They shouldn't be living in SIN anyway!

I don't know about the rest of the country, but at least we have the hammer to repeal the just-passed gay marriage ban in Oregon now. Oregon voters will not stand for domestic violence laws being threatened.

God, I love the stupidity of hate!!!

As I mentioned last year, the thing about this law, and that tells me that it wasn't a law that a lot of people put much thought into is that it is overbroad in more ways that just this one. If you ask people what they thought they were voting on, a lot of them would have said that they were voting on preventing the govt from forcing them to perform gay marriage. This is what they understand the bill to mean. I will bet in a lot of these places, they will tell you that is what they are preventing. The debate on this issue is so skewed, however, because there are so many conservatives even on the Democratic side of the aisle who don't want to have an honest debate. Occasionally, these people rear their heads here and on Daily Kos. The discussion is always about how people are against gay marriage, but not about whether we can actually judge what people aer for or against in such a tainted environment where people think that they are voting to prevent the govt from forcing them to perform gay marriage. They are so willing to vote against their own interest that they don't even notice that it has additional consequences as the domestic violence law issue. This is true although people were warning of these consequences last year. This is about misinformation, in part. As I have discovered, if you engage even evangelicals on this issue- not through demagogery and misinformation- you can win even some of them over about the merits of civil union. However, I don't see a real debate happening any time soon- do you ?

wow.  it never ceases to amaze, what lenths a group of men will go to in order to deny rights to another group of men.

But this reminds me, I guy I played rugby with in college was picked up on a Domestic Disturbance case and charged with Domestic Assault because he got in an alcohol induced fight with his cousin (and roommate) at the time. He pushed him down the stairs and broke his leg or something like that.

Apparently in Michigan, you can be charged with DD when you commit assault on anyone with whom you live.

reduces penalties for domestic violence -- some of those God-Fearing folk believe that there's nothing wrong with domestic violence, that a man should be allowed to beat his wife, and its all her fault anyway.  Plus if they're living in SIN -- well, why should the law protect them anyway?  

sigh.

Maybe they [conservative homophobes] didn't intend this result and it exposes some of the stupidity of these offensive policies?

I had this thought last night while I was in the shower.  I know, I sometimes come up with great ideas in the shower.  But seriously, try this one on for size:

To all the moral majorists, theo-cons, etc. who claim that homo-marriages will some way undermine the institution (ha!) that marriage is in this nation, consider the following:

A)If allowing gay marriage (b/c the Bible prohibits it) undermines marriage, then what happens when we as a society allow: Jewish marriages, Islamic marriages, Buddhist marriages, etc.  Why are these types of marriages not targeted by the ultra-right in the same manner?

2) allowing gay marriage will in no way obligate your church/pastor to accept, permit, or perform gay marriages. (See above- When was the last time that your priest performed a jewish ceremony?)

B) your beliefs are not your rights, and therefore do not and should not carry a greater weight than anyone else's beliefs.

Well, that ought to pretty much negate the whole "God" argument.  Although I'm sure it's been said elsewhere, with much more eloquenciosity.

Doinkicarus (likes to make up words.)