No Lite for Republicans on TV

I was looking through these stats from the TV stations (via Atrios and here) for the trendline numbers:
PrimeTime Average:
         1 Year Growth      2/05 Viewers    8/04 Viewers       

Fox                +18%        1,570,000       1,300,000
CNN                -21%          637,000         787,000
MSNBC              -14%         ~250,000         274,000
CNBC               -42%
Fox going up, everything else tanking. CableWorld has What they watch on Capital Hill, and it's what you'd expect, with this summary:What [The Hill's survey] finds is that Fox has galvanized their so-called opponents on the left to such a degree that having it on is a source of shame, while CNN hasn't angered the right to the same degree.Well, of course, because CNN, along with NBC and CBS, is becoming Fox-lite, hence more Republican. And as the above numbers show, why should Republicans get -lite when you can get the real thing? And who is going to offer the real Democratic thing?

I've turned them all off, let their ratings sink even lower, and then a progressive can come in and buy the network out on the cheap, or just let the whole medium die on the vine as we get fatband here on the net and replace their obsolete ways.

Other media news, Bob Brigham, BlogPac.org's Executive Director was on Majority Report (btw, Majority Report should get online archives like Jerry's) with Sam Seder, which got really in-depth with the info that There Is No Crisis with Social Security has been working on, and then Jeanne Garofalo comes in when the Gannon/Guckert talk begins and lays down her prediction: "Karl Rove has had an affair with Jeff Gannon... Rove is his lover." Ha ha, that's her wrap-up.

Update: Air America' MR archives are here, looks like they come up a couple of days later.

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40 Comments

Cool
Maybe MSNBC or CNN'll get it one of these days. I doubt it.

Ben P

by Ben P 2005-03-02 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Cool
I honestly DON'T understand it AT ALL.

In the last 2 presidential election cycles it was massively demonstrated that we have a polarized country, yet not a single cable outlet is catering to one side of the devide.

To me it's just plain nuts from a business perspective. All they have to do it look how wildly popular the daily show is for christs sake.

Personally i would prefer my news with no bias just good reporting, but right now we have neither good reporting or balance.

Damn, I wish I had the money, someone could make a killing.

imagine if CNN went liberal/progressive tommorrow they would double their ratings.

however CNN are finding out that given the choice between GOP and GOP-lite, GOP wins everytime. Seems like a common message to me.

No wonder CNN is reported ot be giving up the news in primetime and going for more filler. Yeah, that'll work.

by Pounder 2005-03-02 06:49PM | 0 recs
The Electric Slide
To the right, to the right -- right foot stomp one time -- right foot stomp two times.

Unfortunately, this isn't a phenomenon contained to television news.

Tim

by Tim Tagaris 2005-03-02 05:59PM | 0 recs
Isn't this just the decline of MSM?
Given that Dems now look to the internet, it's not a surprise that potential liberal TV outlets are in decline.

As for the GOP, I'm just proud of them for finally finding out that video killed the radio pundit.

by jcjcjc 2005-03-02 06:04PM | 0 recs
The MSM is a bag of c***
I mean seriously, the MSM is totally worthless...all they do is fall over themselves to prove to everyone that they're more 'right-wing' than the next guy... I mean take a look at this opinion article where the writer (a former Clinton advisor) actually suggests that Condoleezza Rice may deserve a Nobel Peace Prize!

http://bloogeyman.blogspot.com/2005/02/this-is-even-cheesier-than-rice-roni.html

Please...let bloggers take over...

by QuasiMotive 2005-03-02 08:34PM | 0 recs
Revenge of the Kerry Minority!
 If I were the bad toupee wearing Frank Luntz of the Left, I'd be spinning this as a major victory for the Democrats!

 I've read hundreds of like-minded, pissed off Kerry voters vowing to abandon what I like to call the MSM (Murdoch Seduced Media). Since November, I have watched less than a combined hour of CNN, while TiVo'ing BBC World News. And, I'm among that growing list of Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann fanatics!

by thatcoloredfella 2005-03-02 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Revenge of the Kerry Minority!
Same here, dude.  It's forbidden in my house anymore.  I used to be a cable news junkie, but this last election was the final straw.  I can't stand the pain of Judy Woodruff and Wolf Blitzer and their fake-balanced news.  

And let's not forget Chris Matthews over at MSNBC, who is quick to always remind us that liberals run the news in this country so liberals can't complain.  Thanks, Chris.  And, by the way, Chris Matthews calls himself MSNBC's democrat, but he admitted on air that he voted for Bush.  (He actually blushed when he said it.)

Fox... forget it.  I took that off my tuner permanently.

In a way, I can respect Fox.  They do what they do very well, which is, shill for the White House and pretend that it's real news.  The other cable channels just seem to wish they could get some of Fox's action.

I saw that MSNBC recently gave Ron Reagan a show, along with Monica Crowley, a foxy but hardcore conservative with some extra IQ points.  A year ago, I would have been fascinated and a regular watcher.  Today, I can't make myself sit to watch it.

by Dumbo 2005-03-03 01:58AM | 0 recs
CNN is good sometimes
Lou Dobbs especially.  Although he is a broken record on his illegal immigrant/outsourcing/unfair trade agreement kick, that mostly helps us.  And when he does stories on other topics, they usually favor us, too.  Last night he did a story on how Bush visited a community college, and praised them in his speech at his photo op-but made massive cuts in funding to community colleges in his latest budget, with no explanation on the contradictory nature of these two items.  The story was quite snarky, and really beat up on Bush.  Aaron Brown is decent, too.
by Geotpf 2005-03-03 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Revenge of the Kerry Minority!
Thanks for the revelation of Matthews voting for Bush, it just cements my palpable hatred of his pale, doughy, gutless, fat arse! I'm comforted by the fact that MSNBC dropped 18% percent also!

As for the Ron Reagan/Crowley show, imagine Anderson Cooper split screened alongside that blond bimbette from Fox And Friends? They are pandering and sucking up to the bloggers BIG TIME, but have sh**ty time slots! (Noon and 4pm est)

by thatcoloredfella 2005-03-03 07:33AM | 0 recs
Corporate WHORING!
That's all the mainstream media is today and I'll not partake in any of it! If a news outlet is owned by ANY corporate interest, then I don't trust it. I'm with Nader on this.

Now despite what I've just said, I am still disturbed by these latest stats. The more popular Fox becomes, the more brainwashed and stupid the public gets. This does not bode well for America!

by Vote Hillary 2008 2005-03-02 11:20PM | 0 recs
Maybe NON FOX VIEWERS are SPLIT
I mean if it was only CNN vs FOX, then CNN will match fox.

But CNN + MSNBC + CNBC  then we split non FOX viewers into 3.

Actually my mom watches FOX mostly but she voted for Kerry.

by jasmine 2005-03-03 02:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe NON FOX VIEWERS are SPLIT
Do you know why your mom watches Fox?  
by bellarose 2005-03-03 03:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe NON FOX VIEWERS are SPLIT
I'm afraid your mom won't be voting Democratic much longer if she keeps watching Fox.
by Curt Matlock 2005-03-03 04:53AM | 0 recs
CNN is definitely corrupt
But the corruption is a result of their editors.
The editors are extremely involved in
distortion.

Look at how pathological they are.

> The global flyer goes round the world. no major
  news station picks upthe launch (too busy
  reporting the BTK killer. ) I actually
  ran my kids over to someone's house that
  has cable, just to watch the launch. I was
  so dissappointed. It was beyond words.

> Ok, the flyer does a great job. about halfway
   into the flight they have a fuel issue.
   Suddenly it bleeds. (fuel line bleeding in
   in this case) and then it leads.

> Meanwhile check this statistic out. Owing
  to the complete complacency of their reporting,
  the website does 10 gb of traffic in its
  first day. NOT the days thereafter when
  the bogus story starts floating about fuel.

> And then the coup de grace. Virgin atlantic
  finally fesses up. The fuel is in the wingtips
  and they issue a full press release.

> Now this is the interesting part. As of/ 3/3 05
  this morning 8 am, not a single news agency
  is reporting that the missing fuel was on
  board the whole time. They're reporting it
  as a "mysterious" fuel condition. Again, this
  is the effect of the editor on the reporting.

> To cover up their sloppy situation, they're
  hyping how "the guy is hallucinating, and the
  plane is lighter" which is true, but he's
  coherent and the plane is the correct weight
  for the trip.

Now for your edification. Here is the actual
press release.

http://www.globalflyer.com/press/index.jsp

Note carefully how they state clearly that
there were no sensors in the wingtips,
and after they pumped the fuel from the wing
into the tank near honolulu, they found
they had the missing fuel.

It hurts me that this is the state of our
country. They are being driven by a sort
of shallow, wierd commercialism which used
to be cute, I guess, in the sixties when
someone could get high and get in
touch with the earth and go live on
a commune or something and work it all out.

But since then its gotten much worse.
At the hand of the editor, news has become
a tool for corporate control of government
in a way that has become almost crass
and careless.

Americans are the best entertained, least
informed people in the entire world.

It will pay you sixty bucks a month
to shut off your cable subscription.

And if you want to win elections, you have
to take care of the talk radio problem
because thats where people are trapped
in their cars. (more of them than you
really want to know.)

FOX news is nothing. easily ignored.
The entire American media industry
has a vested interest in the Bush
presidency. FCC media consolidatoin here we
come ! yahoo!!

 

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-03-03 03:43AM | 0 recs
heres the real link to the virgin atlantic PR
that says the fuel was in the wingtips.
every time you hear the bogus story,
remember the truth is out here.

http://www.globalflyer.com/press/words/index.jsp

(first press release down below)
save a copy in case they try to change it online!

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-03-03 03:47AM | 0 recs
Isn't it a bigger problem?
As a former member of the MSM, isn't the bigger problem not so much that Fox is conservative, but rather than Fox claims it's telling the 'truth' and that it's 'fair and balanced' when, in reality, it's just a propaganda outlet for the GOP?

Journalism should strive to be an unbiased - as much as possible through checks and balances - in its presentation of the news. So what Fox does is wrong because it is biased, but claims it isn't. If Fox openly came out and said it was a conservative media organization, than I'd have no problem. Air America is an openly liberal radio network, so they let you know up front some things are going to be presented and scrutinized from a particular viewpoint.

So I don't think that asking CNN or MSNBC to shift more to the left while using the masquerade that Fox wears is the right remedy to the problem. Rather we should make CNN and MSNBC return to their more balanced and unbiased, pure journalistic roots ... and encourage them to challenge the status quo on both sides of the partisan divide, rather than cater to whatever the White House is putting out.

Developing our own news network with the front of it being 'fair and balanced' but liberal at its core is only duplicating the underhandness of the GOP. We can win people back without those tactics.

by GaDem 2005-03-03 04:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Isn't it a bigger problem?
I don't think anyone is suggesting that a liberal counter to Fox should hide its true nature. I want a liberal version of Fox yes, but see no reason it should disguise itself.

CNN would instantly improve its ratings if it branded itself as "THE Source for Liberal News" and marketed itself as an alternative to Fox which it would brand as "Republican TV".

BTW, I've had success calling Fox just that to friends and relatives who watch Fox. I tell them to watch it if they want to but that they need to realize it is Republican TV and to take it with a grain of salt.

by Curt Matlock 2005-03-03 05:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Isn't it a bigger problem?
I've got some relatives who recognize that Fox News is openly conservative in its reporting, like my grandma, but my brother-in-law stands by the 'it's the real story' line.

If CNN wished to come out as 'the liberal source for news' than that is one thing. I don't think that is the best remedy for the problem, as I expressed earlier. We should continue to push all media organizations - like CNN and MSNBC - to continue to pursue nonpartisan and unbiased (to the best of their abilities) journalism. I don't necessarily want to see the United States devolve into what Great Britian has now, with a conservative newspaper and a liberal newspaper competing for readers (despite it being a great read, it preaches to the choir). It only serves to polarize in my mind, and journalism should be about shining truth and keeping all parties honest.

by GaDem 2005-03-03 06:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Isn't it a bigger problem?
I would have preferred to have an unbiased press that I could trust also. But "progress" marches on. Fox is here to stay and I want at least one outlet on the other side of the partisan divide to provide balance.

I don't care which one it is. After we've got Fox and anti-Fox then I'd be thrilled to see the rest of them try to regain balance because, like you, I also want to be able to see both sides of the story.

Bottom line, I liked what we had in the past better myself but don't see how things can return to that point. Given that belief I have to hope for an anti-Fox to emerge.

by Curt Matlock 2005-03-03 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Isn't it a bigger problem?
I can see that. I had heard somewhere that Air America was hoping to get more involved in television. I know the Al Franken show is on Bravo, or has been in the past.

Getting Ed Shultz on TV would rock.

by GaDem 2005-03-03 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Isn't it a bigger problem?
"but rather than Fox claims it's telling the 'truth' and that it's 'fair and balanced' when, in reality, it's just a propaganda outlet for the GOP?"

Please. Give it up. You mean like how Fox first reported on Bush's DUI 2 days before the Y2K election? If you count all the Libs on Fox, you'll find that Fox has more avowed Libs than all the other cablers have Conservatives combined.

Yeah, I know. Any news outlet that doesn't automatically assume that Republicans are EEEEEVIL must be the GOP house organ.

CNN isn't Liberal enough for ya? Wow. When was the last time CNN owner Ted Turner sided with the Right on anything? Ever?

by Whatever 2005-03-03 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Isn't it a bigger problem?
My brother is also deluded into believing that Fox is "fair and balanced". It always surprises me when anyone of intelligence makes such a claim and believes it. Fox is seductive and mesmerizing in it's presentation of the news. It has a banner the reads "The War on Terror" whenever it reports on the war in Iraq. It's that kind of subtle mind control that results in laughable comments like yours. They reported Bush's DUI and quickly attacked the guy with the suit and the baseball cap who brought it to the media's attention. They reported his left-wing connections and suggested that we shouldn't let some nut have an impact on the outcome of the election. They turned a minus into a plus by shifting the focus. To conrol a story it is best to be the first to report it. You need to be deprogrammed. Step away from the television!
by kitebro 2005-03-04 02:33AM | 0 recs
"...their obsolete ways."
sorry there, but -

It's not obsolete. Most people still get their news from the TeeVee; there'd be nothing better than getting a network of our own.

by jkdism 2005-03-03 04:25AM | 0 recs
Re: "...their obsolete ways."
The "way" is what is obsolete, not the medium. Look at the stats, they speak for themselves. Who wants to tune into a something that's totally inaunthentic talking heads anymore?  Boring. At least with Fox it's authentic lying.  And yea, I do think the idea of coming out with a Democratic TV is the answer, call it progressive, and watch the ratings sail upward.
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-03-03 06:55AM | 0 recs
I am not sure that I should care
I rememeber when my conservative friends called CNN Clinton News Network.

And yes I have conservative friends--its like reading the Washington Times-its good to know your enemy and how your enemy thinks.  After many years of political discussions I found that  I would never get them to be pro-choice or anti-death penalty.  We stopped talking about certain issues.  But on many issues we could find common ground. True Repubicanism is more akin to libertatianism.  Unfortunatley there are no true republicans left.

by aiko 2005-03-03 04:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I am not sure that I should care
And true Liberals, like the ones who founded the country, supported the military, were not Anti-Capitalist, were not reflexively anti-Christian and actually stood up for America when attacked literally and figuratively.

Unfortunately, there are no true Liberals left. sigh....

by Whatever 2005-03-03 06:23PM | 0 recs
Really?
I'm not anti-Capitalist, I'm a Christian, and I believe that we should defend ourselves (as opposed to using an attack carried out by Saudis based in Afghanistan as a pretext to attack Iraq).

It sounds as if you believe whatever Reep propagandists tell you about the other side.

by catastrophile 2005-03-04 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: A matter of perspective
A million and a half viewers in a country this size is NOTHING! It just means that a network that panders to a certain viewpoint is getting those that hold the viewpoint to watch and reinforce their ideology. After googling this is what I learned:
US Population - 265 Million
98.2 percent have at least one TV
69 percent of those households have cable.

The real question is where do all those who don't share the ideology go? It isn't that everyone is watching Faux news - it's that critical thinkers, or actually people that even bother to think for themselves instead of being parrots AREN'T watching Fox or MSNBC or CNN, or even the networks in the numbers they used to. I would love to know if there has been a peel-off of viewers of the real broadcast networks that is equivalent to Fox's gain, or if CNN/MSNBC et al losses are a zero-sum balance.
First week of February, broadcast news had a total of nearly 28 million viewers for the Big Three, 10+,10+, and 7.5.

by rodean 2005-03-03 04:45AM | 0 recs
Re: A matter of perspective
Does the 69% include Satellite too?  If so, I am surprised the number isn't higher.  
by yitbos96bb 2005-03-03 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: A matter of perspective
Many, many people can't justify $40 a month to pay for cable/satellite services
by Valatan 2005-03-03 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: A matter of perspective
True, but I was not sayign they were bad for not having it.  Just surprised there aren't more that do, based on the sampling of people I either know or work with, nearly 90% have cable or satellite..some of whom live on very small salaries.    
by yitbos96bb 2005-03-03 11:38AM | 0 recs
Viewers in US...
As oil goes up some choices will be made-do we keep the cable or just the free stations?  Most is just infomercials anyway.
I work in a hospital and am amazed at how many people DO NOT have cable.  And they DO NOT read either.  This is the uninformed!  The local news is just an update on the latest murders and robberies. Will these folks be influenced? I think not.

However, as the viewers watching go down (think of the liberal and informed) the media giants  notice...and this is the "capital country" which thrives on $$$$.  I see a real crisis coming within the media-they will have to choose.  Do they just keep spouting the White House rhetoric and watch their numbers continue to fall or do they go after new viewers?
Remember there were those that said Air America would fail...now its the fastest growing radio market in the country.  How long will it take the media to notice?  Depends on $$$loss.

They will notice eventually and want to tap this market, Repub rhetoric VS avail Liberal views. (facts and truth)

by lja 2005-03-03 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: A matter of perspective
Where do you go to find this far left ideology? I've been looking for it myself and can't find any far left ideology outside of the blogosphere.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-03 07:51AM | 0 recs
The media is so liberal that
even the facts are biased against Reeps.

Anything that doesn't jibe with the Reep line is liberal. Anybody who dares to criticize Bush is a liberal.

The fact is that Reeps use the word liberal as a slur. To them, it means either "sissy" or "traitor."

by catastrophile 2005-03-03 09:43AM | 0 recs
In the scheme of things
In the scheme of things 1.5 mil viewers isn't much.  Isn't that what the Daily Show gets, more or less?  Sometimes I think we make more of Fox News by ranting about it so much.  What if we just laughed at it and called it irrelevant?  Nothing works like ridicule, just ask any republican.

BTW,  I noticed CNBC doesn't even get a rating.  Does anybody watch Dennis Miller (is he still on?) except perhaps his mother, and her only sporadically?  Maybe they'll give Ron Silver his own show next, so he can bill and coo with Ann Coulter on air.

by mjshep 2005-03-03 08:35AM | 0 recs
the Daily Show
I took a survey yesterday that asked me which networks I trusted for news. After thinking about it, I left all the choices unchecked except for "Other" and wrote in "Comedy Central."
by catastrophile 2005-03-03 09:45AM | 0 recs
Where's the Profit?
You would think that one of these networks would see the light.

If one stopped trying to be Faux Lite and went for the progressive point of view, they would have an audience of all of the people who voted for Kerry (48-49% of the pie) not splitting the pie with the other three or four competitors.

A local Radio station just picked up Air America here (Reno, Nv.) and their station reps have been told that the Ad rates will skyrocket shortly (Duh!).  Only one progressive station with 50% of the market to themselves..... (grin).  First time I've started listening to talk radio again in LOTS-O-YEARS!

by NvDem 2005-03-03 09:40AM | 0 recs
Most media companies
are so large and diverse that the activities of one subsidiary can have an impact on the profits of another.

This is especially true with companies that are in the market for government contracts, but any company with diverse holdings is going to benefit from having a "pro-business" administration in office. This means that not only is there a benefit in pushing the Reep agenda, there's something to be gained by hindering any opposition to said agenda -- like tying up a bunch of barely-profitable, useless and unwatched news channels to make sure "the enemy" (truth is the enemy of the state) doesn't get hold of an outlet.

This is why an independent media is so vital, and why the FCC has been so busy about opening up the ownership rules. Check out Who Owns What for more.

There's also benefits such as, of all the bizarre things, oil companies -- not gas companies, oil companies buying ad time on cable news stations. What has the left got to counter that kind of money?

by catastrophile 2005-03-03 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Where's the Profit?
"they would have an audience of all of the people who voted for Kerry (48-49% of the pie) not splitting the pie with the other three or four competitors."

Oh, my God. You're serious. Have you checked out Air America's national ratings since airing? Obviously not. You know, believe it or not, most Americans really don't like being told that its President is a jackbooted moron, its military is a force for evil in the world, that taxes are too low and the US needs to be more like Europe. You know, the standard leftwing menu of lies -- hence the ultra low Air America ratings.

Hey, whatever happened to Mario Cuomo and Jim Hightower's radio show? Am I the only one hearing the crickets chirp?

by Whatever 2005-03-03 06:19PM | 0 recs
Damn, Can't Stop the Air America Juggernaut....
  • Air America's flagship station, WLIB-AM in New York, garnered a 1.2 share in the latest quarter, down 0.1 from the year-ago period. By comparison, WABC-AM, New York's leading conservative station, garnered a 3.8 share, up 0.1 from the year-ago period. WOR-AM, another conservative station, posted a 2.1 share, down 0.1 from the year-earlier period.

  • Air America's Boston station, WKOX-AM, got a tiny 0.6 share in the latest quarter, compared to a 4.3 share at WTKK-FM and a 4.0 share at WRKO-AM, both of which are conservative.

B-b-b-but Everyone listens to A.A. Everyone I tells ya!
by Whatever 2005-03-04 01:22PM | 0 recs

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