The Importance of Being Arizona, Florida and Texas

According to a recent paper by William H. Frey of the Brookings Institution, three states, Arizona, Florida and Texas, will be the overwhelming beneficiaries of Electoral College and congressional redistricting over the next twenty-five years. According to this paper, Arizona will gain five seats / votes, Florida will gain nine seats / votes, and Texas will gain eight seats / votes. No other state will even gain three seats. In fact, these three states will take home two-thirds of the thirty-three seats that all states with rising populations will receive.

My electoral breakdown, based on the partisan index, would shift in favor of Republicans. Currently, the Republican base stands at 189 electoral votes, the Democratic base weighs in at 183 electoral votes, and swing states total 166 electoral votes. If somehow nothing changes in twenty-five years except for the Electoral College, that total would be a Dem base of 172, a Republican base of 198, and swing states worth 168.

What does this mean? It means that the Arizona, Florida and Texas Democratic parties need to get on their horses. It also means that this is twenty-five years from now, we can never be sure what states will be safe and what states won't be safe. Just look at the partisan index from 1980 for a lesson in how much things can change. Still, if those three states are the highest growth areas, they need to be tagged for special attention now.

Tags: Demographics (all tags)

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Racial balances
Those states (and others) will become less Republican when they become more Hispanic.

I saw, and wish I saved, a study, based on racial data from the census and projections thereof, stating that the Democrats would have safe majorities in most/all states in fifty years (assuming the way that various races vote doesn't change, which won't happen).  The only state that was trending the Republicans' way was Hawaii, due to increased numbers of Asians (who tend to vote Republican; similiar to whites).

Of course, this is in the long term; but what you are referring to is medium to long term, too.

by Geotpf 2005-05-16 08:04AM | 0 recs
not neccessarily
let's please not take for granted the assumption that hispanics will swing to the dems.  the GOP in texas has been very successful at luring hispanic voters.

for ex, gwb won a majority of hispanic voters during his guv races.  rove aggressively targetted them and appealed to their conservative instincts (hispanic voters in texas have conservative social beliefs), using gay marriage and abortion as wedges between the dems and the hispanic population. plus gwb went and spoke some broken spanish at many hispanic events - speaking their language seems to help sway them as well.

we need, as afs mentioned above, to continue to aggressively target hispanics. we have to show them that we care about their problems - immigration and naturalisation, health care, and education - while respecting that many of them don't agree with us on social issues.

by annatopia 2005-05-16 09:30AM | 0 recs
That's why education for hispanic areas crucial
I want to note that you are pointing out Hispanic victims of the Bush education "miracle" in Texas. In areas where the educational system is better, there is also less widespead movement of Hispanics to evangelical Christian churches, which is the key demographic of Hispanic Republican support.

Where the educational system is better, fundamental Christian church growth is slower and involves a smaller overall subset of the population.

The key weapon in fighting the theo-cons is education... that's why the GOP slashes education budgets anywhere it can get away with it.

by afs 2005-05-16 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: That's why education for hispanic areas crucia
Which is another part of the positive feedback loop between the GOP and conservative evangelical Churches that Barbara Ehrenreich writes about in her article "The Faith Factor"

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041129&s=ehrenreich

Republicans cut social programs.
This causes more people to need social services.
Evangelical Churches fill the gap.
Their conservative outlook makes more Republican voters, who elect Republicans who cut social programs.

by wayward 2005-05-16 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: That's why education for hispanic areas crucia

Most of this action is catholic, I understand.
by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-17 07:07AM | 0 recs
Attention to Hispanic community will fix problems
We started paying special attention to the Hispanic community in the 2004 election. We need to further increase our outreach to Hispanic community.

One thing we have to pay special attention to is the rates of increase of Hispanic evangelical Christians and Mormans. When Hispanics convert to these faiths,  We lose them. The way we deal with this issue is target increased funding to education in Hispanic areas. This neds to be a priority. Provided we get back in power, this should be no problem.

by afs 2005-05-16 08:09AM | 0 recs
Solid progressive opportunity
What does this mean?

Not to be too harsh but I think Chris's short-term approach represents a typical Democratic knee-jerk reaction: Treating the symptons rather than addressing the disease. If anything, this development absolutely screams for election reform.

The Sierra Club recently unveiled a long-term ten step program that not only addresses these concerns but moves our election process forward in a manner than will insure a more representative government for all Americans. A comprehensive list of its provisions include:  

1] HAVE NONPARTISAN OFFICIALS ADMINISTER ELECTIONS.
2] ESTABLISH NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR FAIR ELECTIONS.
3] DEVELOP "PUBLIC INTEREST" VOTING EQUIPMENT.
4] REGISTER EVERY CITIZEN.
5] MAKE VOTING EASIER.
6] GIVE THIRD PARTIES A CHANCE. (i.e., instant run-off elections).
7] RETHINK REDISTRICTING.
8] ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
9] MAKE VOTING A RIGHT.
10] MINIMIZE MONEY'S ROLE.

Utilizing Chris's original premise, this could be sold in states like Montana, Iowa, Maine and Kentucky, states whose relative power will be threatened by future migration patterns. While there's something in here for everybody, the key is to utilize this opportunity to push through the entire program in order to maximize future returns and permanently diminish the current theocon stranglehold on our federal government.  

by Seldom Seen Smith 2005-05-16 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Solid progressive opportunity
Smith, I like your style. This post,
in a nutshell, gives you all the ammo
you need.

Geez. No wonder I get more stuff done
through moveon. Guys like you.

Good work!!

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 10:38AM | 0 recs
Not to be too harsh...
But this list is a "pie-in-the-sky" agenda that must be tackled LEGISLATIVELY, and this isn't going to happen quickly.  The Democratic Party is not a legislative branch of government, and they aren't in control of any branch of governmet at the national level... and while we can all dream about a future utopia wherein all 10 of these legislative goals have been realized, this ain't gonna happen in the next 25 years.  Therefore, it is imperitave for Democrats to notice these trends and act on them accordingly.  I find it amusing that someone would consider planning 25 years in advance a "knee-jerk response".  
by NCDem 2005-05-16 12:17PM | 0 recs
So...
Take your Green-Party Preachy Propaganda back to your utopia-world...  and we Democrats will try to figure out how to get out of the real-world mess we currently find ourselves in...
by NCDem 2005-05-16 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: So...
I disagree.

-=-

California already implemented two
of those items above, I figure two
more can be implemented in less than
3 months and whats more, they'll give
ya bragging rights.

Now, the unions are in an unholy mess
so if thats how you see yourself,
then I pity you. I think their dying
cough sounds something like this..

"cafta" "cafta" ..

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: So...
Accounting:

1] HAVE NONPARTISAN OFFICIALS ADMINISTER ELECTIONS.

- idealistic.

2] ESTABLISH NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR FAIR ELECTIONS.
- good plank for the party esp. in light
  of diebold controversies.

3] DEVELOP "PUBLIC INTEREST" VOTING EQUIPMENT.
- on its way

4] REGISTER EVERY CITIZEN.
- national id card referendum, getting there.

5] MAKE VOTING EASIER.
- done deal. thanks diebold.

6] GIVE THIRD PARTIES A CHANCE. (i.e., instant run-off elections).
7] RETHINK REDISTRICTING.
- a Perennial topic.

8] ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
- takes about 10 years

9] MAKE VOTING A RIGHT.
- it is.

10] MINIMIZE MONEY'S ROLE.
- welcome to the blogosphere, where a 10 million
  dollar ad campaign comes apart in 10 minutes.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 01:11PM | 0 recs
I disagree as well.
Take your Green-Party Preachy Propaganda back to your utopia-world...

For better or worse, the Repugs got to where they are at today, in control of all three branches of government, by beginning the process of hammering away on the core issues of their present agenda three decades ago. The Democratic party will never return to its glory days as long as the party pragmatists continue to push ideologues away from the party. Quite the contrary, as long as the party is controlled by those such as yourself who view the core values and principles espoused by the Green party to be utopian propoganda, the patient is terminal.

we Democrats will try to figure out how to get out of the real-world mess we currently find ourselves in...

In the first place, Democrats bear a portion of the burden for our real-world mess. Had they been working on rebuilding the internal Democratic party structure instead of chasing after the same corporate donors that fund the Repug dog and pony show for the past three decades, we might not be in the straits we currently find ourselves in today.

Simply stated, putting some more duct tape and bailing wire on the old girl and hoping she'll fire up again after the Repug tent collapses won't be enough: The problems confronting us are too serious. By both Green and Democratic standards, our current electoral system stiffles the very political innovation that will be required to successfully create a platform from which any progressive agenda may be launched; consequently, it's imperative that this system be revamped in order to facilitate the dynamic changes that will be required to get ourselves out of our real-world mess.

You can keep swimming against the tide if you so desire. My plan is to build a boat that will crash the waves. Not until the boat itself is designed, the material hewn and the hull finished will any captain or crew be found that may lead us to calmer waters.

 

by Seldom Seen Smith 2005-05-16 04:36PM | 0 recs
Where do they come from?
This is an important factor for two reasons.  First, if population moves, for example, from a "safe" blue state like New York, to Florida, New York will lose a disproportionate number of congressmen and electoral votes.  Secondly, transplanted Democrats may help to swing these states into the blue column while transplanted Republicans will tend to keeep them red states.

A good example of this was the American midwest during the 19th century.  The northern parts of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois were settled from New England and New York.  They were, by mid-century, "red-hot" abolitionists/Republicans.  The southern parts of those states were settled by the same peoplewho settled the other bank of the Ohio River.  They were Whigs and, eventually, Constitutional Unionists (Bell( and National Democrats (Douglas) in 1860.

More recently, as city folks (Democrats) spread into the nearer suburbs, they are turning Democratic.  I've noticed that in my neighborhood, the "old-timers" are solidly Republican but newer residents tend to trend Democratic.

Thus if Arizona, for example is "settled" by exurban Californians, it will remain Republican.  If more coastal Californians make the move, it will become a Democratic bastion.

by David Kowalski 2005-05-16 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Where do they come from?
That's the problem about Arizona.  The Hispanic population is exploding but so is the white population, and a disproporionate number of them are from California.  In fact, some real estate people told me that 25% of new transplants to the Phoenix area from CA.  The majority of them are exurban or people escaping liberal CA.  These are not necessarily Democrats moving to AZ at all.  Scottsdale is nothing but transplants and it is very white and conservative.
by Eric11 2005-05-16 10:13AM | 0 recs
sounds familiar
texas had a similar influx of conservative californians into our state in the 90s.  that's a big part of why we are in such a sorry state at the moment.
by annatopia 2005-05-17 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Where do they come from?
Cost of living in California is also a factor
by v2aggie2 2005-05-18 08:21PM | 0 recs
First point: we have no idea what will happen in
the next 25 years--personally, I think we are well positioned for the future.  I just can't the culture wars lasting another twenty-five years--particularly with a shrinking white population percentage.  Which leads to my second point:  as noted above, its all about the hispanic vote.  I assume that the demographic shifts in those states could result primarily from the growing hispanic population.  

The democrats must, repeat must present an ambitious social safety net agenda for the working class which would trump any cultural issues the Republicans might try to leverage.

by descrates 2005-05-16 08:35AM | 0 recs
Chris is right
Dead on. The flow of people to these states is
something just short of a flood.

At one point, 10,000 people per +day+ were moving
into florida. I kid you not.

This trend will continue for the next few
years or so until global warming kicks
in, or florida is blown away by
a hurrican and everyone moves to a suburb
of Atlanta.

>:)

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 08:40AM | 0 recs
bravo
This is the kind of planning and foresight that the republicans began 25 years ago.

All politics is local and it is time for the Democratic Party to think ahead in a local fashion.

But remember some of those population gains are probably due to baby boomers retiring to warm climates.

by aiko 2005-05-16 10:05AM | 0 recs
Florida Redistricting Initiative is Crucial
With the Florida legislature in Republican hands, the additional congressional seats in FL are more likely to be Republican than Democratic - so the Castor/Graham et. al. proposal to make Florida legislative and congressional districting non-partisan is incredibly important. Win that fight, and we've won a serious battle in the long-term struggle against the Republican legislative majorities in FL and nationally.
by redsoxkangaroo 2005-05-16 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida Redistricting Initiative is Crucial
sox is right. florida swings. they'll
try to gerrymander the new districts
into GOP territory

if we get lucky, the statistics will
arrive hand delivered by the Dir. of the
CIA (porter goss, a floridian) and
John Bolton will yell at him to change
the numbers.. >:)

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 10:37AM | 0 recs
Link to the initiative.
Florida Non-Partisan Redistricting Initiative.

If you are a Florida voter or know a Florida voter, print these out and sign them or give them to your friend to sign.

by Drew 2005-05-16 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida Redistricting Initiative is Crucial
Not only is this important in Florida, but also for other fast growing...and battlegroundn/lean r states.  

Here in Florida, independent redistricting could mean a positive of 3-6 seats over the next 6-8 years, and we know what it means in Texas.  

I believe that redistricting may be the most important long term planning strategt for progressives.

by thelastdem 2005-05-16 04:34PM | 0 recs
Karl Rove
is very aware of this demographic fact and that is part of the reason why he is so fixated on touting "traditional" southern values.  He knows if he locks up Florida and Texas for the foreseeable future (I should say he has locked up Texas)it is becomes very difficult for the Dems to reach 270.  
by Eric11 2005-05-16 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Karl Rove
Son. Let me tell you something.
Pay attention..

Nobody has locked up Texas.

Not ever.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Karl Rove
Honestly do you see us winning Texas in the next 3 Presidential election cycles.  Be honest.  We've won the state once since 1972.  I'm not happy about it, but it is going to be extremely difficult...son.
by Eric11 2005-05-16 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Karl Rove
Two words:

Big Sky

think about it.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 01:11PM | 0 recs
dude, you are dreaming
nothing personal, but you can write off texas's electoral votes for at least the next 8 years.

we are working on fixing that, but it's hard and it's  going to take a lot of time and effort.  we are literally rebuilding from the ground up here.

by annatopia 2005-05-17 08:46AM | 0 recs
Alaska is a Sun-Belt State?
I guess "Sun" isn't really part of the "Sun-belt."  

"First, the nation's ongoing population shift from its Northeast and Midwest "Snow Belt" regions to its South and West "Sun Belt" will continue at a torrid pace."

So we're talking less about acutal regions and more about some broader political ideology? But if that's the case, then what do all these projected statistics really mean?  If Sun-Belt and Snow-Belt aren  are politcal terms and not actual regions or areas of similar lattitude, then a study of population migration and age is being mixed-up - it's seems like we're looking at how people with democratic leanings are moving to places with Republican leanings.  I would think that means Texas and Florida and Arizona will be turing Bright Blue.

It would be way more usefull if this analysis showed the population migration into and out of cities and rural aras (at least in  way these areas represent differeing politcal needs...so therefore differeing politcal leanings.)

But I suppose in the end, it's all about the Purple states anyway.  Now the cool thing would be to end the Winner take all system.  

by David in Burbank 2005-05-16 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Alaska is a Sun-Belt State?
Not really an ideology as much as maybe just
clean air, and space, and a sort of lifestyle
that takes you away from synthesis.

Kind of like downtown LA saw everyone
head out to malibu..

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-05-16 10:33AM | 0 recs
The Importance of Being Connecticutt and Maine
Base closings in Groton and Portsmouth are basically a stick in the eye to Republican Moderates. People warn Democrats not to write off the South, good advice. But the people in charge of the Republican party are pretty writing off every state from Pennsylvania north-east to Maine. They may not like Spector, Chaffe, Snowe and Collins but they are going to hate what takes their place.

They can depopulate the North to some degree but the Senators stay behind.

The historic realignment of the parties is pretty much complete and in the process we had some Senate setbacks, but you know we also lost all the Lester Maddox types. If you are an intolerant, under-educated, white-power all around asshole the chances are excellent that you are a Republican. That wasn't true when I was a kid. And a lot of people North and South, particularly North are going to see that and head for the exits of the Republican Party.

We don't know what the long-range impact of the Triple Debacle of Delay, Iraq and Social Security will have on the 2006 mid-terms. Personally I believe the chance of framing the debate in a positive way for Democrats is excellent. Despite all the distractions thrown up by Tweety, Bo Bo and Howie Putz, the facts still ultimately get out.

by Bruce Webb 2005-05-16 12:07PM | 0 recs
One
thing good about this population shift is that the western Democratic parties are really booming. I know everyone has heard about this, so I won't give a history lesson, but I think it means that things are starting to look up for us. Two things to keep in mind when considering ways to woo Hispanic voters, though:

  1. Most are not pro-illegal immigration. I have yet to meet one who wants more open borders. Some right-wing Bill O'Reilly strategy for policing the border would be all wrong, but we would pick up votes across the board if we just stood up for increased funding for border-patrol.

  2. Most Latin American countries have bans on abortion. Granted, most of the people who come here are probably more liberal, but, because they don't have strong roots in an area, they tend to go to church a lot (if only to see other people from their country, area, etc.), so we had better nominate people who are at least moderate on social issues if we want to win their votes.
by PantslessYoda1 2005-05-16 03:48PM | 0 recs
If energy prices rise as they have
you can forget that sucker.  Arizona will empty first, followed by Florida and Texas.  Those places are only habitable in the summer with A/C.
by Eli Rabett 2005-05-16 08:22PM | 0 recs
You are mixing apples and oranges
Or, more specifically, natural gas and coal and hydroelectric and nuclear, and gasoline and oil.  If "peak oil" happens, there will be expensive gasoline, but electricity will not be significantly affected, at least not directly.
by Geotpf 2005-05-17 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: You are mixing apples and oranges
If somebody doesn't figure out what to do about the water situation around the Colorado River, there's going to be a serious lack of hydroelectric power, not to mention liquid sustinance for Arizona, California, and Nevada.

Growth is outstripping the area's resources in a big way, and there's a massive brick wall ahead, no matter what the demographics are.  I'd like to believe folks will learn to start conserving, but I doubt it.

by Flynnieous 2005-05-17 10:03AM | 0 recs
Demographics Derby
I think Chris's ultimate point is correct: we have to maintain a strong presence in those states where there will be population (and hence) electoral growth.

I do not agree with Frey however that Arizona, Texas, and Florida will be those states. Each of those states is seeing internal migration from one state to another, complimented by new immigrants to America flowing there to do lots of low skilled labor positions. Now, the reason for this in the case of Arizona or Florida is that much of the internal migration there is old people. By 2030, lots of these old people are going to be dead.

The better question is what are the migration trends for the younger generations of America. I'll pick 3 states I think which are crucial: Colorado, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.

Colorado promises to see growth for various reasons. It has a diverse economy and enough water to support more growth. It's clean, and "new".

Wisconsin probably looks like an abberation: but it's fairly close to Chicago while maintaining a diverse job base as well as not compromising itself full of huge cities. Many younger people only know sprawl, gridlock, and appreciate smaller cities where it takes less than 20 mins to drive somewhere.

And then there's North Carolina. Also disparate in population centers there's a mix of coastal and upcountry geography as well as wide range of employment and a softer climate than states higher up the I-95.

But I know, people are saying even if the population stayed constant aren't Texas and Florida huge in terms of electoral presence? Well I humbly submit Florida may yet see a decline in population for coastal regions outside the hurricane belt in Mississippi, South Carolina, and Georgia. And Texas is likely to become much more Democratic: the part of the state growing most furiously it's most liberal: the area near San Antonio and Austin.

While it's true Colorado and Wisconsin's population pale to Texas or Florida currently...they are very close to Arizona in size. Add in torrid growth in North Carolina and the map looks a tad different.

by risenmessiah 2005-05-18 11:41PM | 0 recs

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