for what
So the Republicans can pick up more seats in the Senate.  This is what I don't understand about posts like this and posters like yourself.  

So we should dump Landrieu (sp) and allow two Republican senators in LA after not having a single one since Reconstruction.  We should dump Pryor too?  Leiberman I'll give you. But to call Democrats traitors who are in very precarious positons in deep Red states, and as a result must pick their fights carefully, is just plain stupid.  

by Eric11 2005-05-24 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: But for what
No we should dump Democrats whp refuse to vote with Democrats... what's the problem?

You are the one creaming about partisan ship... these traitors are the least partisan of all... perhaps the should leave the back of the bus... because they are doing us no favors in Congress.

by Parker 2005-05-24 09:28PM | 0 recs
Some Evidence Business Isn't Happy With Bush
Here's some evidence that corporate America may not be very happy with at least the Bush Administration's unilateral and muscular foreign policy.  For one thing, the Bush approach has alienated foreign citizens not only against American government policy but also it has tarnished American brands overseas. That tends to hurt American companies trying to sell their products overseas. You can read about it here:

http://www.thunderbird.edu/wwwfiles/publications/magazine/spring05/s05-brand-pg18.asp

If anything, this article is understated.  The school that published the article tries to stay tight with American business and with the government.  So, it's not going to be polemical in highlighting problems that impact Republicans.

by Mushinronsha 2005-05-24 03:20PM | 0 recs
geez.. Frist is already breaking the deal

BREAKING: Ignoring Deal, Frist to File for Cloture on Myers

In the deal struck yesterday evening, negotiators agreed that two judicial nominees - William G. Myers and Henry Saad - "will be filibustered or withdrawn."

Last night, Frist indicated he would abide by the agreement:

    Mr. President, a lot has been said about the uniqueness of this body. And, indeed, our Senate is unique. And we all, as individuals and collectively as a body, have a role to play in ensuring its cherished nature remains intact.

    And, indeed, as demonstrated by tonight's agreement and by the ultimate implementation of that agreement, we have done just that.

But Congress Daily PM reports that Frist has other ideas for later in the week:

    Senate Majority Leader Frist will file for cloture on President Bush's nomination of William Myers to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals later this week, according to sources on and off Capitol Hill, wasting no time in testing the resolve of 14 Republican and Democratic senators who forced at least a temporary halt to the battle over Democratic filibusters of President Bush's judicial picks.

That didn't take long.

by Parker 2005-05-24 03:25PM | 0 recs
What Frist said
in the floor statement that ThinkProgress is quoting:

"I have had the opportunity to review the agreement signed by the Senator from Virginia, the Senator from Arizona, the Senator from Nebraska, and eleven other Senators -- an agreement that I've reviewed but to which I am not a party." { . . . }

"It is a shame that well-qualified nominees identified by those twelve members are threatened still with not having the opportunity to have the merits of their nominations debated on the floor." { . . . }

"So I will continue to work with everything in my power to see that these judicial nominees also receive that fair, up or down vote that they deserve. But it is not in this agreement."

That doesn't read like an indication he'd abide by the agreement to me -- quite the opposite. Frist was just spinning to try and sound reasonable, and to put forward the idea "that the signers give up using the filibuster as it was deployed in the last Congress, in the last two years."

by catastrophile 2005-05-24 04:12PM | 0 recs

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