Congressional Loyalty Scorecards

Ever feel baffled by congressional voting record scorecards form issue organizations? I know I do. Not only are there so many of them, thus making it difficult to develop a composite of any Congressional voting record, but very few of these scorecards offer clear explanations of their methodology. Further, many seem to never separate the wheat from the chaff, as though a resolution honoring the Boy Scouts is somehow of equal importance to the Bankruptcy Bill.

To remedy this situation, I spent all day developing and compiling a simplified scorecard for all members of the House of Representatives. The basic goal is to measure party loyalty on important votes. Here are the criteria I used:

  • Only the first session of the 109th Congress (the current session) was used.

  • The vote must be on the final passage of an actual piece of legislation. Thus, these scores do not include amendments, rules packages for the chamber, sense of the chamber resolutions, or useless things like "honoring the contribution of Catholic schools."

  • The majority of Democrats who voted must vote different from the majority of Republicans who voted. Thus, only votes that separated the two parties are included.
The point of these criteria is to determine when Democrats and Republicans have crossed party lines on important votes. It is, in essence, a means to measure of party loyalty of each individual member, and of each caucus as a whole. The results were revealing, and deserve further study. I present a summary of what I found here, and over the coming days I hope to present a more detailed picture of current Congressional voting patterns.
So far in the 109th Congress, of the 132 roll call votes in the House of Representatives, there have been eight votes that meet these criteria I described above. These eight piece of legislation, all of which passed the House, were the Real ID Act, the Class Action Fairness Act, the Job Training Improvement Act, the Congressional Budget for Fiscal Year 2006, the Schiavo legislation, the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act, the Bankruptcy Abuse and Consumer Protection Act, and the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

In all eight cases, the majority of Republicans who voted were in favor of the legislation, and the majority of Democrats who voted were opposed to the legislation. So, if anyone ever asks you how Democrats and Republicans are different, these are the eight ways that they were different from one another during the first one-hundred and nine days of the 109th Congress in the House of Representatives. If you ask me, these amount to major, major differences, enough to make Democrats an extremely attractive choice over Republicans even without any other issues being mentioned.

Caucus Loyalty: Republicans Tow the Party Line Far More Often
Overall, there were 55 total Republican votes against these eight pieces of legislation, out of a possible total of 1856 dissenting votes (8 votes multiplied by 232 House Republicans). Thus, the total dissent among the House Republican caucus was 3.0%. By contrast, there were 299 Democratic votes in favor of these eight pieces of legislation, out of a possible total of 1624 (8 votes multiplied by 202 Democrats and one independent). Thus, the total dissent among the House Democratic caucus was 18.4%. I don't think there can be any doubt that current Democratic loyalty is inadequate.

Individual Loyalty
If a member is not listed by name, they were either one of the 94 who opposed every aspect of the Republican agenda, or one of the 189(!) who supported every aspect of it. As you will see, Republicans are not exactly the free thinkers they claim to be:

  • Opposed Eight Bills: 94 (93 Democrats and one Independent). These are the true blues. I will provide a list of these ninety-four tomorrow.

  • Opposed Seven Bills: 35 all Democrats. They are Abercrombie, Andrews, Berkley, Clay, Cleaver, Crowley, Cummings, DeFazio, Doyle, Emmanuel, Engel, Farr, Fattah, Filner, G. Green, Hoyer, J. Jackson Jr., Kildee, Langevin, Larson (CA), Lynch, Menendez, Oberstar, Pastor, Price (NC), Rahall, Rush, Rothman, L. Sanchez, Schwartz, Serrano, Spratt, Smith (WA), Stupack, Thompson and Visclosky. One dissenting vote is not a big deal, and no repercussions are necessary. For many of the African-American members listed here, the lone dissent was on the Schiavo legislation.

  • Opposed Six Bills: 19, all Democrats. They are Brady, Butterfield, Ethridge, Harman, Israel, Jackson-Lee, Kind, McCarthy, McNulty, Meek (FL), Moore (KS), Moran (VA), Ortiz, Ryan (OH), Snyder, Strickland, Tauscher, Towns and Wu. Two dissenting votes out of eight are a little worrisome. Had Kerry become President, these would have been the people needed to sustain any veto he might have made.

  • Opposed Five Bills: 24, all Democrats. They are Baca, Baird, Barrow, Boswell, Boyd, Cardoza, Case, Cooper, Davis (FL), Gonzales, Gordon, Al Green, Higgins, Hooley, Jefferson, Kanjorski, Larsen (WA), Meeks, Michaud, Mollohan, Murtha, Rahall, Reyes, Ruppersberger and Salazar. This is not good. While all of these Democrats voted better than every single Republican, and thus deserve our support, this level of dissent is problematic, and should carry with it repercussions in terms of committee seats and appropriations.

  • Opposed Four Bills: 12, eleven Democrats, one Republican. While some may argue that even the best Republican is worse than the worst Democrat, this is the point where we might start seeing a few exceptions to that rule. The one Republican who actually opposed the Republican agenda half of the time was Ron Paul of Texas, the former Libertarian Presidential candidate. The eleven Democrats who supported the Republican agenda literally half of the time were: Costa, Davis (AL), Herseth, Hinjosa, Lipinski, Marshall, McIntyre, Pomeroy, Tanner, Taylor (MS), Thompson and Wynn. The voting habits of these eleven Democrats are very worrying. If any of these are also in the fainthearted faction might even deserve a primary challenger in addition to other repercussions. Is that too harsh?

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  • Opposed Three Bills: 13, eleven Democrats, and two Republicans. The two Republicans are Shays and Smith (NJ). I'm surprised the Club for Growth hasn't launched a primary challenge against those tow (maybe they have). The eleven Democrats are Bean, Berry, Bishop (GA), Boucher, Chandler, Costello, Ford, Gordon, Holden, Ross and Skelton. WTF is going on here? These are Democrats who for the past few months actually are voting worse than at least one Republican. What should be done about this?

  • Opposed Two Bills: 15, eight Democrats and seven Republicans. We are to believe that the political middle is opposing only one-quarter of Bush's agenda? I do not accept that. The seven Republicans are Castle, Flake, Gerlach, Hostettler, Jones (NC), Leach and Wamp. I suppose Vernon Jones is the great voice of moderation within the Republican Party now. The eight Democrats are Boren, Cuellar, Davis (TN), Edwards, Matheson, Melancon, Peterson (MN) and Scott (GA). These are unacceptable voting patterns. With the exception of Peterson, who opposed the budget and didn't vote on Schiavo, they all opposed the budget (every Democrat opposed the budget) and the job training bill. That means they support all of the following: the Real ID Act, the Class Action Bill, the repeal of the estate tax, the bankruptcy bill, the Schiavo legislation (except maybe Peterson), and the energy bill. Rather than what to do about them, I would actually rather hear reasons to support these eight members at all, if you can think of any. I actually believe that there are some Republicans who are better than these eight Democrats.

  • Opposed One Bill: 34, one Democrat and 33 Republicans. The Democrat who supported all of these pieces of legislation with the exception of the budget is Bud Cramer from Alabama. He actually is voting worse than Vernon Jones. Perhaps we should start laying bets on how long it will be before he switches parties. The thirty-three Republicans are Bartlett (MD), Boehlert, Bradley (NH), Brown-Waite, Dent, the two Diaz-Balarts, Doolittle, Duncan, Ehlers, Emerson, Fitzpatrick (PA), Gilchrest, Goode, Green (WI), Gutknecht, Hensarling, Inglis (SC), Johnson (CT), Johnson (IL), Kirk, LoBiondo, Pombo, Reichert, Ros-Lehtinen, Royce, Saxton, Schwarz (MI), Sensenbrenner, Simmons, Tancredo, Wilson (NM) and Young (AK). Any claims about any of these Republicans being moderates are just lies.

  • Opposed Zero Bills: 189, all Republicans. That's right: over eighty percent of the Republicans in Congress never dissented, not once, from the important votes that divided the two parties. Republicans also have 222 Congressman, an absolute majority, who basically never dissent from the Republican agenda. Thus, pretty much any conservative wet dream can be expected to pass in the House.
That is it for now. As new pieces of legislation are voted on, I will update the rankings. Also, I will include Social Security in these rankings soon. Hopefully, I will eventually have enough time to go back through the previous Congress as well. Finally, I will be developing a scorecard of the Senate soon.

Tags: House 2006 (all tags)

Comments

46 Comments

Interesting..
and relevant.  I'd love to see an analysis like this exist on its own.  So long as it has an open and objective methodology it stands as primary research and not blog-standard fare.  It was your work on polling and the electoral college that originally brought me to this site, and I could see a similar page for this effort.

I know several people who dislike the partisanship in politics and it would be nice to have an objective view to point them to that helps illustrate the positions and differences of the two parties (as illustrated by the reality of what they vote for).

by PghArch 2005-04-22 01:33PM | 0 recs
curious
what were the four bills paul dissented on? the three for the ct duo?
by thurst 2005-04-22 01:55PM | 0 recs
I'm guessing...
...that two were Schiavo and the budget.  The other two probably had spending attached.  Remember, he believes in microscopic government, like a true Libertarian.  For example, he probably voted against the No Child Left Behind act because he opposes public funding of schools in general, which is vastly different than why we would oppose it.
by Geotpf 2005-04-22 03:41PM | 0 recs
My two nearby Dems and 1 Rep
are right about where I expect them. The Republicon, John Sweeney, is a Bushman all the way with no respect for the good of the people he suppossedly represents.

One Democrat, Maurice Hinchey, doesn't show up here at all, placing him amongst the True Blue.

The other Democrat, Mike McNulty, is very blue but also a bit on the conservative side. I know Schaivo was one of his misguided votes (sorry Mike, love you my friend but the Schaivo legislation was very misguided) but I'm curious which of the others he went the wrong way on and why.

by Andrew C White 2005-04-22 02:09PM | 0 recs
Democratic Losers Club
Is it any wonder people don't know what Democrats stand for?
by blogswarm 2005-04-22 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Losers Club
How many of the Democrats listed above are DLC?
by Fran for Dean 2005-04-22 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Losers Club
Cross-referencing those two lists might be really informative.
by Frontier PAC 2005-04-22 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Democratic Losers Club
Where is there a list of the DLC? I don't think NDOL is the same is it? Biden, Feinstein and Dodd are not NDOL. Exactly what is the difference between NDOL and DLC?
by Gary Boatwright 2005-04-22 08:52PM | 0 recs
Maybe a sign of continuing re-alignment?
Based on my rather limited knowledge of most of these people and only going by the state designators, is it possible that the Dems still need to shed some Dixiecrats?  While I think ultimately the Democratic agenda should always be able to garner a larger base than the Repubs (especially where they are currently), I do wonder if we still have some traction to lose due to realignment, a process that has been going on for the last 30-40 yrs.    

My first thought in reading this analysis was: "Hey, are you against free-thinking representatives?" but really, these days, the situation is so dire and the Repub position so extreme, there's very little to justify openness to it and voting support of it by Dems.

So I do think this analysis is very useful.

by cthulhu 2005-04-22 02:22PM | 0 recs
The problem is
We are behind in numbers, so if we lost these guys, we would be really fucked.
by Geotpf 2005-04-22 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The problem is
But if they aren't voting with us under such circumstances, is there any likelihood more pressure on them will make any difference?  And I suspect that their districts are more likley to elect a new Republican than a new, but more loyal, Democrat.  

But I share your fear of losing any more ground.

by cthulhu 2005-04-22 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: The problem is
You are absolutely right.  Most of these Dems come from rural and southern areas.  

In my opinion, there is truly only one vote that matters, the vote for Speaker.

As long as they vote for Pelosi, then when we have the majority, we will control the agenda.

Give me a majority that sometimes is a little dysfunctional rather than a minority any day of the week.

by thelastdem 2005-04-22 05:45PM | 0 recs
Job Training Improvement Act?
What is this bill? Is this the thing that turns a bunch of job training programs into block grants or vouchers?
by niq 2005-04-22 02:33PM | 0 recs
Wow.
Hey Chris, you really know how to have fun. ;-)

This is great stuff. Thanks for all the effort.

by michael in chicago 2005-04-22 02:50PM | 0 recs
interesting stuff Chris
It would be interesting to flip the coin though, and take a look at caucus discipline when it was the Dems introducing legislation, and the Reps opposing it, to see if the %'s swapped.

Clearly if the Dems want to distinguish themselves from the Reps, they have to stop voting like them.

18% is way too high, i agree. I believe that this analysis should be sent to Nancy Pelosi, and the Dem house whips, they are clearly not donig a good enough job, it saddens me to say.

It shuold also makes its way to the DNC and the DCCC, for when 2006 comes around. Clearly we can put our money in places where it has more effect. there is NO point supporting Dems that vote with Reps to a high degree, those seats might as well be Rep seats for all i care.

So anyone Dem who didnt oppose at least 5 times, should be on the shit list.

by Pounder 2005-04-22 02:55PM | 0 recs
Ron Paul, as you pointed out, is a RINO
Of course, that means he's actually a Libertarian, not a Democrat, but...

In any case, the Republicans know this, and early on, kept trying to run primary opponents against him, but he kept winning, so they eventually gave up.

by Geotpf 2005-04-22 03:36PM | 0 recs
Here's a similiar breakdown of the 108th congress
But it includes the bullshit stuff, so Ron Paul ends up being the most conservative house rep, for example.

http://www.voteview.com/hou108.htm

Here's the Senator ranking:

http://www.voteview.com/sen108.htm

by Geotpf 2005-04-22 03:47PM | 0 recs
Hmm
Interestingly, Cramer comes in second worst on this list (behind Hall of Texas-and Leach of Iowa, a Republican, comes between the two).

So maybe both ways are valid.

by Geotpf 2005-04-22 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's a similiar breakdown of the 108th congr
I would agree with the voteview breakdown as far as general conservativenesss and Chris breakdown on how people are performing this session on key issues. I don't think Paul is moderate. The fact that he may vote against his party on some Medicare isn't that he thinks the Medicare bill is bad law, it's because he doesn't think medicare should exist or anything of its like. Leave people up to their own devices, that is radically conservative, though it is a libertarian position. On Social issues he tends to trend hard right, I have no love for those members. The only moderate position he may end up holding in my opinion may have been the vote on the war.
by Kombiz Lavasany 2005-04-22 04:22PM | 0 recs
Well
You also have to take one thing into consideration. Not everyone can vote like Barbara Lee, Cynthia McKinney, or Maxine Waters. Some of these districts are GOP-leaning and conservative.

While judging by votes is fair, in computing your decision of whom to "purge", you should also factor in the partisan balance of the districts in question. Perhaps you should also somehow factor in what industries/groups are important within each member's districts.

But the way you are doing it, it seems like you are applying the Cynthia McKinney standard.

by jiacinto 2005-04-22 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Well
This is EXACTLY why the GOP allows guys like Shays to get away with voting against the party line on certain votes.  They know that a true conservative is NOT going to win his district.
by Tom 2005-04-24 07:17PM | 0 recs
Context
It would be interesting to see where some of these people voted when one or two votes would have made a difference.
If the rethuglicans have a clear majority they might allow some of the false flag d's to vote against them just to maintain their crediantials but when push comes to shove these faux D's know when to toe the line.
by Rational 2005-04-22 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Context
Good Idea!  I'd add this to my suggestion below,
by JimPortlandOR 2005-04-22 05:46PM | 0 recs
A ranked table of Dems
oh, please, oh please.

Bills on horizontal axis
Dems on vertical axis
within the cells for each bill, a D or R (or x only if supported Dem. position)

Rank the Dems from most supportive to least supportive.

Then we can find replacements for the 20% of the Dem caucus that are DINOs.

by JimPortlandOR 2005-04-22 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: A ranked table of Dems
And THANK YOU, CHRIS!

I don't know what we'd do without your analysis, which again and again casts light in dark corners.

by JimPortlandOR 2005-04-22 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: A ranked table of Dems
Well the model also needs to take into account the partisan balance of the districts.
by jiacinto 2005-04-22 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: A ranked table of Dems
Absolutely.  If we are blind to the political realities of districts, we might end up with 160 members that are with us 100% of the time---but on the wrong end of a 275-160 House.

As I said earlier, give me 218 votes for Speaker--even if some Dems split off from time to time, and I will be happy.  I am sure if you asked Pelosi, she'd take that offer too.

by thelastdem 2005-04-22 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: A ranked table of Dems
In some cases, at least, your replacements will be Republicans
by v2aggie2 2005-04-24 10:26AM | 0 recs
Only one reason to support Colin Peterson....
...And that's without him, his district would undoubtedly be in GOP hands.  The 7th runs along the west of the state, from just north of Pipestone to the Canadian border.  This is a very conservative district, and will go solidly for the GOP as soon as Peterson retires.  I'm willing to make that trade in 4-6 years, when Ramstad retires and the third opens up for the DFL, but not before.  Even if he's a DINO, he's a vote for Pelosi for Speaker, and I'll take it.
by Jeff Fecke 2005-04-22 06:23PM | 0 recs
why re-invent the wheel?
This was an issue that political scientists delt with decades ago.

We understood that issue group rating were not very reliable as they selected specific bills that were of interest to them.

The leading scholars in the area are Keith Poole and  Howard Rosenthal.....

They have developed a measure of voting that is standard in the discipline...

It is called DW-Nominate.

And it is located, for free....at this site:

http://voteview.com/dwnl.htm

Have fun.

by Nazgul35 2005-04-22 06:42PM | 0 recs
right conclusion?
Chris,
   While I think it is an interesting question to exame, your analysis does not include a critical fact. Republicans control the agenda. They get to pick what bills they will be bring up. So they will be picking bills that fit well with the demographics and dynamics of their party. If the dems controlled the agenda, we would propose bills that appealed to the majority of our party with special emphasis on bills that divide the Dems in bad ways.

A good bill to bring up is one that is good for you both politically and with your grassroots, while it forces the opposition party to pick between the politically advantageous vote and a grassroots friendly vote.

Political scientists who study the game theory of legislative bodies have shown why theoretical controlling the agenda is synomous with winning. I think this research provides a good example of that conclusion.

Does it mean Dems are disloyal, and the GOopers are loyal? I doubt it. I think it shows how controlling the agenda can turn the other party's grassroots against it. Granted, the grassroots should be fighting for a more responsive party ALL of the time, but I believe if we set the agenda, you would see the same level of disloyalty out of the GOP. We would divide them and put them between rocks and hard places too.

by srolle 2005-04-22 08:14PM | 0 recs
aeou...
one potentially confusing typo first paragraph... we would pick bills that would divide the *GOP in bad ways...
by srolle 2005-04-22 08:16PM | 0 recs
Breaking ranks
IIRC, party leaders do give members the latitude to break party lines when the legislation has enough votes to pass, in recognition of the politics of the member's district. That's why someone like Tim Holden scores so low in your system. He's in a GOP
center-right district, PA-17. I'm a liberal, but I'm
delighted Holden is in the PA Dem delegation and George Gekas is no longer in the GOP's.

We are big tent party and, IMO, we should stay that way.

by phillydem 2005-04-23 01:56AM | 0 recs
BOWERS!
100% OT... where's our playoff brackets, dude?  ply starts today...
by annatopia 2005-04-23 05:10AM | 0 recs
I can a understand someone voting socailly Con.
But Can someone please tell me how Democrats can vote consistantly for Conservative economic policy, repeal of the Estate Tax for instants and still call themself a Democrat.
by Painter2004 2005-04-23 09:19AM | 0 recs
"Republicans Tow the Party Line"
That's toe the line, not tow the line.  Think about it, it makes sense.  Tow doesn't.  Sorry, pet peeve.
by cos 2005-04-23 11:00AM | 0 recs
Compare to Other Scorecards
I've been working for the Democratic Freedom Caucus (http://www.democraticfreedomcaucus.org/) to help them develop a scorecard that would grade politicians on their votes on social and economic issues.  The DFC is a liberal-libertarian organization, so we tend to differ from the party on some economic issues, but I was reading some of the names on the list and I noticed parallels to my scorecard.  The entire scorecard isn't online in full, but you can check out some of the blog entries on it:

http://libertariansforamerica.blogs.com/index/2005/01/civil_libertari.html
http://libertariansforamerica.blogs.com/index/2005/02/economic_scorec.html
http://libertariansforamerica.blogs.com/index/2005/02/an_overview_of_.html

I created nine categories: Liberal, Civil Libertarian, Libertarian, Economist Populist, Moderate, Free Marketeer, Authoritarian, Social Traditionalist, and Conservative.

Only three Democrats were Authoritarian, and one of them (Dick Gephardt) was only because he missed so many votes.  Charles Stenholm and Robert Cramer were the two Authoritarian Democrats.  I find it interesting that Cramer is the worst Democrat, but the lack of Stenholm on the list indicates he must have been one of the most loyal Democrats.

by LoganFerree 2005-04-23 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Compare to Other Scorecards
I believe that Stenholm lost in 2004.
by v2aggie2 2005-04-23 10:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Compare to Other Scorecards
Whoops, missed that.  I thought this was for the last session of Congress, not the current one.  Thanks for pointing that out.
by LoganFerree 2005-04-24 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Compare to Other Scorecards
No problem.  Being in Texas, I'm all too aware of the Texas "Five" that Delay targeted through redistricting, of which Stenholm was one
by v2aggie2 2005-04-24 12:38PM | 0 recs
Poor Measures
Just for once I'd like to see the issue organizations measure the votes where it really MATTERS - the ones where the leadership calls in the chips and it's close.

I'm in Jim Leach's district and he's forever throwing moderate-leaning-liberal groups a vote - when it's 300 to 100 one way and it doesn't make a difference.  On some measures he has a better record than Leonard Boswell, Iowa's lone House Democrat.

But when the vote for Bush's budget was 218 - 214, Leach was with DeLay and the gang.  And the vote that REALLY matters is Hastert vs. Pelosi.

I refuse to support the Sierra Club because he's their token Republican (not that Connie Morella's gone)

by jdeeth 2005-04-23 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Poor Measures
Good point.

However, it's worth noting that this was the manner in which Democrats kept the majority for 40 years.  Conservative or moderate Democrats from swing districts or Republican districts were allowed to cast showy "moderate" votes on bills that were guaranteed to pass anyway.  But when passage was on the line, most Democrats (save perhaps for a couple of true DINOs) voted the party line.

We did the same thing when we were in the majority.  I'm sure that when Democrats were in the majority, Republicans saw their moderates as enabling the liberal agenda.

by Tom 2005-04-24 07:13PM | 0 recs
Who elects them?
With all due respect, Democrats are supposed to be answerable to their constituents, not Nancy Pelosi.

Obviously, I have serious issues with these bills, and would hope for better votes from Democrats.  

But from the 4-bill category, let me talk about Jim Costa, who is the Democratic Congressman from the Central California District (Fresno) where I went to high school. This is a moderate-to-conservative district.  Democrat Calvin Dooley, who preceded Costa, and served 6 or 7 terms (and was VERY popular) was also considered moderate-to-conservative.

Chris mentions that the Party should have primary challengers to the 4-bill group.  In the case of Costa, this is a waste of time and party resources.  Costa is ultimately answerable to his constituents.  And a liberal candidate will be trounced.

by v2aggie2 2005-04-23 10:41PM | 0 recs
RV on Amendments
Some of them matter, Chris, and are worth reporting.  RV 122 this session was the House's confirmation of the Senate's allowing ANWR drilling.  Thirty Dems flipped to the dark side.  Thirty Republicans saw the light.
by Adam B 2005-04-24 04:44AM | 0 recs
Chris - Your analysis is solid but....
its what those support/ don't support stats add up to.

The Democrats always respected seniority and lived with its consequences.  When pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-public education spending, pro-UN Republicans find themselves denied Committee and Subcommittee Chairs, the Democrats need to say "They talk Big Tent, we walk Big Tent"

I'm actually surprised that the Democrats didn't lose a lot more seats to party switchers over the years.   Pelosi and company need to find House memberrs with legislative interests and policy views that keep them from climbing into Chairmanships and coax thenm with the political carrot (personally, I think the environment and abortion could pull twenty or so members our way)

by kmwray 2005-04-26 11:38AM | 0 recs
I really like this analysis
What I understand of it is limited coming from
a math background and not politics.

Basically I see 189 reasons why the GOP
is driving the sense of partisanship in DC.

Is this correct?

If so, to get anything done, they might
want to cast their lots with McCain. He is
far and away easily the most powerful
senator in their fold and he hates
the BS going on...

At least thats my view of his position.
I'm still kind of miffed about the Steroids
Hearings. Geez. If we can't fix +baseball+.

Then again maybe its just that the braves
have traded glavine, maddux and all we have
left is used up jet trash John Smolz.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-04-26 02:32PM | 0 recs

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