More perspective on "we" and "our" of DFA

There's a podcast of Joe Trippi on the web now (transcript), relating to the whole bruhaha that Zephyr's blog posts began; in short, it's great hearing Trippi, and he doesn't backup the accusations (though he does clarify where Zephyr might have been confused).  Neither does Mathew Gross backup her accusation against DFA, in fact he shoots it down:Regarding the suggestion that is still swirling around the blogosphere regarding the role that Markos and Jerome played on the Dean campaign: Laura Gross (no relation) is 100% correct when she says:

[T]hese guys were hired as technical consultants. Specifically, they helped the Web team pick a technology platform for the blog (Movable Type) and helped manage Internet advertising (banner ads, Google ads, etc.). They weren't paid to write content -- either for the campaign or on their own blogs. And just in case there was any ambiguity, the campaign made sure they had a notice saying "I am a paid consultant for Howard Dean" right smack on the front of their personal blogs.

As for the accusation that we had any other "internal goal": As is well known, I was the Director of Internet Communications and "Blogger in Chief" for the Dean campaign. To my knowledge, there was never any internal expectation that either Markos or Jerome would provide anything other than technical or advertising advice or services, and those were the only services they did provide.And to even further clarify, I directed and mananged all of the online advertising campaigns and expenditures for DFA. The "technical consulting" that Markos did for the campaign included building out the ForumForAmerica.com website, which Murshed Zaheed managed; Markos was to build out the 50 state websites through MT, but Zephyr decided we should build them by developing Drupal's platform from the groundup instead (so only a few wound up actually happening); and after migrating DailyKos.com onto Scoop from MT, he proposed that BFA be migrated onto Scoop under his advice, but some on the webteam (not I) feared that Scoop couldn't scale. ha!

What's left of this now? The accusations of Zephyr Teachout did not pan out, neither were they ever confirmed, and now have been contraditcted by the person who hired us, Joe Trippi, and the Blogger in Chief of the Dean Campaign, Mathew Gross. I do believe that the Wall Street Journal, which did not acquire a confirmation of Zephyr Teachout's accusations against DFA, should now retract their story.

Update (Chris): This is, um, interesting:

The blogging scandal that wasn't.

Lots of blogging goin' on claiming that this article says the Dean campaign is paying independent bloggers for their kind words. Suspects named in various blog commentary range from Oliver Willis to Glenn Reynolds.

Not so, says Dean blogger Zephyr Teachout. "We have one paid fulltime blogger, that's Matt Gross. I am a paid staffer, I blog sometimes, but mostly do online organizing." She says nobody who is not a staffer gets paid to blog for Dean.

I also asked Alex Bolton, the staff writer at The Hill who wrote the article, if he meant to imply that any blogger other than those appearing on the Dean campaign weblog is getting paid by the campaign. "No," said Bolton. "I meant people contributing to Dean's own site."

Ed Cone wrote this back in October of 2003.

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16 Comments

Swiftboating Dean
We KNOW the accusations are not true.  Or were miscovered or misrepresented to begin with.

The issue now is to stop the coverage of them, because these journalists all source each other and cover coverage now instead of doing investigation.

What is happening NOW is that WSJ has a link up to their "dead story" (so characterized by a WSJ letter to Laura Gross, cited in DFA blog comment by Laura today) ON THEIR HOMEPAGE RIGHT NOW, 2 links linking readers to this high traffic volume "dead story."

Dean is being swiftboated.  It's what they do.  We must all object to this, and keep fighting non-truth.

by Patricia Taylor 2005-01-15 11:19AM | 0 recs
Podcasting...
Listening to it right now -- I recommend it to everyone.

The first 2 minutes are even entertaining although it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Let it also be said that this is a greatest use of "rapid response" podcasting I have seen/heard this far.

Even "casey" the head of canine outreach for the Dean campaign is heard on the subject.

Tim

by Tim Tagaris 2005-01-15 11:24AM | 0 recs
Don't Hold Your Breath
Question:

Will the WSJ to retract a story because it had no factual basis?

Clue:  

Whitewater

by James Earl 2005-01-15 11:26AM | 0 recs
False accusation by right wing? How unusual
Gee, that only happens almost every time Republicans open their mouths to speak.
by afs 2005-01-15 11:30AM | 0 recs
What's not been said in the comments
Jerome, welcome to the big time. You've now officially arrived as a true danger to the right. They have called you out and gone after your reputation in classic fashion.

You will survive this easily I'm sure, and your readership will grow because of it.

But right now I'm sure it can't be much fun having your reputation questioned, especially over completely bogus charges.

Hang in there and keep up the good fight. It would seem the whole blogosphere is behind you and Markos.

by michael in chicago 2005-01-15 11:32AM | 0 recs
Is there a place where we can send letters to WSJ?
And plus, we all think that this was sent by the right wing. Anyone think this could have been sent out by the DLC to try to bring down Dean's run for chairmanship?
by sam89 2005-01-15 11:55AM | 0 recs
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by crb 2005-01-15 01:49PM | 0 recs
revalation
Zephyr's a liar. wow. Whodathunk. Anyway, the highminded Berkman center has a blog over there I commented on. What fucking green planet does Rebecca MacKinnon live on where this is "hot" and "the latest hoopla", man, talk about an ivory tower world. I gave her a piece of my mind in the comments.
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-01-15 02:13PM | 0 recs
What I said
Here's what I said on my blog:
:See Glenn's additional posts here, including notes from Jerome that he quit blogging during this time and responses from Kos. Here's Zephyr's folo. : On Lehrer's show, I made something clear I'll make clearer here: Kos and MyDD didn't do anything wrong (one put up a disclosure, the other stopped blogging). That's not the point of the discussion. If anybody did anything wrong in this, it could be argued that the Dean campaign did by trying to buy the voice of the bloggers (even though they already had their strong support). But that's not the real point, either. The points that Zephyr raises about our opportunity to define our culture and how the expectations of our public are what interest me. That's worth discussing (without all the brickbats back and forth from the various partisans here; I'm separate from that because I never backed Dean and you couldn't have paid me to).
by jeffjarvis 2005-01-15 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: What I said
Jeff, the post directed toward you for response is here:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/1/15/123757/883
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-01-15 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: What I said
Yes, with this comment, I was actually responding to that post but got lost somewhere in the Scoop registration maze. Sorry about that.
by jeffjarvis 2005-01-15 04:38PM | 0 recs
Letter to WSJ
I posted my letter to WSJ on the next thread here.
by Patricia Taylor 2005-01-15 04:15PM | 0 recs
Suggestions, after Z's response
Zephyr has a new response up
http://zonkette.blogspot.com/2005/01/response.html

Specifically, seems to alter her accusation slightly, to say the issue is they paid you guys 'not to go to Clark'.  Says there were conversations to this effect and you confirmed recently over IM that these took place.  
So, the issue seems to be, does 'going to Clark' mean saying positives about Clark, making Dean/Clark comparisons that favor Clark ... or doing netroots technical consulting work and networking/contact sharing with Clark ... or making such knowledge generally available, including to Clark.

I have no knowledge of it all, but how does the following sound as a possible summary of what went on:

Armstrong/Zuniga(A/Z) had respected internet voices as bloggers, as well as having particular technical knowledge (about software, web sites, traffic building, advertising, linking, human networking) needed to make blogging successful.  They were also reform Democrats who had become Dean enthusiasts.

Dean people wanted A/Z on the campaign team.

Dean people wanted this technical expertise to themselves, in order to define their campaign as the most netrootsy, and to leverage the net for fundraising, organizing, rapid response, etc.  They did not want other campaigns to get ahead in this field.
Some Dean people felt that getting this team on board, meant convincing A/Z or keeping A/Z convinced or praying that A/Z would not become unconvinced of the superiority of Dean.  Some Dean people may have felt that with one fell swoop of hiring A/Z as technical gurus, they were also bonding with them, bringing them into the family, honoring them as net/blogging gurus, and that this would perhaps also encourage A/Z to stay connected with the aliveness/excitement of that campaign and to continue to trust/believe in the viability of Dean as a reform Dem candidate.  Ie, A/Z would see first-hand that Dean was about a truly netroots campaign.  A/Z would be given the exciting opportunity to help build the world's first netroots campaign and get paid something for doing this (not much but more than lowly campaign staff).  Dean would get world-class net consulting.  

These Dean folks may have also felt that A/Z would by osmosis somehow bring about good net communication outcomes to the Dean campaign, although A/Z were not hired to actually write, edit or review writing for the campaign, were not integrated into in any campaign message roll-outs, were not fed talking points (though of course A/Z were aware of all campaign's talking points), were not brought into campaign message strategy planning sessions, etc.  There was perhaps a feeling that something about how one relates to website visitors, how one presents the site, would result in a friendly relationship between Dean and the netcentric populace.  Thus transfer of successful communication skills and style were part of what was hoped for.
A/Z were not told what to say, not scolded or encouraged for what they were saying or not saying about Dean or his policies.
A/Z as bloggers, were not political voices for the Dean campaign.

On the other hand Kos of A/Z did keep blogging, with a disclosure, during this time.  And he had been previously, was at that time, and continues to be today, a fierce advocate for reformist Dem positions.  Many of these positions were also advocated by Dean, his campaign, but also by Greens, Independents and a variety of non-Dean Dem primary candidates.  Thus Kos was an ideological fellow traveller with many folks in the Dean campaign, and was blogging about the same political issues, from that ideological position.

However, there is no evidence whatsoever, of a single instance of Kos blogging any differently than he had been previously or did subsequently to A/Z working for Dean.  He continues to this day, with the same general political point of view, that he had before, during and after the gig.  He evolves like any other writer/thinker, but there was no noticeable shift around the edges of the gig.  Dean as a candidate has come and gone, Kos as a commentator remains.

The final possible question seems to be, had the A/Z gig with Dean not existed, might Kos not have strayed from Dean affinity more significantly during those particular months?  In other words, did that income flow or contract cause him to be less fickle?
One would have to read all his posts and get inside his thinking at the time, maybe a biographer can do it someday!  Available evidence suggests that he calls em like he sees em, and does not think much of ossified social conventions.  Thus one would suspect he would have said whatever he wanted, and if necessary would even have walked from the contract, if he had felt encumbered.

What's left, is Kos could describe his thinking at the time.  A/Z could talk about whether they were aware of the 'don't go to Clark' thread, to what degree, and how much it seemed to matter to themselves, or from their perspective to the Dean folks.  For one thing, seems like even if such talk had not happened, it would still have been reasonable to assume that any campaign would want exclusivity, and would be praying for positive blogs from well-known bloggers.  A/Z could address, did Z and A discuss these issues amongst themselves, and did A think Z should better not blog?

Although this episode is sad and painful and largely pointless, it could be used as an informative starting point for addressing how netcentric individuals, who often do have technical, political and literary strengths, can or should navigate these waters.  Not necessarily with a moral code or a law, but just within their own minds.

by jimpol 2005-01-15 04:56PM | 0 recs
Another new Z response, worth reading
http://zonkette.blogspot.com/2005/01/frequently-asked-questions.html

Says she's writing a letter to WSJ editor!
:)

by jimpol 2005-01-15 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Another new Z response, worth reading
I am done with her now. With both Joe Trippi's and Mathew Gross' response, she's been shown to be an opportunistic liar, and that's all there is to say about her, finis.
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-01-15 05:33PM | 0 recs
I'll agree with her on this
14. Are you criminally stupid?

Yes.

I'll choose to assume she's just an idiot, and didn't intentionally try to slander you, Kos, or the Dean campaign-although it sure looks like that's what she was doing.

by Geotpf 2005-01-16 08:41PM | 0 recs

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