The Harry & Nancy side-attraction

by Jerome Armstrong, Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 08:38:59 AM EST

Nancy Pelosi: "I think that Governor Dean would take his lead from us."

Harry Reid: "The Democratic chairman has a constituency of 447 people. Our constituency is much larger than that."

                           # endorsements     percentage (50% + 1 needed)
Dean                       166                38
Fowler                      13                 3
Roemer (Nancy & Harry)       4                 1
Rosenberg                    4                 1

Today, Dean won the endorsement of SEIU, and AFSCME pres Gerald McEntee said he'd probably back Dean as well. As for Harry & Nancy, Hotline said it well enough:Anyone believe Dean feels as if his constituency is smaller than Reid's? Considering all the attempts Pelosi and Reid made to stop Dean, this doesn't sound like reconciliation talk. After all, if Dems did take the lead from Cong. leadership, would Dean be the DNC-chair-to-be?

Howard Dean (166)		    More Dean ...
DNC vice-chair Gloria Molina	    WV vice-chair Belinda Biafore
DNC dep chair Ben Johnson	    DC vice-chair Ron Bitondo
FL Dem chair Scott Maddox	    DNC del. Moretta Bosley
FL vice-chair Diane Glasser	    DNC del. Tonio Burgos
DNC del. Jon Ausman		    DNC del. Mary Candon
DNC del. Cathy Bartolotti	    GA vice-chair Mattie Dorsey
DNC del. Terrie Brady		    SD chair Judy Duhamel
DNC del. Mitchell Ceasar	    UT chair Donald Dunn
DNC del. Joyce Cusack		    HI chair Brickwood Galuteria
DNC del. Allan Katz		    DNC del. Billi Gosh
DNC del. Raul Martinez		    DNC del. Stan Gruszynski
DNC del. Chuck Mohlke		    WI chair Linda Honold
DNC del. Janee Murphy		    DNC del. Judith Hope
MS chair Wayne Dowdy		    MA chair Phillip Johnston
OK chair Jay Parmley		    DNC del. Frank LaMere
WA chair Paul Berendt		    DNC del. Weldon Latham
VT chair Peter Mallary		    RI chair Bill Lynch
DNC del. Willie Barrow		    DNC exec cmte Karen Marchioro
DNC del. Joseph Cari		    Dems Abrd vice-chair John McCreery
DNC del. Yolanda Caraway	    HI vice-chair Stephanie Ohigashi
DNC del. Wanda Lockridge	    Trenton mayor Doug Palmer
Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA)	    DNC del. Chuck Ross Jr.
UT vice-chair Nancy Woodside	    VT vice-chair Allison Sultan
DNC del. Martha Dixon		    DNC del. Mark Weiner
DNC del. Yvonne Gates		    U.S. Samoa chair Oreta Togafau
DNC del. Minyon Moore		    Samoa vicechair Tuiasina S. Laumoli 
DNC del. Mirian Saez		    DNC del. Therese Hunkin
Rep. Elijah Cummings		    DNC del. Fagafaga Lagkilde
DNC Black vic-chair Joel Ferguson   CO chair Chris Gates
DNC del. Patricia Ford		    CO vice-chair Julia Hicks
DNC del. Joe Moore		    DNC del. J.W. Postal
DNC del. Gus Bickford		    DNC del. Mannie Rodriguez
DNC del. Patsy Arceneaux	    DNC del. Debbie Marquez
DNC Women's chair Mame Reiley	    DNC del. Ramona Martinez
DNC del. Steven Alari		    MN chair Mike Erlandson
DNC del. Jeremy Bernard 	    MN vice-chair Tarryl Clark
DNC del. Rachel Binah		    DNC del. Ken Fozworth
DNC del. Mary Early		    DNC del. Rick Stafford
DNC del. Ed Espinosa		    DNC del. Nancy Larson 
DNC del. Jimmie Farris		    DNC del. Jackie Stevenson
DNC del. Mike Fitzgerald	    NE chair Steven Achelpohl
DNC '04 convo chair Alice Huffman   NE vice-chair Audra Ostergard
DNC del. Pete Jorgenson 	    NH chair Kathy Sullivan
DNC del. Johnny Patton		    NH vice-chair Ray Buckley
CA vice-chair Alexandra Rooker	    DNC del. Anita Friedman
DNC del. Aleita Hugeunin	    DNC del. Gaetan DiGangi
DNC del. John Perez		    OR chair Jim Edmundson
DNC del. Garry Shay		    OR vice-chair Meredith Smith
Ex-WH dep CoS Harold Ickes	    DNC del. Jenny Greenleaf
Ex-Denver mayor Wellington Webb     DNC del. Wayne Kinney
DNC del. Kathleen Fahey 	    DNC del. Vince Powers
PR vice-chair Luisette Cabanas	    DNC vice-chair Linda Chavez
DNC del. Alvaro Cifuentes	    DNC del. Maria Echaveste
DNC del. Nely Galan		    DNC del. Fisher Flores
DNC del. Maria Garcia		    VI vice-chair Carmen Gonzalez
KS vice-chair Teresa Krusor	    DNC del. Miguel Lausell
DNC del. Maria Luna		    DNC del. Debbie Marquez
DNC del. Iris Martinez		    DNC del. Ramona Martinez
DNC del. Kevin Rodriquez	    DNC del. Ken McClintock
DNC del. Roberto Ramirez	    DNC del. Joe Rios
DNC del. Lula Rodriguez 	    DNC del. Mannie Rodriguez
DNC del. Marian Saez		    NM vice-chair Annadelle Sanchez
DNC del. Oscar Soliz		    DNC del. Alexis Tameron
CA chair Art Torres		    DNC del. Norma Torres
DNC del. Antonio Villaraigosa	    DNC del. Steven Ybarra
DNC del. Marilyn Tyler Brown	    DNC del. Thomas Buffenbarger
DNC del. Anna Burger		    DNC del. Yvonne Davis
AK vice-chair Mary Ann Eininger     DNC del. Hartina Flournoy
TX vice-chair Gabrielle Hadnot	    DNC del. Jaime Gonzalez
DNC del. Elaine Kamarck 	    DNC del. Sue Lovell
IL chair Michael Madigan	    DNC del. Mark Mallory
DNC del. Edward McElroy 	    DNC del. Kevin Murray
TN vice-chair Elisa Parker	    DNC del. John Patrick
DNC del. Robert Rankin		    DNC del. Diane Saxe
TX chair Charles Soechting	    WI vice-chair Tim Sullivan
DNC del. Senfronia Thompson	    DNC del. Keith Umemoto
Dems Abrd chair Rachelle Valladares DNC del. Randi Weingarten
DNC del. James Zogby		    KS chair Lawrence Gates
DNC del. Lee Kinch		    DNC del. Randy Roy
ME chair Patrick Colwell	    ME vice-chair Marianne Stevens
DNC del. Jennifer DeChant	    DNC del. Sam Spencer
DNC del. Celita Arroyo de Roques    VI chair Cecil Benjamin
DNC del. Toi Barbel		    DNC del. Maria Heywood

Dem strategist Donnie Fowler (13)   Ex-Rep. Tim Roemer (4)
Ex-DNC chair Don Fowler 	    IN chair Dan Parker
CA del. Alicia Wang		    DNC del. Scott Pastrick
Ethnic coord cmte Marty Dunleavy    DNC del. Bob Pastrick 
KY del. Terry McBrayer		    DNC del. Phoebe Crane
SC del. Waring Howe Jr. 	    
IL del. Tom Larkin		    NDN pres. Simon Rosenberg (4)	
DNC del. Ed Tinsley		    DNC del. Mark Bryant 
DNC del. Mona Mohib		    DNC del. Gloria Nieto 
DNC del. Margaret Xifaras	    DNC del. Moretta Bosley
PA chair T.J. Rooney		    DNC del. Jo Wickliffe
SC vice-chair Carol Khare 
NC chair Barbara Allen 
DNC del. Grant Burgoyne

Tags: Democrats (all tags)

Comments

36 Comments

Sort by

permalink

I think Nancy Pelosi and Reid

want to get some emails. They are obviously interested in hearing our opinion.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-02-02 08:30AM | 0 recs

permalink

For those in favor...

of Dean. This is for your enjoyment and encouragement.

[http://www.depthaudio.com/Dean.htm]

Feel free to distribute.

by Depth 2005-02-02 09:28AM | 0 recs

permalink

+4 for dean

from the UAW. i don't know the names of the board members, so i'm not sure if they're in this total you've got posted. but wanted to give you the FYI....

by annatopia 2005-02-02 08:31AM | 0 recs

permalink

What are the issues?

Can anyone outline some substantive issues where Dean as DNC chair and Pelosi and Reid as Congressional leaders might likely be in conflict regarding actions? Is it about how to spend money? What gets said on political talk shows? What is it that they feel threatened by?

by LastToKnow 2005-02-02 08:38AM | 0 recs

permalink

This group.

Dean won the endorsement of SEIU,

I can not speak about the other 49 states but in North Carolina this group is very much in bed with the state Republcian party. Having endorsed in 2004 Republican nominee for Governor and the GOP nominees for most of the critical legislative races. I was skepitical of Dean anyway, but alinging himself this group makes him somewhat suspicius in NC.

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 08:43AM | 0 recs

permalink

backup link

can you provide some links which affirm the relationship between SEIU and the NC GOP?

by annatopia 2005-02-02 08:44AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: backup link

it is hard to find old links but here is the best I could do.

http://www.seancd17.com/cont.htm

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 09:09AM | 0 recs

permalink

are you sure...

...we're talking about the same organisation? the link you provided talks about SEANC - the state employees assc of north carolina. i poked around their website and they don't seem to be affiliated with SEIU. are you maybe confusing your acronyms?

anyway, it doesn't matter. read what chris wrote a bit downthread. SEIU is a good and growing union that stands up for the working class. i'm glad they're on our side.

by annatopia 2005-02-02 09:15AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: are you sure...

I am not a member of this group but as I understand it they are the only state employee association here and has implied itself to be the same group, but I cannot actually say for sure.

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 09:19AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: are you sure...

Yeah let's be clear

SEIU Service Employees International Union

by fng 2005-02-02 09:20AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: are you sure...

I am not sure but I is what I have been told I will have to ask someone from the organazation for clairifaction.

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 09:26AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: are you sure...

SEANC = State Employees Association of North Carolina

SEANC is in no way affiliated with SEIU.

by wayward 2005-02-02 01:07PM | 0 recs

permalink

I work for SEIU

I work in politics for SEIU and SEANC in NOT part of SEIU.
In fact, SEIU has no presence in North Carolina. You can always tell SEIU by our distinctive purple, SEANC has no such color in their website.

But as a trade unionist, many public employee unions endorse incumbents regardless of party. Often, they are afraid of the incumbent's retribution as they always have the advantage in reelection.

George Pataki got 1199-SEIU's endorsement because no Democrat had a chance to beat him, plus we were able to get some serious concessions from him, like card check as Chris stated earlier.

Our union believes we need to support candidates that best serves the interests of our members and of working people as a whole. Sometimes that means the occasional endorsement of a Republican or even a viable Green.

by raddude 2005-02-03 11:38AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: are you sure...

My father is in SEANC in North Carolina.

In NC, it is illegal for state employees to unionize. So they are not technically a union.

Gov. Mike Easley (DINO-NC) decided to balance the budget by raiding the state pension fund. SEANC tried to sue. Their lawsuit was dismissed because since they weren't a union, they had no standing in the matter. The state employees had no legal recourse.

Because of Easley's treatment of state workers, the SEANC, who endorsed Easley in 2000, endorsed his Republican opponent, Pat Ballentine, instead.

by wayward 2005-02-02 01:05PM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: backup link

I am sorry if you are not from here that you missed it the endorsement happaned around August it made big news for several weeks and some pundints thought it may jump start Ballantyne's campaign, but when the campaign faltered anyway it just kind of faded. Still to endorse a Republican challenger over a Democratic Governor made many here suspicious of this group.

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 09:16AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: backup link

Per above, the SEIU has nothing to do with the union you're referencing in NC. Most State employees are affiliated with AFSCME (Association of Federal, State, County, and Municipal Employees). There are others, including SEIU for service staff (housekeeping/food service/etc) at State-run institutions for the most part.

by fng 2005-02-02 09:22AM | 0 recs

permalink

AFSCME

American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees

I knew there weren't federal employees in AFSCME when I typed it. Damn me for premature posting.

by fng 2005-02-02 09:26AM | 0 recs

permalink

"This group"

SEIU has endorsed Republicans from time to time, including Pataki in NY. However, they did get what they wanted, and what almost every Democratic Governor has not delivered: a card check law.

SEIU gave 500K to the Republican Governor's association, but to say they are in bed with Republicans is, um a bit of a strech to say the least. Just one of their locals (1199) spent over $40M to help elect Democrats natiowide. Further, Stern was one of the founding members of ACT and America Votes.

And this "group," by the way, is the fastest growing union in America with 1.8M workers as members, doubling its membership during a time when nationally union membership has been slashed. This isn't just some random advoacy organization. You should show it some respect.

by Chris Bowers 2005-02-02 08:50AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: "This group"

It is one thing to endorse Republicans but this group backed Republican challangers against Democratic incumbents in North Carolina.

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 08:59AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: "This group"

Proof? Anna asked...I am asking... Are you sure it is the National org and not some of the Locals.

by yitbos96bb 2005-02-02 09:08AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: "This group"

As I underestand it, it was the state organazation that did it, but the national group stayed silent throught the process.

by THE MODERATE 2005-02-02 09:23AM | 0 recs

permalink

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Cite your examples, or admit you're just farting in the wind to see if you can eke out a tune.

by boadicea 2005-02-02 10:18AM | 0 recs

permalink

they had their chance to stop Dean...

And they failed. If they hadn't opposed Dean, they would have some claim on him. Or if they had done a better job and picked someone other than Tim Roemer, they wouldn't be in this spot.

Now they are mouthing the worries of their Congressional minorities. Whatever. These are empty threats and they should be wary of issuing them without the political capital to back it up.

by Matt Stoller 2005-02-02 08:57AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: they had their chance to stop Dean...

So Matt...

Does your post mean that Rosenberg's dropping out?

by Vermonter 2005-02-02 10:04AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: they had their chance to stop Dean...

No.

by Matt Stoller 2005-02-02 10:21AM | 0 recs

permalink

Dynamic Tension

While I don't especially like the snarky tone of Reid & Pelosi's comments, I am not concerned that their takes and their tactics may differ.

Reid & Pelosi are Washington DC Democrats. They represent the party as a potential government. That necessarily involves the compromises, deals and policy choices.

Dean and the DNC are the National Democrats. The DNC is about elections more than policies, broad strokes more than specific issues and party organization more than legislative coalitions.

Both are absolutely necessary and the dynamic tension between the two will be positive once they all get serious about working together.

In admittedly generalized terms, Reid & Pelosi will reflect the consensus and goals of their respective caucuses. Dean and the DNC will reflect the consensus and goals of the organizations and leaders in the states.

This is not going to be a thing that breaks right or left on an consistent basis. While this may disappoint some people, Dean, to the extent that he is a spokeman, will have to reflect views in the party that he and his adherents may not share. His job is to help other people succeed (or survive).

by James Earl 2005-02-02 09:23AM | 0 recs

permalink

Democratic United Front for Dean

The NYT article that quoted Pelosi and Reid was a disappointment http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/02/politics/02dean.html?pagewanted=2. The Democratic Party needs to be united around its progressives, conservatives, moderates, et al. Dean represents a great victory for the grassroots. Without the constant pressure of people in the Democratic party who represent change and reform, Dean would not have been elected . Every person in the Democratic Party, especially leaders within the party, should be congratulating Dean, talking about how much they are looking forward to working with him and the energy that he brings to the party. And for all you people in San Francisco I would pick up the phones, send emails and sit in Pelosi's office to tell her to get on message regarding Dean. Keep up the fight!!!!!

by jgruber 2005-02-02 10:45AM | 0 recs

permalink

Childishness

That's my response to Reid and Pelosi's comment.

Both of them have been doing good things. It is disappointing that they seem to view Dean as an enemy instead of an ally.

One would hope that these experienced politicians would understand that maturity sometimes means swallowing your pride.

by Chris Andersen 2005-02-02 11:31AM | 0 recs

permalink

Speaker Pelosi - Not?

The DC mindset of our "professional politicians" is a problem, not a solution. If Nancy Pelosi doesn't "get it" soon perhaps we ought to look for someone else in the House worthy of leading us back to a Democratic Speakership.

by Steve in Sacto 2005-02-02 01:05PM | 0 recs

permalink

Size matters... but Dr. Dean's is larger

Pelosi became House Minority Leader with votes from the ~200 Democrat House Members. Reid became Senate Minority Leader with votes from the 44 other Democratic Senators. Dr. Dean's votes from DNC delegates may well exceed both.

But that's beside the point. Let's look at how many votes they received from the public at large in the 2004 election, and how big their constituency really is.

Name:	      Elected from:  Population:  Votes Received:
Rep. Pelosi   House district	639,088 	 221,821
Sen. Reid     State	      1,998,257 	 490,232
Dr. Dean      Nation	    281,421,906 	 742,935

Any questions?

by Horq 2005-02-02 01:19PM | 0 recs

permalink

My cynical view is...

Pelosi and Reid are talking about their "constituencies" as the special interests and ideological PACs which support their campaigns and every other congressman.

I very much doubt we're going to see reforms from Dean on the scale that he and Nader debated about regarding corporate ownership of our democracy. Both parties will never swear off hard and soft money from such constituencies. That's the reform I want to see but I know it will never happen in my lifetime.

by Vote Hillary 2008 2005-02-02 05:14PM | 0 recs

permalink

Washington State

Your list of the 166 is missing the following members from Washington State publicly for Dean (announced at Saturday's re-organization meeting):

Ed Cote
Dave MacDonald

I have to also believe that Ron Sims will be voting for Dean. I do not know the status of Patricia Whitefoot or Gov. Christine Gregoire.

by chrischross 2005-02-02 09:40PM | 0 recs

permalink

Learn from Tom Daschle

Daschle tried to hitch on to the Bush bandwagon and still got burned by a fringe candidate like Thune. Pelosi and Reid put in a forgettable performance yesterday. And despite their lack of strong criticism of Bush, they get bashed by the press. Reid, for all his "moderation", is viewed very negatively today by the republican talking heads. If you are going to get criticized , you might as well be like Dean and tell it like it is.

Oh Pelosi, sue the guy who did your facelift because you look like a joke on national tv. It looks a lot more ridiculous than any scream Dean could engage in. And be happy that there is no cap as of today on damages because 250K won't be enough for how ridiculous your face looks. And stop taking political advice from your stupid daughter who equates whoever humors her in her documentaries to be the best politician for this country. She said some weird stuff about Dean as if he was the only unqualified candidate.

by Pravin 2005-02-03 05:49AM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: Learn from Tom Daschle

Thune was the Representative from South Dakota for years. He also narrowly lost to Tim Johnson in 2002. I would hardly call him fringe. (His views on the other hand...)

Daschle had to run for Senate in a state that went 60+% for Bush while leading the party in opposition to him. Daschle was a walking target, much like McGovern was years earlier.

Thanks to Tom DeLay, Martin Frost had a similar problem. How do Democrats win in districts where the Republican ticket is expected to get over 60% of the vote?

by wayward 2005-02-03 05:26PM | 0 recs

permalink

Re: Learn from Tom Daschle

My point was this - brownnosing the right wing won't win you an election since right wing voters prefer to vote for their guy regardless. They will appreciate your brownnosing(in this case Dashcle's) but all it does is net him less haters than gain him more loyal constituents.

I dont think Daschle was seen as an obvious conciliator in DC, but then he tries to have it both ways with that stupid ad by associating himself with Bush. Sure winning that state is a tough chore, but considering he has been in the senate for so long, and the fact that this country is loathe to vote against many established incumbents, that should have offset the party disadvantage in numbers in his state.

Gore made a huge mistake by selecting Joementum Loserman as his VP candidate. Republicans will like him better than a more moderate or liberal democrat. But would it have inspired any of them to crossover? I don't think so. I don't have any proof, but my feeling is that republicans rarely crossover.

Bush has taught us a lesson. It doesn't matter how many people hate your guts. If you get loyalty from more people than those who hate you, that's good enough to get elected. It's not like you get 2 points for a 1st choice and 1 point for a 2nd choice on a multi choice ballot.

by Pravin 2005-02-04 12:17PM | 0 recs

permalink

Pelosi vs Jackson

http://www.simmins.org/Blog/2003_04_06_arch.html#92445819 shows how much Pelosi looks like Michael Jackson. The visual similarites may pale in comparison to their common emersion in alternate realities. Neither looks or behaves like they are from around here- meaning from planet earth.
Is this the best face for a rebuttal?

by CaptainMainline 2005-02-03 09:07AM | 0 recs