Predict the Presidential Election

Amateurs on the web are not the only people trying to project the results of the Presidential election. As Charlie Cook notes, many academics are doing exactly the same thing. Well, I shouldn't say "exactly the same thing," because what they are doing is trying to predict the presidential election right now, while all of the people I link on the President 2004 page will be regularly updating their projections. In fact, the academics are the real predictors, while we amateurs are just trying to give accurate snapshots: Depending on which numbers you find most persuasive, you can convince yourself that President Bush is virtually certain to be re-elected or will surely lose in November. The vast majority of political scientists and economists who forecast elections based on computer models will be presenting their papers at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association this week in Chicago, and they are projecting a Bush victory over Sen. John Kerry -- in a landslide, some say. Other analysts, myself included, think Bush faces an uphill struggle. In the spirit of friendly competition, I am going to go ahead and offer my best guess of the final 2004 election results right now. In the comments, I encourage people to do the same:
        %	    EV
Kerry: 51.8  327
Bush:  46.2  211
Other: 2.0    0
Kerry wins all the Gore states plus FL, MO, NV, NH and OH. I base this prediction on the long-term trial heat mean that has shown Bush stuck at just below 45 since late April, the partisan index, and undecideds breaking 60-40 in favor of Kerry as a result of the Incumbent Rule. Also, this is the result I have seen appear more often than any other during my own projections.

Step right up and make your guess. I have alaso made a permanent link to this thread on the President 2004 page.

Tags: General 2008 (all tags)

Comments

36 Comments

Re: BUSH LANDSLIDE
Stop using caps
by Chris Bowers 2004-08-30 09:18AM | 0 recs
too early
its too early to predict the electoral vote outcome...it could be a kerry landslide

read all about it here
http://realmichaud.tripod.com/2004Blog/

by realmichaud 2004-08-30 09:52AM | 0 recs
Kerry 49.4% Bush 48.7% Others 1.9%
Kerry wins Electoral Vote 280-258 by carrying the Gore states plus Florida and New Hampshire, but losing Wisconsin.
by Keith Brekhus 2004-08-30 09:54AM | 0 recs
Kerry
rather easily in the end.

Kerry 50.8%, Bush 46.5% - not sure about the electoral college, but a 4% victory SHOULD be enough to do it.

Ben P

by Ben P 2004-08-30 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Predict the Presidential Election
Kerry will not win a majority of the popular vote.  Bush will have 20%+ margins all over the red states, keeping his popular vote numbers close.

49.8% Kerry, 47.4% Bush
Badnarik out-polls Nader 2:1.

Major party undecideds break 67% to Kerry (it'll be more like 4 Kerry, 2 Bush, 1 Badnarik, 1 Other - but the 2:1 Kerry:Bush ratio is the important part).  

Current likely voter models are off by at least 1.5%, due to a massive swing in partisan enthusiasm (many Dems who dejectedly stayed home in 2000 will turn out; many Reps who voted in 2000 won't), a surge in voter registrations (folks who necessarily did NOT vote last time but who ARE energized about the election), and a significant swing in overseas ballots from angry anti-Bush expatriates and an unhappy military (small increases in Kerry votes over Gore; large decline in Bush votes).

80% chance: Kerry wins all Gore states + Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire.  296-242

20% chance: Kerry wins Ohio.  If Kerry wins Ohio, he will also win West Virginia, Tennessee, and Missouri.  343-195

by Silent E 2004-08-30 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: BUSH LANDSLIDE
Mr. Keyes, please go back to Illinois.

Or Alabama.

Or Maryland.

Or the planet Zorton in the Flaegh galaxy.

Or wherever the hell you are from.

by Geotpf 2004-08-30 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Kerry wins modestly
I like this one.  I'll agree with it-although I think Nader will be over Cobb in the race for the far left.
by Geotpf 2004-08-30 12:26PM | 0 recs
The 3rd-party race
Nader has the name recognition, but Cobb should be on the ballot in many more states. I give the edge to Nader, but it'll be close.

Badnarik will be on the ballot in even more states, plus he'll get a few votes from disaffected R's as well as antiwar lefties. Thus he'll probably win the 3rd-party popular vote.

by Mathwiz 2004-08-31 10:02AM | 0 recs
e.d.m.
(this one is more with my heart than my head):

Kerry 342 EV, 51.1% PV
Bush  196 EV, 46.0% PV

Kerry wins the Gore states, plus AZ, OH, MO, NH, and (narrowly)WV.  Kerry also narrowly loses NC and VA.

Texeira's "Democratic Majority" arrives earlier than expected.

by matty fred 2004-08-30 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: 342 for Kerry
This is the number I came up with, too. I live in AZ and many people here are not happy with Bush. We'll see if they get out to vote.

One advantage to being out West is that I don't have to stay up too late to see votes counted. If I see some of those Eastern close ones like VA or OH get called blue then the champagne gets popped early. If I see TN or NC go blue then I can really start to party because it's gonna be landslide time.

by phalanges 2004-08-31 02:58PM | 0 recs
Kerry wins 50%+
Kerry + FL, OH, TN, NH, no losses from 2000

Kerry 322 (50.8%)
Bush 216  (48.7%)
Nader     <.2%

by monkey3203 2004-08-30 01:26PM | 0 recs
Hail mary
Somehow I've got the feeling that Bush 43 will end up with 43% (poetic justice).

So, Kerry 55, Bush 43, others 2.

Where's the evidence that my feelings aren't as good a predictor as polls?

by JimPortlandOR 2004-08-30 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Hail mary
That's my dream finish too. Man it would be sweet. That would net at least 396 EV's, and possibly 436.
by Chris Bowers 2004-08-30 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: he's a two termer
No way.

Simple math:

Last election was a tie-so any loss of support (even if it's realatively minor, means Bush loses).

A few people who voted for Bush last time will vote for Kerry this time (large numbers of Arabs and small but significant numbers of Log Cabin Republicans, Moderate Republicans, Moderate Independents).

Almost nobody who voted for Gore last time will vote for Bush this time.

The Democratic GOTV machine is working overtime this time; plus Democrats are more motivated this time that last.

The Republicans will have a hard time getting moderate Republicans and Fiscal Conservatives to care enough to vote (plus some will vote Kerry, or Badnarik).

Nader is much less strong, with a significant amount of his former support going to Kerry and nearly none to Bush.

Add all that up, and I can't see Bush winning.  Whether it's a squeaker or a landslide is up in the air, but I think Kerry is going to win one way or the other.

by Geotpf 2004-08-30 02:30PM | 0 recs
Kerry Wins!
BTW, Chris and Jerome, I believe a special MyDD t-shirt should be produced as a reward to the best prognosticator.

Kerry - 51.1%
Bush - 47.1%

In an election so close with differences so stark, few who show up will be willing to vote for a 3rd party/Ind candidate.

Kerry - 294 EVs (Gore + OH, NH, NV, WV)
Bush - 244

Kerry loses unexpectedly by razor thin margins in FL, VA, NC, AR, AZ, and TN.  

Bush will "win" Florida by fewer than 10,000 votes.  Voting irregularities in the state will be so widespread and egregious that multiple federal investigations will be launched, leading to several indictments and resignations.  Jeb Bush will not run for Pres. in 2008.  

by danielj 2004-08-30 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Predict the Presidential Election
Kerry: 51.4% 332 (Gore+NH+WV+OH+FL+MO+NV)
Bush:  46.2% 206
Nader:  0.7%
Others: 1.7%
Turnout: 57%

The election-eve polls show Bush and Kerry dead even, which significantly the urgency of GOTV efforts among panicking Dems.  But luckily for Dems as well--because GOP voters will also vote in droves--undecideds break 70-30 against Bush.    Turnout helps Dems significantly downballot as well.  Dems pick up Senate seats in IL, CO, OK and AK while only losing GA and SC.  Dems win the runoff in LA in December and the MA special election in Spring '05 for a 50-49 (51-49 with Jeffords) control of the Senate.  Unfortunately, the Freepers have a locked-in advantage with gerrymandered districts for us to have much of a chance of winning the House back, although there's I think a 25-30% chance this election could turn in the end into an anti-GOP incumbent Reaganesque election.  In which case, Kerry's popular vote totals could reach upwards of 53-54% and his EV totals could swell to nearly 400 as narrow states like VA, NC, TN, and AR in the South and AZ and CO in the West join the Kerry bandwagon.

by jsramek 2004-08-30 05:48PM | 0 recs
Decisive victory for Kerry, but no landslide
Wow, I've been so caught up in tracking the e.c. status on a daily basis that it's been a while since I actually thought about what I think the likely result in November will be.

In the end, my prediction is similar to Chris', except that I don't think Kerry will take Missouri (thus stopping Missouri's string as a bellweather state) and Nevada, but that he will get West Virginia.  

So, Kerry takes the Gore states plus FL, NH, OH, and WV for a total of 316 electoral votes to Bush's 222.

I don't really track the popular vote, so the most I can say about it is that Kerry will get more popular votes than Bush.  As I wrote here, I expect Kerry's victory to be decisive, but not a landslide.

by Ed Fitzgerald 2004-08-30 06:19PM | 0 recs
Is Bush the GOP's Carter?
I've been thinking along similar lines. The odds are against it, but "don't be surprised if" Bush loses in an electoral (though not a popular) landslide.

In some ways, this election reminds me of the Reagan v. Carter 1980 election. In both cases, the country is facing an embarrassing foreign crisis (the hostages in Carter's case, the Iraq quagmire in Bush's), and in both cases, the polls have consistently shown an almost evenly-divided electorate.

In 1980, Carter remained competitive until the very last minute, when it became obvious the hostages weren't coming home, at which point his support collapsed and he lost 50%-43%. Something similar could happen to Bush when it becomes clear to even the most out-of-touch voters that our soldiers aren't coming home from Iraq anytime soon.

The big difference between this election and 1980, though, is that Kerry is no Reagan. Reagan boldly pushed the GOP agenda during the 1980 campaign, while Kerry seemingly prefers Clintonian "triangulation." I hope that doesn't prove to be his undoing.

by Mathwiz 2004-08-31 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: wet blanket
I actually don't think there will be massive organized voter fraud, of the "hack the voting machine" type.  It's possible, but unlikely.  More likely are your usual fear mongering to attempt minorities to not vote, etc.-but that's not much different than in years past.

If there is massive voter fraud (or other SUPREMELY dirty tricks, like actually faking a terrorist incident), then there is nothing we can do (other than win by such a landslide that that's impossible).

I think that if it ever comes out that this election was rigged, civil war will break out.  I hope the Republicans realize this too, and for the good of the country, make no attempts at such.  If the president wins re-election via frauduant means, his life expectancy will drop significantly.  I hope he realizes this.

by Geotpf 2004-08-30 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: C'mon folks...
Kerry still has a good chance to win if he loses OH, FL, AND MO.

Bush basically can't win (without supreme weirdness occuring) without winning at least two of them.

by Geotpf 2004-08-31 06:19AM | 0 recs
West Coast Predition

Kerry      52.0
Bush       47.0
Nader >   1.0
Other >   1.0

EV
wins Gore states
Kerry takes OH, Nevada
loses FL-

Theory

(1) An econmic slowdown has already begun and cannot be masked. Oil price increases will work their way into higher gas prices and home heating fuel prices by the Fall. In some pat of the country where home fuel prices are going to spike, the GOP will be as popular as a mild social disease. look for regional GOP losses at the state level.

(2) Bush has no cross over appeal. Gore voters are voting for Kerry. New voters are voting for Kerry. Nader is no loner important. Therefore Bush gets his same share as in 2000.

(2) The "there you again" moment is about to happen- but in reverse. Bush sis actually a good debater, because allot of people feel an affinity to his personaliy- but he has weaknesses and Kerry will exploit them. remember- gore was a bit of a political klutz, kerry is a pretty smoothe guy and has not lost the court room touch. the primaries may have sharpened him up a little too. Bush is a like an indoor cat- his skill s are their but dulled by splendid isolation.

Congress

Senate  Dems win contol, p/u net 3 seats
House Demans p/u net 7 seats-

Kerry has enough of a poular vote win to lev. moderate GOP house members into something of a governing coalition that will last about a year as GOP House members turn on their leadership.

by FortVancouverUSACalling 2004-08-31 07:24AM | 0 recs
The Debates
My sense is that Bush needs to be either tied or leading going into the debates.  I think he can play defense, or do okay in the "not as bad as I thought" expectations game, but he can't take it away from Kerry if he's trailing just by saying "we're turning the corner" or "our enemies hate freedom."  
by danielj 2004-08-31 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Predict the Presidential Election
In Daschle's defense, he's from a very conservative state (SD) and pretty much has to continually run to the right to stay in office.

That said, I agree he shouldn't be Senate Democratic leader. That position should go to someone who's in the middle of the Democratic party (which pretty much lets out any Democrat from a Red state).

A good Democratic leader should be more liberal than DLC Democrats like Sens. Clinton, Lieberman, and Feinstein, but not as liberal as Sens. Kennedy or Feingold.

Kerry would've been good, but I don't want to even think about the possibility of four more years of Bush/Cheated, so I'm going to assume Kerry defeats Bush in Nov. Still, that leaves quite a few good candidates, such as Sen. Boxer or Schumer.

by Mathwiz 2004-08-31 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Kerry Deck of Cards
Kerry gets 295 E.V. and 49.97% of the electoral vote.

You mean 49.97% of the popular vote, right? 295 E.V. is 54.83% of the electoral vote by definition.

by Mathwiz 2004-08-31 09:52AM | 0 recs
Re: wet blanket
Yeah I know, and I worried about the last two statements after I posted them.  I wouldn't be the one doing any of this.  I'm saying SOMEBODY out there would, unfortuantly.
by Geotpf 2004-08-31 10:16AM | 0 recs
Rough guess
Popular vote:

Kerry   49%
Bush    46%
Badnarik 2.5%
Nader    1.5%
Others   1%

Electoral College

Kerry  280
Bush   258

(Same as Chris except FL & OH, which I expect to be stolen - but to no avail)

Senate remains 51R-48D-1I. (Dems pick up IL, AK, CO but lose SC, GA, and one of NC, LA, or MA special election.)
Dems pickup 4 House seats, not enough to regain control

Outside chance of a Dem landslide, picking up the Senate in the bargain.

by Mathwiz 2004-08-31 10:52AM | 0 recs
Kerry landslide
Kerry 52.8%  404EV
Bush 44.7%   134EV
Nader 0.8%
Badnarik 1.5%
Others 0.2%

Kerry wins New England, NY, PA, NJ, MD, DC, OH, MI, FL, NC, SC, VA, WV, IL, IA, MO, TN, AR, WI, MN, HI, CA, OR, NV, NM, AZ, WA, CO

by SP 2004-08-31 01:43PM | 0 recs
Electoral Tie
There is a strong possibility that the political race will end up in an electoral tie:

Kerry: 269
Bush:  269

I predict that the 2004 election be very similar to the 2000 election in a sense that most the electoral votes will end up the same.  

The only difference is that NV and NH will swing Kerry this election and thus will make the electoral vote tied.

Kerry has had a lead in the polls in New Hampshire over the last few months and will easily take it.  Nevada will be a close call this election and the polls have shown it.  It will be a close call all the way up to November but I think Kerry will take it.  

Critical States that Kerry must retain this election that are a close call are Pennsylvania and New Mexico.

If Kerry won Flordia or Colorado in this scenario, then the election would go to Kerry.

by SeaTac22 2004-09-12 09:45AM | 0 recs
BUSH LANDSLIDE
BUSH     53%  
KERRY    45%  
OTHERS    2%

bush does ok in the debates and the media   declares him the winner because he didn`t screw up.he gets a dukakis like win and takes minn , iowa, nh,wisc and pa. away from democrats.also congress becomes more republican and in 4 years we will be fighting in iran and maybe korea  along with iraq.since we will be in a perpetual war for now on the republicans stay in power until at least 2016.maybe it`s all a bad dream!

by EXBUSHVOTER 2004-09-12 04:51PM | 0 recs
sorry
i meant kerry gets a dukakis like loss
by EXBUSHVOTER 2004-09-12 04:52PM | 0 recs
sorry
i meant kerry gets a dukakis like loss
by EXBUSHVOTER 2004-09-12 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: sorry
heh, you had it right the first time (kind a got lost in those talking points, eh?)
by Jerome Armstrong 2004-09-12 05:05PM | 0 recs
Final Tally
My Prediction:

Popular Vote
Bush  49.4%
Kerry 48.6%
Others 2%

Electoral College
Bush 261
Kerry 277 (Kerry wins all Gore states but loses Wisconsin and wins Florida)

Result: Kerry wins w/majority Electoral Vote, loss in the Popular Vote

This will come after another year 2000-like disaster.  Computerized vote totals will be disputed across the country, causing mass chaos.  Kerry will be elected President with enough electoral college votes but Republicans - completely ignoring Bush's similar election 4 years ago - will complain Kerry "stole" the election.

by detclsw 2004-09-12 08:54PM | 0 recs
cautiously optimistic - Kerry
I really have to ignore the polls - no one's called me...  absentee oversees ballot - not polled, black voters - not polled, 18-25 year olds not polled.

My prediction (hope) : undecideds won't be a factor,  the debates will tighten up the polls (because the media wants drama) and ultimately turnout will be significant - Blacks will turn out in force (usually democrats) and the 18-26 group (realizing the possibility of a draft, I think 26 being the cut off), will prove their lack of interest enlisting and vote against Bush.
they are the neglected demographic.  In the end I'm guessing

Kerry 50%
Bush 49%

but it will be contested so it won't be final until December.

by robbuck 2004-09-13 08:07AM | 0 recs
it'll be a squeaker
Kerry 49.5%
Bush 47%
Nader 3.5%

Kerry will win all the Gore states minus FL, and he will add NH and CO. EV will be 273-265. Kerry will lose by paper thin margins in OH,FL,VA,NV,AK,MO,TN,WV and AZ.

by post it 2004-09-19 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Predict the Presidential Election
Kerry will win the election, but it will very close.
             EV
Kerry 51%    291
Bush  49%    247  

Kerry will win all the states which Gore won in 2000 with the exception of WI. He will win NH by 5%, win IA by 2%, win FL by 3% and win NV by 2%.  He will Ohio by 2%, Virginia by 3%, Wisconsin by 1%, Missouri by 6% and Arizona by 5%.

by ronaltman 2004-09-25 06:32AM | 0 recs

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