Off the Deep End

I'm at work, so I neither watched nor listened to the President's press conference this morning. However, reading select quotes from Hotline On Call and the transcript from CNN, it's become clear that the Bush Presidency has officially run off the rails. I say this because I found it stunning the number of times Bush struck out against public debate and government transparency as somehow a bad thing. It was, to my mind, the clearest example yet of Bush's fundamental hostility to the basic idea of accountability.

The fact that we're discussing this program is helping the enemy.
. . .
...an open debate about law would say to the enemy, "Here's what we're going to do."
. . .
Again, any public hearings on programs will say to the enemy, "Here's what they do. Adjust."

In other words, everyone needs to shut up and let the executive branch break the law, and if they don't, they're committing treason. No one is asking the President to talk about specifics, so the premise is total garbage, that his critics are somehow trying to force a public debate about each and every phone call the White House wants to listen in on. The debate here is about an ongoing policy. To say that exposure of this program somehow tipped off terrorists that American intelligence may be listening in on their phone calls is to assume that Al Qaeda was somehow unaware of FISA wiretaps. That is patently ridiculous.

There was apparently a lot of laughter during the press conference, according to the transcript. Call me stodgy, but I don't think there's too much humor to be found in extralegal wiretaps, the war in Iraq, or Hurricane Katrina. That said, there was one bit of Bush's press conference that did make me chuckle. Bush tells "an amazing story" about the nascent Iraqi democracy.

We had people, first-time voters -- or voters in the Iraqi election come in to see me in the Oval. They had just voted that day and they came in. It was exciting to talk to people.

And one person said, "How come you're giving Saddam Hussein a trial?"

I said, "First of all, it's your government, not ours."

She said, "He doesn't deserve a trial. You know, he deserves immediate death for what he did to my people."

And it just struck me about how strongly she felt about the need to not have a rule of law, that there needed to be quick retribution, that he didn't deserve it.

And I said to her, "Don't you see that the trial itself stands in such contrast to the tyrant that that in itself is a victory for freedom and a defeat for tyranny, just the trial alone, and it's important that there be rule of law?"

It's amazing to me that there can be such a disconnect in Bush's own head about this. He asks how an Iraqi cannot understand that "it's important that there be rule of law" while simultaneously arguing that the rule of law does not apply to him when it comes to domestic wiretaps. Like I said, it gave me a chuckle, but it really isn't funny.

At the end of the day, this is a matter of law. The President decided that he needed to circumvent the law in order to fight his war on terror the way he wanted to. That is a fact. Some Bush supporters will say the President didn't break any laws. That is a lie. Some Bush supporters will say that was within the President's authority to break the law. That too is a lie. The only matter up for debate now is whether the President should be held to account for usurping dictatorial powers in wartime. Some will say that he should not. I say that those people have forfeited their right to ever talk about "freedom,""democracy," or "liberty" in this or any other country around the world ever again.

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easy there...
"I say that those people have forfeited their right to ever talk about "freedom," "democracy," or "liberty" in this or any other country around the world ever again."

Pisses me off, too, but let's not become what we hate. Those people should certainly never be trusted or taken seriously again (then again, it's not like we trust them or take them particularly seriously now), but they absolutely deserve the right to advocate in favor of the kind of country they'd like to live in.

In fact, I'd like them to speak up a heckuva lot louder about how they'd like the United States to be a paranoid, secrecy-based totalitarian dictatorship.  I'm pretty sure that we've still got a majority against that vision of America.

by jkdism 2005-12-19 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: easy there...
Heh... For the record, I'm not actually in favor of doing anything to physically or legally take away that right.

Maybe I should have said they forfeit their credibility to talk about those things. But I think they've already lost their credibility on that front for the most part, anyway.

by Scott Shields 2005-12-19 11:02AM | 0 recs
Don't Back Down, You Had It Right The First Time
They have forfeited their right to talk about freedom, the rule of law, etc.  Their moral right, that is.

Remember Haiti?  Remember Florida?

by Paul Rosenberg 2005-12-19 11:38AM | 0 recs
Perception of U.S.
It's interesting, but when the Abu Ghraib crimes broke, and Don Rumsfeld was called in to Congress to testify, and rumors were floating around that he'd resign or be asked to resign, a little talked about topic was how this was being perceived in the Middle East.

By "this" I mean the fact that Rumsfeld was being called in to testify, not the scandal itself (which, understandably, overshadowed all else).

The fact that one of the highest ranking members of the Bush Admin was being called in to testify before Congress, and that he might be forced to resign, was amazing to most Arabs, as that level of accountability is never seen in their own countries.

The one thing which would go the farthest in helping both America's image in the Arab world, and spreading democracy and freedom there, is American democracy in action. Sadly, this president would like to undermine that very thing.

by LiberalFromPA 2005-12-19 09:04AM | 0 recs
That's Cuz Bush + Bin Laden Are On The Same Side
If we were actually fighting on the other side, bin Laden would have been week-old toast by the time of of the '04 elections.
by Paul Rosenberg 2005-12-19 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: That's Cuz Bush + Bin Laden Are On The Same Si
Absolutely!  AND Bin Laden is very likely long dead.  BushCo just needs to inflate a boogeyman every now and then so they try to breathe new life into his mythology.
by JamBoi 2005-12-19 01:14PM | 0 recs
The UnPrez on the ropes!
I fully agree with your take Mr. Sheilds.  I think many others also picked up on the president-of-peeve tone this morning and it will not play well.  This regime is unraveling under pressure.  Thank God!  Impeachment for the illegitimate (aka bastard), unelected resident of the White House.  These are high crimes and misdemeanors.  Democrats arise and stand up for liberty!
by JamBoi 2005-12-19 09:05AM | 0 recs
Paranoid Bush Administration
Channel 4 Television (London) are now showing a scathing news report on the paraniod Bush Administration that has illegally spied on it's own citizens. It does not paint the Bush Administration in any good light. Pity you cannot see it. It may go on the internet later.
by albagubrath 2005-12-19 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Paranoid Bush Administration
Here is the link

http://www.channel4.com/news/

Gay weddings started in Northern Ireland today, they start in Scotland tomorrow and England and Wales Wednesday. And the world has not ended!

by albagubrath 2005-12-19 09:10AM | 0 recs
a better parallel...
It's amazing to me that there can be such a disconnect in Bush's own head about this. He asks how an Iraqi cannot understand that "it's important that there be rule of law" while simultaneously arguing that the rule of law does not apply to him when it comes to domestic wiretaps.

or, um, to giving long-term detainees trials rather than just keeping them indefinitely or torturing them to death?

acm

by redfox1 2005-12-19 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: a better parallel...
Well, I'm specifically referring to things he talked about in this speech, but yeah, obviously your parallel works, too.
by Scott Shields 2005-12-19 11:04AM | 0 recs
The sad thing is
It would take a concerted effort on W and company to make his political credibility fall further down in 2006
by kmwray 2005-12-19 10:15AM | 0 recs
petition
Act for Change has a petition demandnig an investigation...pass it on!

Smintheus has now posted three diaries on Operation Flabbergasted:

Part I - Let's Watergate Bush

This cannot stand. In ordering the NSA to spy secretly on America, George Bush has overturned United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18, which prohibits domestic spying by NSA; violated the federal act which created the FISA court to oversee covert domestic investigations; and trampled upon the Fourth Amendment guarantee against warrantless searches. It cannot stand for a day, much less a month while Congress is in recess.

Friday, when Sen. Specter said he'd make investigating the allegations a top priority in January, it was barely possible to pretend that they might be false. But by Saturday's radio address, when Bush defended his policy and insisted it would continue, we had entered a full-blown constitutional crisis. George Bush would love for Congress to back down from a fight next week, to go home grumbling "Wait until next year."

Operation Flabbergasted:  We cannot let that happen. We have to ensure that by Monday, all hell has broken loose in D.C.


Part II - A Nation of Laws, Not Men

Part III - Take Back Your Country

by Cedwyn 2005-12-19 11:37AM | 0 recs
Understanding Bush In Terms of Freud
As explained in this handy-dandy crib sheet on defense mechanisma:
In psychoanalytic theory, defense mechanisms represent an unconscious mediation by the ego of id impulses which are in conflict with the wishes and needs of the ego and/or superego. By altering and distorting one's awareness of the original impulse, one makes it more tolerable.
And believe me, you really do need a crib sheet, if not a scorecard to keep track of this sort of stuff in the GOP today.

But what comes most immediately to mind in this case is a combination of two specific mechanisms:

Compartmentalization is a process of separating parts of the self from awareness of other parts and behaving as if one had separate sets of values. An example might be an honest person who cheats on their income tax return and keeps their two value systems distinct and unintegrated while remaining unconscious of the cognitive dissonance.

Compensation is a process of psychologically counterbalancing perceived weaknesses by emphasizing strength in other arenas. The "I'm not a fighter, I'm a lover" philosophy can be an example of compensation as can the Napoleonic complex.

It's compartmentalization that puts "democratizing Iraq" in one little box, and all Bush's dictatorial scheming into another one.  

But it's compensation that makes him yearn to be a champion of democracy, since he knows in his bones how much he really hates it, and he's learned from Karl Rove that you're not supposed to act that way in public.

by Paul Rosenberg 2005-12-19 11:53AM | 0 recs
Rule Number Two....
"Do as I say, not as I do." This follows rule #1..."Never admit to making a mistake or being wrong." Rule #1 was most recently adhered to in his last few "sell the war" speeches, where he took responsibility for some actions by others, but never admited to being wrong.
by blogus 2005-12-19 12:23PM | 0 recs
I remember watching the debates
and thinking to myself that surely the poorest performaces in the history of these events, particulaly the first, by a single candidate would put a dent in BushCo in the polls but it never happened.

I'm predicting a slight bounce in his poll ratings in the next few weeks. Everytime Bush gets up on the podium and whines about 9/11, he manages to raise enough sympathy to keep his lame ass in the game just a little longer.

Of course, everything his administration is doing is to protect us so it must be fine.  

   

by Seldom Seen Smith 2005-12-19 01:29PM | 0 recs
United Effort is what it will take.
ONLY, and I mean O N L Y through a united front in both houses of Congress can the Democrats finally put an effective wedge in the fear mongering politics that often helsp the Bushies cram their agenda down everyone elses throats. We are in the minority, but too many of our own vote contrary to what is right for the party as a whole -- and right now, this year, in this moment...what is right is defeating Bush at every turn on every issue!  

The problem we have is that too many Democrats fail to see that they must unite and put aside our own party infighting in order to actually be effective. One thing the Repukelicans have learned is to stick together no matter what. This is how they quash Democratic dissent. This is also where Democrats have failed to take a card out of the opposition's playbook.

Until we can stand together as a party and stop allowing debates over Abortion, Gay Rights and other devisive issues pull the party apart, we will remain forever marginalized under the control of this Nazi like regime. A regime that seeks to destroy civil liberties and quash dissent at all levels...AND blur the lines between Church and State until we live in a Theocracy like Iran -- only with Christian dictators rather than Muslims.

Liberal, Secular Democrats Unite and Conquere!!! For divided, we remain in the back seat for many years to come.

Dr. J.  

by DrJoeGladden 2005-12-19 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: United Effort is what it will take.
"Liberal, Secular Democrats Unite and Conquere!!! For divided, we remain in the back seat for many years to come"

What? You got no room for us Christian leftist supporters of the Constitution AND a society that treats the working class the way jesus said we should? Just because Bill Frist thinks jesus is for bigotry and and trashing the Constitution and destroying all the social and economic progress we've made since the New Deal doesn't mean every Christian does.

Keith

by keith johnson 2005-12-19 05:34PM | 0 recs

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