Using 2006 to set up 2008

A number of Republicans who are up for reelection in 2006 have their sights set on a run for the white house in 2008. One of the many, many important tasks we face in 2006 is to seriously damage GOP chances in 2008 by taking out, or at least heavily tarnishing, their list of potential contenders.
  • Bill Frist. As I understand it, he is not running for re-election in 2006, in order to set up his Presidential run. We need to snag his seat in Tennessee in order to make him look bad. I imagine that Harold Ford Jr. is going to be our candidate.

  • Jeb Bush. Not the easiest task in the world, but we need to do something to take the Florida statehouse.

  • Rick Santorum. I'm drooling at the prospect of taking this guy out anyway. Perhaps Bob Casey would be the best bet...

  • Mitt Romney. I doubt he would run in 2008, or even have a chance if he did, but he must be made to pay for his sins anyway.

  • Bill Owens. Colorado is trending blue. Taking out Owens would be a huge step in the right direction in so, so many ways.

  • George Pataki. He probably stands no chance at the Republican nomination anyway, but taking back the NY statehouse and holding Hillary's Senate seat are both imperative. Hopefully Schumer and Spitzer will not engage in a bloody Democratic primary for the governorship in NY.

Who am I missing? What other big name Republicans who might run in 2008 do we need to defeat preemptively?

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120 Comments

I dont know if you know
But Jeb is term limited and he wont run for re-election. So it will be an open race.
by jp2 2004-11-06 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I dont know if you know
Owens is also in his second term, but even if he wasn't, he's infinately bulletproof in CO.
by Mr Moderate 2004-11-06 12:52PM | 0 recs
Owens bulletproof?
Hardly.  He's taking the blame for the GOP debacle in the state Legislature, and for good reason.  I'll bet he's delighted term limits give him an excuse not to have to run again.  He'd lose and then his presidential pipe dream would really be over.
by Colorado Luis 2004-11-06 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Owens bulletproof?
You're right he is taking heat not only for the Democratic take over of the state house in CO but in ballott initiatives he backed that lost. The fiscal mismanagement in Colorado falls right to Owens and the legislature as Bill has tried to just keep his nose clean while waiting for higher office to call. The state budget problems kill his strong fiscal conservative image he tries to sell especially when you see what Hickenlooper has been able to do with Denver's budget problems in only one year.
by joeferguson 2004-11-07 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I dont know if you know
jeb in 08?

he may be a sotto voce popular governor.. but i can think of 50,000,000 reasons why he is damaged goods in a presidential election

by bluebudda 2004-11-06 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I dont know if you know
Jeb said he wouldn't run.  But then again, you know how the Bushes are with that "truth thing"...
by wilder 2004-11-06 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I dont know if you know
Don't trust the "won't run" speech. Former Gov. Engler here in Michigan said the same thing once (maybe twice, actually), then ran again. He finally stepped down and our Dem. Gov. Granholm stepped up.
by Green Irishboy 2004-11-06 03:30PM | 0 recs
Jeb has the inside track
I don't think the anti-Bush vote of 2004 would affect Jeb much.  Perhaps the sentiment is better labeled as anti-Dubya due to Dubya's mistakes, stupidity, arrogance, neo-conservatism, etc.  I don't think people would equate the two Bush brothers as they would, say, Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton.

Though Jeb is conservative and arrogant, he's also smarter than Dubya and has fewer skeletons in his closet. And though I dislike his policies including "no taxes is good taxes", he probably has been a better governor than was Dubya. He also probably is better on environment topics than Dubya--not good, just better.

As Florida is a swing state and as Jeb easily won his 2002 re-election, I think he will have appeal to swing voters. And, his last name would give him a great boost to those already devoted to Dubya.

Currently I have little hope for greater Dem strength in the Florida legislature over the next two years. Voters are not motivated to make a change and redistricting protects incumbents.
One good thing is the old guard of Dem legislative leadership is leaving. They rarely provided an opposition voice to the Republicans and hopefully the new Dem leadership will serve the role of opposition party more ably. Most/many Floridians are disappointed with the legislature but the Dems' legislative leadership did not give the public a visible alternative.

Just being realistic about Jeb's chances.  I wish they were worse but if I were a betting person, I'd put money on him accepting the Republican nomination in 2008.

Perhaps the only thing that can ruin his chances are a failed, scandle-ridden Dubya administration over the next four years. I think those odds are even.

by sawgrass727 2004-11-06 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Jeb has the inside track
I can't see Jeb being able to take out Frist or McCain.  Plus, I disagree with the association.  People in Illinois put the two together just like people in the south put Bill and Hillary.  Jeb's chances depend on W's performance.  If W continues his reign of mediocrity, people will definately develop Bush fatigue, much like the way they had Clinton Fatigue in 2000.  2008 will be close again, as Florida will not be in play for a Jeb run unless Jeb really screws up in the next two years.  On the bright side, it lets us concentrate hard on Ohio, the midwest, Virginia, and the Southwest.  Plus we can still bring some fight to Florida (if it was Jeb) and force him to spend.

My guess is either Frist or McCain will be the nominee with Guiliani as a dark horse (although I still can't see people electing a mayor...maybe if he was a one term governor or senator...True NY city is bigger than some of the states out there, but still...)  The rest will go down in flames.  

by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Jeb has the fast track? No way......
I'd put my money on a McCain/Guiliani ticket.  I think that much too much has been made about this Bush win.  Bush was not (an will not be) great - we just made some really major mistakes, i.e., saying that knowing what we know now, we would still have voted for the War in Iraq!  The answer should have been more forthright and honest, "I believed the word of the President when he told me that we were in immediate danger -- that Iraq had WMDs and was harboring terrorists - so, knowing that none of that is true, I would NOT have voted to send our troops into Iraq."  

Anyway, I think the Republican ticket will most likely be McCain/Guiliani.

by elscal 2004-11-08 11:09AM | 0 recs
A couple of things
  1. George Allen might have a tough race if Warner runs against him. But all signs point to Warner running for President in 2008. I like him better as our nominee than as a senator frankly.
  2. VT, RI, and CT all have GOP governors. That's cant happen. Jim Douglas got by in VT, a state that went to Kerry by 20. Cercieri should be one in RI, and Pat Kennedy might run against him. Jodi Rell was John Rowland's LT GOV in CT and ppl need to be reminded of it. Word is Chris Dodd might run and would likely won if he did. Dick Blumenthol would  be good as well.
by jp2 2004-11-06 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of things
Warner's setting up for a run against Allen.  Allen is beatable and Warner's the only guy who can do it.  I can't see Warner running for president with his only political experience being one term as governor in Virginia where he raised taxes (although the Republican legislature eventually supported him).  Doesn't matter that he did what he had to do because the previous administration left Virginia in a mess and had Enronned the books at the Dept. of Transportation.  In Virginia, what Warner had to do is well known and will not be as useful against him.  On a national stage, he will just get painted as a tax-raiser.

-Fred

by FredFred 2004-11-06 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of things
I have to concur with you on your analysis in Virginia.  One thing that Warner does have going for him in a Senate run against Allen is that Warner is quite popular in Southern Virginia, and area that Democrats generally struggle in.

Plus, Warner is also very popular with the business community, and so he will manage to split some of those Republican constituencies in half.

Warner also has managed to maintain cordial relations with a lot of the nominally Republican groups like the NRA.  ThHat will also help in his run.

I think Warner has a godo shot to beat allen, especially if things get worse over the next two years (as I expect they will).  The GOP won't have anyone else to blame then (although I'm sure they will try).

by Matusleo 2004-11-07 04:42AM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of things
The tax raiser status could be spun...but then any democrat is going to be called that, so that argument doesn't matter.  If Warner can spin it by talking about Fiscal responsibility, etc in order to save the state, making the hard choices...I think that would help blunt any damage.  
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 08:54AM | 0 recs
Colorado
Bill Owens is term limited too, and the plan was for him to spend two years as governor passing social conservative crap before relocating to New Hampshire and Iowa in 2006.  Now that he has to deal with the Democrats in both the state House and Senate he may already be toast, presidentially speaking.  Especially since they are going to force him to acknowledge that taxes will have to be raised to deal with the state budget crisis.  But regardless, the governor's contest in 2006 will be very interesting, because there are a ton of R's who have their eyes on the job (it's the reason Scott McInnis gave up his seat in CO-3), who could turn the primary into a bloodbath.  I especially expect the fundies who are still pissed off over having to support Coors over Bob Schaffer to be out for blood.  

Meanwhile, on the Democratic side there is a ton of buzz building for Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper, who was shown in a recent poll to be the most popular politician in Colorado.  I expect the party leaders to try to anoint Mark Udall as the candidate as a reward for him stepping out of the Senate race in favor of Ken Salazar.  But Hickenlooper, now riding high over the passage of a metro-wide transit initiative that was opposed by Owens, would be the stronger candidate in my opinion.

by Colorado Luis 2004-11-06 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Colorado
There's also the small matter of the illegitimate child....
by pdt 2004-11-06 03:31PM | 0 recs
You forgot Arnold!
The constitution probably won't be amended in time for him to run in 2008, but a popular, reelected Arnold Schwarzenegger could make California competitive we're he to through his full weight behind the GOP ticket -- something he did not do this election in deference to his family ties with Shrum, Kennedy et al.  Couple this with any further erosion in already shaky Latino support and the Dems electoral hold on California will become, at a minimum, very costly.  Clearly, without California we're toast.
by Steve in Sacto 2004-11-06 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: You forgot Arnold!
There's a strong chance I'll be moving to California this year. I'm just one guy, don't even have political clout or anything, but when I get there I'll make it my mission to help get a new governator in place.
by Green Irishboy 2004-11-06 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: You forgot Arnold!
Arnold threw his weight behind Bush...  

I disagree with you assessment on the all powerful Arnold.  Yes, he has done a better job than most of us expected and he is popular, but I can't see a Frist or Bush winning there even if backed by Arnold...

NOW, that being said, a McCain or a Guiliani with Arnold support could put CA in play.  I hope to hell not, but I see a moderate doing much better than the Neo-cons.  I do agree that they need to repair their support with the latino community (which means that you want to also go further into the african-american community to avoid any losses there).

by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
Absent from your list
Conspicuously absent from your list are the potential "rockstar" candidates that I have seen listed most often:

  1. Rudy Giuliani - we can't defeat him preemptively, but it will be interesting to see if he opposes Hillary for the Senate seat in 2006 - with the winner headed towards a Presidential nomination.
  2. John McCain - will be 72 in 2008, thankfully.
  3. Arnold Schwarzenegger - born in Austria, isn't eligible, but maybe they'll amend the constitution, blah blah blah.

I've also seen Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice mentioned. It's a little hard for me to believe that the current administration won't put up an insider as a candidate (though if they do, that "insider" surely won't be Powell.)

I also read earlier today that Bill Frist won't run for the Senate in 2006. Harold Ford Jr. is the likely nominee, but let me throw another name out there for the Senate seat in Tennessee - Al Gore. Why not? It would be good for the party to have Al back on the national stage.

by betterdonkeys 2004-11-06 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
McCain is already planning a trip to New Hampshire. He's going to be old, but I think he'll run:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1106mccain-NH06.html

by mlr701 2004-11-06 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
Lindsay Graham the soon to be senior senator from South Carolina is rumored to be running as well.  He was out and about New Hampshire and Iowa during the past year.  Is the Republican primary in SC going to be early like it is for the Dems?  That could help Graham out.  First elected in 2002, we don't have a chance to pre-emptively oust him.  
by ply739 2004-11-06 02:04PM | 0 recs
Watch out for this guy
He is one heck of a compelling individual. My wife likes him, I like him, and he is John McCain with a sense of humor and likeability.

He also distinguished himself in the Abu Ghraib scandal. He did not tow the party line, but was tough with the principals.

He has also made it clear that if the republicans don't begin to reach out to black voters they are toast. He is one person that could give us problems.

He's from South Carolina, but strikes me as a decent person. He doesn't necessarily scare me, but if he throws his hat in the ring, I wouldn't underestimate him. I would vote for the Democrat, but not against him. If I can say that as a partisan, imagine what non-partisans would say.

by Ono 2004-11-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Watch out for this guy
He's from South Carolina, but strikes me as a decent person.

Ooops, I didn't mean to imply that being from South Carolina is a bad thing. I just meant that for a Senator from SC, a crimson red state, he doesn't grate on me.

Click Open mouth
Click  Insert foot . . .

by Ono 2004-11-06 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Watch out for this guy
But aren't there rumors about his sexuality?  That should be enough to kill him in the GOP primaries.  Is he married?
by jlk7e 2004-11-07 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Watch out for this guy
Oh my!

That explains a few jokes I've heard. Tells you how clued in I am.

by Ono 2004-11-07 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
Those where the two I was going to mention, not Arnold though. Even I don't want him to run. I would also look at the Tim Pawlenty as a possibility. However small.
by Patrick Henry 2004-11-06 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
There's no way Mr. Pro-Choice, Ugly Divorce, Pictured In Drag Giuliani ever makes it through the GOP primaries, "America's Mayor" or not. The fundies would never, ever allow it. Same for Powell. Condi doesn't have the skills, imo.

McCain, however, is still burning with ambition, and his public support of Bush was definitely a fence-mending exhibition for him. We'll see . . .

Ahnold. Takes a bit more time to amend the Constitution. And it's hard to imagine such an amendment being anything but easy to shoot down.

by BriVT 2004-11-06 03:32PM | 0 recs
Push GUILIANI anyhow!
Rudi would be the ideal opponent.  Michael Dukakis could beat Guiliani.

Current polling shows him to be the favorite, behind McCain.

McCain is iffy.  It wouldn't be too hard to paint McCain as a wimp, now that he has rolled over and let Bush tickle his belly.

by jcjcjc 2004-11-06 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Push GUILIANI anyhow!
I think the GOP will push Guiliani out there - relying on the photo op images they will create - forcing us all back to 911. A lot of this will depend upon our success or failure in Iraq.  Guiliani is not a man of Republican Morals & Values - so it will be very interesting to watch the GOP "flip-flop" once again.  

As for McCain - I think he is a very strong contender who, right or wrong, has bi-partisan appeal.  It will entertaining to watch the Republicans recant all of the slanderous and awful remarks they made about McCain in 2000.  How can they escape the image the Bush Thugs painted of him during the primary?  

I still believe that McCain/Guiliani will be the ticket!

by elscal 2004-11-08 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
Rudy already has several weaknesses to play on. I think the key one will be pointing out how he turned on the soldiers during the missing explosives debate in Iraq... it will be important to point that out early, if he starts moving in that direction.
by Green Irishboy 2004-11-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
You are right about Guiliani - what could he have been thinking...bashing the Troops like that?  They have 4 years to come up with a response and no doubt the Republican Lying Machine will come up with one good enough for their base to believe.  Guiliani also made some really bad choices with regard to security prior to 911.  He's a wildcard - but one I believe they'll use as VP.  His ego may not allow him to accept the VP nomination.  
by elscal 2004-11-08 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
In this day and age 72 is not that old...Plus McCain is still pretty lively.  Watch his health for the next few years and see how that goes.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Absent from your list
I might grant you that 72 at the beginning of his term may not be that old.  But 76 at the end of his term is pretty damn old.

It would make the Vice-President choice of McCain absolutely crucial.

by betterdonkeys 2004-11-08 01:29PM | 0 recs
not just contenders (slightly OT)
The other thing that needs to be done to damage GOP chances is to develop a strategy for dealing with Ohio and Florida.  We need Dem governors and Secs. of State in these places.  I really think these two states should be targeted in the 2006 election.  Frankly, as long as the elections (and states) are run by corrupt Republicans, winning a national election is going to be very difficult.
by mlr701 2004-11-06 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: not just contenders (slightly OT)
YES YES YES
I am in Ohio, we need a functioning Democratic party here. Fanklin County went Dem partly because of a strong Dem mayor and city counsel. We really need a Democrat for Secretary of state also the governship is up for grabs and our old friend Blackwell intends to run.  
by marhya 2004-11-06 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: not just contenders (slightly OT)
Geographically, Bob Taft seems like a plausible presidential candidate.

If Blackwell runs, I suspect he will be opposed by another black Republican, lieutenant governor Jennette Bradley.

by Anthony de Jesus 2004-11-06 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: not just contenders (slightly OT)
Taft is not a plausible presidential candidate. He is horribly unpopular here in Ohio and would be vulnerable if he were eligible to run for re-election as governor in 2006.  He has nothing in his favor except geography.

Our best bet for the Governor's race in 2006 appears to be the Columbus mayor, Michael Coleman.

marhya, I'm here with you in your efforts to build a dominant democratic party in Ohio.

by betterdonkeys 2004-11-06 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: not just contenders (slightly OT)
Ohio is a blue state, always has been. There are more Democrats in Ohio than Republicans, and the Democrats do vote, even when their ballots aren't counted. The Ohio Democratic party is dysfunctional, but we would still be electing a Democratic president if not for electoral shenanigans like lost registrations, deliberately long lines at precincts and the Diebold Effect.

The good news is that Ohio passed a law two years ago that abolished punch card ballots and requires all electronic voting machines to have a voter varifiable paper trail - no more Diebold Effect. Conveniently for the GOP it wasn't implemented this year. But it will be in effect for the 2006 elections unless our current Republican House, Senate AND Governor overturn it.

With ballot reform Democrats can win with a majority of votes rather than the majority +10% now required. But the Ohio Democratic Party still needs to be resurrected. Fortunately or Pathetically (I can't decide which) our best hope is Jerry Springer running for Governor or Senator in 2004 and sweeping Democrats into statewide office on his coat tails.

by nmark 2004-11-07 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: not just contenders (slightly OT)
Dear Friend

How about Obama for vice president?  Turnout should be much easier in Ohio, as well as Pa., and even Florida.  Or, if we go for the southwest, how about Salazar for vp?

by ecogburn 2004-11-07 01:33PM | 0 recs
Obama
Well, I'm waiting for him to get more experience under his belt in the Senate and then run on the top of the ticket. Why have him go through the whole VP thing -- and too early, as Edwards did? If he's the real thing, as it seems he may be, I want him as my President.
by Anandi in PA 2004-11-08 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: not just contenders (slightly OT)
Couldn't agree with you more.  However, if Jeb is the nominee, Florida is probably out of play.  I think Ohio is the best target currently as well as making sure we have the apparatus in place for the bigger swing states or Blue states...Illinois is up in 2006, I am not sure of WI status, although I hear Thompson will leave HHS and run for Senator there, MI etc as well as PA.  If we can get Dem gov and Sec of State in place, this will go a long way.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 09:09AM | 0 recs
Ahnuld
doesnt help anyone but himself. Kerry's margin in Ca was about the same as Gore's. And Bill Jones, who I think he was more active in campaigning for, got creamed by Barbara Boxer. It is a catch-22. Arnold would support a moderate candidate for prez(he cant get too close to a conservative if he wants to keep being governor), but with the right-wing controlling the party he will never get the chance.
by jp2 2004-11-06 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Ahnuld
Bill Jones was the first CA statewide candidate ever to not run any TV advertising and Arnold did no campaigning for Jones, yet Boxer still only received 55% of the vote.  Arnold doesn't have to win CA for the GOP in 2008 -- just putting it in play and requiring us to spend large money to defend would be victory enough.
by Steve in Sacto 2004-11-06 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Ahnuld
Ahnuld's running in 2006.  He is still very popular, but he's also made some mistakes and has plenty of opportunities for more between now and then.  
by hawkseye 2004-11-07 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Ahnuld
Its been interesting to see the Jesse Ventura ads attacking the Goernator.  Arnolds appeal is strictly limited to his "celebrity status"...he was a major box office draw in the early to mid 90's...the audience finally bored of him.  His movies were no longer blockbusters.  I have no doubt that the majority of California Voters  will begin to lose interest in him as Governor fairly soon too.
by elscal 2004-11-08 11:23AM | 0 recs
Exactly
Jones was a horrible canidate (who doesn't run TV ads in CALIFORNIA?), and Arnie did not campaign for him.  Boxer received 58.1% of the vote, compared to Jones's 37.6%.  A 20.5% magin is nothing to sneeze at-she only beat Matt Fong 53.1% to 43.0% in 1998, so she more than doubled her margin of victory this time.  Arnie is popular, and he basically decided which propositions passed (he was for the Sten Cell thing), but, even with his appearance at the convention and in Ohio, Bush lost by about the same amount this time as last (54.8% for Kerry, 44.1% for Bush this time, 53.5% for Gore, 41.7% for Bush last time), and there was exactly zero change this time in the House, the state assembly, and the state senate, with the Democrats having 60-63% of the seats in each.
by Geotpf 2004-11-07 07:31PM | 0 recs
Chuck Hagel's
name has been floated several times.  
by cls 2004-11-06 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Chuck Hagel's
He was reelected in 2002, I believe.
by jlk7e 2004-11-07 09:08AM | 0 recs
Speaking of Arnold
can we get a strong candidate other than Dianne Feinstein to go up against him. The fact that he said Dems are girlie men and losers who he wont work has got to be worth something in blue california.  
by jp2 2004-11-06 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Arnold
i dont live in ca .. but im betting the wonderkind governor will not be as popular in a year after its very clear that macho talk wont solve budget problems
by bluebudda 2004-11-06 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Arnold
If Gavin Newsom were a little less green, he would make a good candidate.  He has received flack for the gay marriages, but overall he is a pragmatist, not an idealogue.  Moreover, he's attractive and charismatic, two very important qualities for an executive.
by wilder 2004-11-06 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Arnold
Actually, I like Newsom for governor. I don't see why not... anyone disagree? I don't live in California yet, but I am job hunting. :)
by Green Irishboy 2004-11-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Arnold
I'm not a CA resident either, but California grinds its Governors to dust. Always happens. The government (with its contradictory resolutions) and media atmosphere are just death on politicians. So, whether it happens this year or not, I fully expect Arnold to be whimpering like a girlie-man sometime soon . . .
by BriVT 2004-11-06 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Arnold
I am in CA -- we've pretty much broken the structures of government by popular vote here. No way to budget, plan, tax or legislate without running into some Mickey Mouse constraint put in by initiative. Consequently, Arnold is the perfect governor for our sturcture: no substance, vast bluster, completely opportunistic. This may actually hold up well in Sacto despite failing to have any real policy influence because anybody trying seriously to do anything about it looks like a powerless pygmy wrapped up in minutia.

Arnold would love to be President and would,  I think, govern the same way (as the whole country has many of the same contraints on reality-based government.) If he can get the Repubs to move an amendment for him, watch out. But I think native born self-interest will prevent this in any near term.

by janinsanfran 2004-11-07 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Arnold
Arnold vetoed a bill re drivers' licenses for immigrants.  That isn't setting well with Hispanics who have to go to Nevada to get a license---which is really a silly set up.
by hawkseye 2004-11-07 09:24AM | 0 recs
He vetoed a driver's license bill for...
...illegal immigrants.  Big difference.  It probably was, in fact, the right thing to do.

In any case, he is still hugely popular here.  Don't forget it.  And knock it off with the "girlie men" comment-yelling about it just reminds "ordinary" Californians that the Democrats are the party of gay marriage and San Fransisco, etc.  It wasn't even meant as an anti-gay slur-he was making fun of HIMSELF (the term is from a SNL skit making fun of body builders).  Arnie is not anti gay in any way (there are plenty of gays in both the body builder scene and in Hollywood, and nobody has accused him of being the least bit homophobic), or connected to the religious right in any way-he's a fiscal conservative and a "manly man", that's all.

by Geotpf 2004-11-07 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: He vetoed a driver's license bill for...
I don't think anyone was accusing him of being gay.  The girly man comment was completely inappropriate and not very professional at all.  It turned me off to the man completely.  It wasn't as bad as Cheney's F you remark (ironic for a party preaching morality and condeming Howard Stern for saying much less...but its ok if one of their own do it...or abuse drugs etc.) but it still got a lot of flack in the press.  
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 09:20AM | 0 recs
GOP candidates
First, let's celebrate the good news:  GW Bush can't run again.

 

by global yokel 2004-11-06 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: GOP candidates
Yea he isn't like FDR
by Patrick Henry 2004-11-06 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: GOP candidates
Truer words were never spoken.
by BriVT 2004-11-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: GOP candidates
Although, I am pretty sure Patrick meant that a lot differently than it came out.  
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: GOP candidates
I don't know, he stole two elections. Has defies the Geneva Conventions and Declaration on Human Rights with impunity. He'll be able to pack the Supreme Court with up to 4 'reliable' justices (pray for the immortality of Justice Stevens). His Patriot Acts and ability to declare anyone an enemy combatant violate the constitution with impunity. He cannot be held legally accountable while he controls both houses of Congress.

The Constitution of the United States does not apply to George W. Bush. Do you really think he can't get around presidential term limits if he pleases? Our only hope is to take congress back in 2006.

by nmark 2004-11-07 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: GOP candidates
Yes but he can do alot of damage and I expect

him to cause more mess than clean.

Worst case scenario he could order marshall

law and put himself in power for extra innings.

by Aslanspal 2004-11-08 03:33AM | 0 recs
Re: GOP candidates
As long as we don't get the same kind of talk after Reagan's 8 years...new amendment...Granted, I don't think it would pass even if it did get out of congress...Plus they would have to pass it soon.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:18AM | 0 recs
What about 2005?
The Dems in NJ are going to need money and help after McGreevey.  Senator Corzine will probably win Governor next year, but it is also crucial that the Dems take the free Senate seat as well.  The Republicans were more than hapy to go after Toricelli in 2002, and touted NJ as "in play" in 2004.  I'll bet they'll be more than happy to go after the NJ Senate seat in 2005.  The blogoshere has to help out with this.  
by Tall16 2004-11-06 01:39PM | 0 recs
Santorum is my number-one target
As a Pennsylvanian, I'll be concentrating on Man-on-Dog aboce alle lse in 2006. Specter is tolerable for a Republican, when he isn't running for re-election. Santorum is human waste in a $400 suit.

Hoeffel came damned close against the moderate Specter despite running a weak campaign, and he now has the name recognition for a stronger run. And with the Philly suburbs trending blue, there's no way Little Ricky can match his 2000 margins in Montgomery, Delaware, and Bucks counties.

by PantherDem 2004-11-06 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Santorum is my number-one target
I think we must target Santorum like the Republicans targeted Daschle. Get behind a candidate early (Casey or Hoeffel would both be good)raise the mega $$ and get the entire national party behind it.Bush visited Pennsylvania more than any other state, and still couldn't win it, which obviously means the demos are changing.Ricky is eminently beatable.
by Sy Gold 2004-11-06 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Santorum is my number-one target
GOP gains around Pittsburgh could offset losses around Philly.

That being said, Santorum looked pretty friggin vulnerable against Klink the last go-round.  And Klink was a joke -- he probably got 3% just for having the same last name as a character from Hogan's Heroes.

Plus, Santorum is an emminently hate-worthy guys.  He just looks like a wimp in need of a good run through the wringer.

by jcjcjc 2004-11-06 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Santorum is my number-one target
Do you wonder why Bush sent 150,000 troops into battle without body armor and armored Humvees?
Well, just take a look at his cozy relationship with the huge HMO which Frist's father heads.  Since Bush knew that the ration of wounded to killed in action was about ten to one I have often suspected that he wanted Frist's HMO operation to get a huge government contract (privatized medicine) to treat the wounded GI's coming back from Iraq.  Don't back away from this --- Bush and his cronies will always figure any way they can make a buck they will do it even if they get money from wounded GI's.  You should soon look for massive numbers of GI's who will start to raise hell because Bush and his cronies in the oil business and healthcare are getting rich off this war while regular GI's get no body armor protection or armored Humvees. BTW:  Bush just gave his buddies at General Electric's Stewart Truck Division a fat contract to upgrade the Humvees with more armor. It should have been done years ago but Bush finally figured out how he and his family could make a buck off the deal.
GE is known for its rightwing conservative poliitcal views and support for Republicans. If you want facts always remember that when Ronald Reagan was a down and out actor with no career left in Hollywood that he got contracted to do the GE Theater in 1962 and then he became a super-conservative.
by lonrand 2004-11-07 07:21AM | 0 recs
Better yet, Hafer vs. Santorum
I think we need to be more imaginative than Casey against Santorum. Hoeffel did not do sufficiently well against Spectre that he's a shoe-in, and his fundraising is not as impressive as it needs to be for a Senate race. My bet is with PA Treasurer Barbara Hafer. Think about this:
--moderate repub turned democrat
--pro-choice
--has won state-wide office and held it
--can neutralize the "liberals will take your money" line bec she has been the chief architect of balanced-budget tax-cuts.
--will have Rendell's backing for sure, and he'll be at the top of the ticket in PA instead of Kerry (a very good thing with our swing voters)

 If you want more details check out her bio at http://www.treasury.state.pa.us/BarbaraHafer.html.

by Anandi in PA 2004-11-07 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Better yet, Hafer vs. Santorum
Believe it or not, I had a DREAM about this a few nights ago.  Sign of way too much politics, or what?  

Anyway, in my dream Chris Heinz was running against Santorum.  

I woke up thinking, hmmmm, not bad.  What do you think?

by Diane 2004-11-07 07:51AM | 0 recs
What about Southern Governors?
You'd think that someone like Sonny Purdue, Mike Huckabee, or Mike Sanford may run.  It would be amusing if Haley Barbour did.

I am inclined to give a free pass to Rudy Giuliani because if he were the Republican presidential nominee, he might allow the Democrats to be more competitive in the South.

by Anthony de Jesus 2004-11-06 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: What about Southern Governors?
Huckabee is an ex-baptist minister..who

looks like a gangster from chicago..a terrible

dark 5 o'clock shadow...it would be richard

nixon all over again. Plus he is a lighweight

and thinks everything is just fine and dandy

but on his side of town..ignoring the two

americas.

by Aslanspal 2004-11-08 03:31AM | 0 recs
Romney is toast
He is responsible for losses in MA of a number of republicans this past election. He is being blocked on his judicial candidates. He will be ineffective through '06 at which point he will be tossed out. He's probably banking on a Bush appointment anyway.
by kitebro 2004-11-06 01:56PM | 0 recs
I dont think Pataki is running either
And I bet Santorum does a Frist

Maybe its good not to have an emotional target Focus on about seriously getting 5-7 blue state house seats and harrassing a bunch of others

and getting back a coupe of Senate seast starting with Santorums

Get dem govs for 2010 redistrcting in CT NJ and NY and keep PA-there are 5-10 seats and a majority there alone

by smalltownilblue 2004-11-06 02:43PM | 0 recs
New York Governorship and Senate seat in '06
Between Schumer and Spitzer why would anyone vote for Schumer? Does Schumer want to be Prez? Why does he want to be Governor?

Doesn't Pataki want to run for President? Will the Party of W and Santorum nominate a New York Republican? (Epecially one not named Rudy?)

As for Hillary's seat do we think that Rudy's up for it this time?

by MadProfessah 2004-11-06 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: New York Governorship and Senate seat in '06
That was a pretty asinine comment - hope you're not a New Yorker but merely looking in from the outside.  There are reasons to vote both for Spitzer and for Schumer for governor.  Both of them have been tremendous leaders in New York State.  

Maybe you just don't know much about Schumer.  He has brought cheaper airfare to Upstate New York, lowered prescription drug prices by enabling easier access to the market of generic drugs, and made college tuition tax-deductible.  Spitzer's a great guy too, but don't ignore the popularity of a Senator who earned 71% of the vote in his re-election.

by HeatherNDC 2004-11-08 08:43AM | 0 recs
No way for Frist
Look up William Frist on amazon.com. Then, read the reader comments about his book, which is a genealogy of the Frist family. Many people are aware of this book, which is a self-serving, horrifying piece of tripe, in which he blithely admits to killing neighborhood cats (and "operating") in the name of the curiousity about organisms that propelled him into med school. Lots of people are aware of his book, in which he comes across as something out of Nazi Germany. I am sure he has killed any chance he has to be president.
by alicel 2004-11-06 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: No way for Frist
Using the same reasoning, nobody would vote for Bush, but we've got him.
However, Frist is such an unattractive guy in other ways, I don't think he will go far.
Bush, on the other hand, seems to lots of people (not me)to be just like their favorite neighbor.
by hawkseye 2004-11-07 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: No way for Frist
Just read the reviews. They are beyond explanation. The exact name of the book (I totally swear) is "Good People Beget Good People: A Genealogy of the Frist Family."
by alicel 2004-11-07 06:04PM | 0 recs
Ku klux klan
The ku klx klan, along with their leader George W. Bush, who have changed their costums of white cloth and hoods to fundamentalist christian choir robes, elcted the following senators. If anyone ever wondered how Hitler came into power you can stop wondering. History has repeated itself.

Jim DeMint - South Carolina
A fellow three-term fundamentalist Christian Congressman, DeMint caused an uproar in his race against Democrat Inez Tenenbaum by saying that homosexuals and pregnant women with live-in boyfriends should be forbidden to teach in public schools. He opposes abortion even in the case of rape or incest and doesn't think gays should be able to adopt. A virulent supporter of strong national defense and unfettered free trade, DeMint told his opponents in a Republican primary debate to "stop whining about job losses."

Tom Coburn - Oklahoma
The former doctor and three-term Congressman elected during the "Gingrich Revolution" of 1994 is undoubtedly the most right-wing member of his new Senate class. Coburn called his campaign against conservative Democrat Brad Carson "a battle of good vs. evil," suggested blacks have a genetic disposition toward a shorter life expectancy, and said "lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom." Most noteworthy, Coburn favors "the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life," explaining his ardent opposition by noting how his great-grandmother was raped by a territorial sheriff. Not surprisingly, he earned a 97 percent lifetime approval rating from the

Mel Martinez - Florida
President Bush's former Housing Secretary earned rebukes from the state press for his dirty campaigning in the GOP primary and general election. The St. Petersburg Times took the unprecedented step of revoking its endorsement of Martinez after he ran ads calling his opponent--conservative Republican Bill McCollum--"the new darling of homosexual extremists" and "antifamily" for supporting bipartisan federal hate crime legislation and expanded stem cell research. Martinez accused his opponent in the general election--former state superintendent Betty Castor-- of allowing a "terrorist cell" at the University of South Florida, allegedly run by professor Sami Al-Arian.

John Thune - South Dakota
In his successful bid to knock off Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, the three- term Congressman pulled out every dirty trick in the book. In addition to illegally  intimidating Native American voters, his campaign employed the "Southern Strategy" by sending out mailings reading "The dogs are lining up to vote for Tom Daschle,"--a reference to old racist store signs that used to say "No Dogs or Indians Allowed." As if blatant racism wasn't enough, Republicans sent out "Vote for Daschle and Vote for Sodomy" stickers to churches across the state. Finally, six South Dakota Republican campaign workers, including Thune's nephew, were forced to resign after forging absentee ballots, but later dispatched to help run ground operations for the GOP in  Ohio. Thune would make Tony Soprano proud.

David Vitter - Louisiana
This far-right, family-values, three-term Congressman becomes the first Republican Senator elected in Louisiana since Reconstruction. As Vitter prepared to run for governor in 2002, the secretary of the Jefferson Parish Republican Party accused him of an 11-month affair with a prostitute. He denied the allegations but withdrew from the governor's race due to marital problems. Two years later Vitter--whom Charles Pierce calls "a polite David Duke"--ran for the Senate opposing all forms of abortion, gun control and affirmative action, prompting cries of racism in the heavily-African American state. He also ran possibly the most ludicrous ad of the political season, showing UN troops from Libya, North Korea and Cuba taking over Louisiana elections and lowering the American flag. Vitter even outdid his formidable arch-conservative colleagues by scoring a perfect 100 from the ACU in 2002, for a lifetime average of 93.

Here they are folks. Your crazy new leaders. Get used to them.

by forjoeb 2004-11-06 03:25PM | 0 recs
pickin on the goopers
I think McCain made some kind of deal with Rove.   McCain would be a dangerous nominee regardless of age.

I fear nobody but a Rove-enabled McCain candidacy.    

I think George Allen would also be very strong for them, as would Frist, and I think the Relig Rt likes these two.     For Allen and McCain, you can't do anything in '06, really.    Is it true Warner wants to run for WH?

by Andmoreagain 2004-11-06 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: pickin on the goopers
If Rove is anywhere 100 miles from McCain then McCain is beatable.

We could dredge up every god-awful thing Rove did to McCain in 2000 and force the public to wonder why the hell McCain now wants to be near Rove.

Our entire line of attack would be "John McCain: when did he sell his soul?"

by jcjcjc 2004-11-06 08:59PM | 0 recs
Warner in the WH
yeah, apparently. He spoke at the convention, and to the IA and NH delegations. I dont think you do that without intentions. Frankly, with his popularity in Va, he just might bring that state. And i still believe a governor, especially from the south, is a winning formula for us. dont get me wrong, I love Kerry, but I dont know why we strayed from it.
by jp2 2004-11-07 06:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Warner in the WH
Warner/Obama (not sure if he would run)...Hmm Or Warner/Richarson...hmm

OT on Obama but I met him in Chicago by accident on Friday.  Amazing guy, just signing authgraphs taking pictures etc.  The energy being around that guy is contagious; utterly amazing...reminds me of the energy I felt when I saw Bill in person, except this was even stronger.  

by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:38AM | 0 recs
Playing Defense in 2006
In addition to thinking about which Republicans might be vulnerable or leaving office in 2006, we should also keep in mind that there will be several challenges to vulnerable and red-state Democrats. Notable senate targets for the GOP are Maria Cantwell of WA, Hillary Clinton in NY, Kent Conrad in ND, Mark dayton in MN, Bill Nelson in FL, Ben Nelson in NE and Debbie Stabenow in MI. We need to think about playing defense as well as offence, and prevent the Republicans from gaining a filibuster-proof super-majority in the senate.
by edgeplot 2004-11-06 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Playing Defense in 2006
Certainly true, though incumbent Senators can start fundraising for themselves-- they don't need the blogosphere to recruit candidates for their own offices. Right now the blogosphere seems most useful in figuring out how to run against Rs in '05 and '06.
by accommodatingly 2004-11-06 07:46PM | 0 recs
Stabenow
from what I hear from ppl from MI, she is pretty safe. It was close in 2000, very close, mainly b/c she was up against an incumbent. But her popularity is up. We should keep an eye out, but still I think she's fine.
by jp2 2004-11-07 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Stabenow
Hillary is surely pretty safe, as well.
by jlk7e 2004-11-07 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Stabenow
Unless Guiliani ran against her...then there would be a fight.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Playing Defense in 2006
I wouldn't worry about Cantwell.

First of all remember that her close victory was against a 2 term moderate Republican Senator with a long history in Washington politics. Her 2006 oponent won't have the same advantages.

She's done a good job and her work on defending public power from the likes of Enron will help her in WA.

There is also the issue that there just aren't that many Republicans here able to run a statewide race. The state GOP really had to twist arms to get Nethercutt and Rossi.

My bet is Rossi is a possible Senate canidate even if he loses the governors race. Nethercutt probably won't throw his hat in (Maria would eat him for lunch). Rob McKenna or Reichart is also a possiblity, but McKenna has already said he plans on serving at least 2 terms as AG before considering any other office, and Reichart is better off defending his House seat in 2 years.

by ces 2004-11-08 01:40PM | 0 recs
Only Two Presidential Hopefuls
Frist and Owens are the only two of that list who might run for President in 2008.
by Bodot 2004-11-06 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Only Two Presidential Hopefuls
Why the certainty? Their chances of winning the primary/general aside, Pataki and Romney want to be President more than anything else. There's going to be a lot of talk about a "Bush dynasty," and while this will probably help and hurt Jeb in equal measures, it may be enough for him to throw his hat in the ring. And Santorum is a socon darling and a Pennsylvanian to boot.
by PantherDem 2004-11-06 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Only Two Presidential Hopefuls
I hope they go with Frist - he isn't going score too high on the "likeability" factor that many Americans use to elect a President.  No one would want to shar a beer or anything else with Frist.  He has no charisma....I just don't see it.
by elscal 2004-11-08 02:07PM | 0 recs
I haven't seen any Republican women listed
Elizabeth Dole comes to mind. Also Kay Bailey Hutchinson, although rumor is she may be angling for the Governonship in Texas.

Personally I'm looking forward to the bloodletting at the Republican primaries in 2008.  Of all the candidates listed so far, I don't see any who will be able to walk the tightrope between the fundamentalist evangelical wing of the party and the secular business wing.  I expect that the some fundie candidate will emerge who will energize the evangelical base.  Remember, Pat Robertson actually WON the Washington Caucus in 2000.  These people are even more organized now and I expect to see evangelical preacher type candidates.  Perhaps we'll even see a Dean-type phenomenon in the Republican party where someone emerges who scares the bejezus out of the secular business Republicans.  Then after he is beaten down by the party hierarchy the fundies take their bibles and go home, or go for a 3rd party candidate.  Could happen.  Especially if they are feeling that Bush let them down in the next four years by not getting rid of gays and abortion, or not getting prayer in schools.  Or whatever.

by texasdiver 2004-11-06 04:40PM | 0 recs
Do we want to take all of these guys out?
That is a serious question.  The way I see it, the GOP is heading for an internal confrontation.  The religious right is incompatible with the more moderate voices in the GOP.  The religious right is incompatible with moderates everywhere.  They are our wedge.  I sincerely hope a more moderate GOP candidate stays in the primaries for a lengthy enough run to force the other candidates further to the right.  And on the other side, a guy like Santorum is a poster child for what scares moderate voters.  
by up2date 2004-11-06 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Do we want to take all of these guys out?
I kind of hope Santorum would be the nominee in 2008.  Sure he is scum and he would get whupped by any moderate Dem out there.  If the nominee was Warner or Clark, it would be a blood bath.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:43AM | 0 recs
Clinton Vs. Pataki
We can get rid of Pataki if Bill Clinton runs for Governor of New York.  He would take it easily.  Of course, he would likely lose any Southern influence he currently has.
by Ryan 2004-11-06 06:36PM | 0 recs
Frist
No Dem is going to win a federal office in Tennessee.  However, I'm not worried about Frist.  he's a wet noodle, and he's never going to win the nomination for Pres, no less the election.
by alhill 2004-11-06 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Frist
Actually, you need to investigate Harold Ford Jr.  He's impressive.  He's the kind of young leader that makes you fell all warm about America's future.

In fact, if it weren't for this nucleus of upcoming guys like Ford, Obama, Salazar (and brother) . . . I'd be getting myself on a plane to New Zealand.

The new batch of Dems looks more like Clinton than Kerry . . . and that's reassuring.

by jcjcjc 2004-11-06 08:45PM | 0 recs
May I suggest knocking off AWNALD?!
Awnald is not gonna happen -- in fact, his chances in CA hinge on the economy improving before 2006.

Obviously, any Amendment to change the Prez requirements would drag on beyond 2008.

But, knocking him off would definitely put the GOP in its place.

---

I hope Frist runs for the Senate seat AND Ford runs.  I still feel that Frist is vulnerable -- and that crushing him outright would go a long way to killing the GOP in 2008.

Ford is an absolute GEM of a candidate.  Young, well-spoken and dynamic.  He's Clinton, minus the perversions.

With Frist out of the way, the GOP doesn't have too many stable types to run for Prez, either.

---

Rudi is a friggin joke.  We have pictures of him dressed as Marylin Monroe . . . hopefully the we can keep quiet about Rudi, and let the GOP nominate him.

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Jeb has said he will not run.  Anyway, he's clunky compared to his brother.

Plus, FLA is a hellhole -- twice as bad as Texas ever was -- and could easily be held against him.

by jcjcjc 2004-11-06 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: May I suggest knocking off AWNALD?!
Pelosi beat out Ford.  I saw Ford on Hardball Friday -- after speaking, his republican collegue invited him to cross party lines and become a Republican.....Ford did not make any statement to indicate that was not a possibility.  In fact, he didn't respond to that at all!  

I agree, knocking off "The Terminator" would be nice.  Although, to be honest, I don't think that Arnold is really liked by this President or those who elected him.

by elscal 2004-11-07 09:17PM | 0 recs
Jeb
he said he wont run. I think the thought of a Bush dynasty turns a lot of ppl off. FLA, from what I hear is in pretty bad shape. Jeb's ratings surged cuz of the hurricanes but they will fall back to where they were, I think like upper 40s before the hurricane.
by jp2 2004-11-07 06:24AM | 0 recs
"Jeb!" (exclamation point original) 2008
Jeb will run IMHO.  His denials have been lukewarm:

"I'm not going to run for president in 2008. That's not my interest," Bush told ABC's "This Week." "I'm going to finish my term."  (An odd phrasing, that, inasmuch as his term ends in 2006; he can't run again)

Americans like a "dynasty".  Jeb speaks spanish fluently and has a Mexican wife.  He is a brutal, dirty campaigner in the Bush family way.  I suspect Rove will happily work for him.

To be sure, Jeb is running the state of Florida into the ground (he is significantly more "conservative" than Dubya), but he will get away with it - the media is generally sycophantic and the electorate simply does not blame him.

A recent book by a couple of Bush family insiders suggest he will run:

"In a new book, The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty, authors Peter and Rochelle Schweizer claim the Bush clan has already discussed a presidential campaign by Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R), whose term ends in 2006. One anonymous source claims loyal Bush donors have been asked to 'keep their powder dry' for the 2008 campaign."

(http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/03/29/book_claims_jeb_bush_will_run_in_2008.html)

Harris has been promised a clear shot at Bill Nelson, so a Senate run is out ... there is no where for him to go but "up".

by Florida Politics 2004-11-07 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: "Jeb!" (exclamation
Maybe he runs for Senator in 2006?  Isn't one of Florida's seats up in that year.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:47AM | 0 recs
Romney is widely hated
in MA.  I'd say he has zero chance at reelection, and probably zero interest as well.  He's a terrible governor and people here resent his forays out across the country to bash Kerry.  A possible replacement would be DA Tom O'Reilly, though I would dearly love to see Robert Reich go for it again.
by Diane 2004-11-07 07:55AM | 0 recs
Thanks for enlightenment on Romney (n/t)
by hawkseye 2004-11-07 09:32AM | 0 recs
After Jeb
some good Floridians to run:

Alex Penelas (the Dems made a huge mistake in nominating someone so boring like Castor just like they did in nominating McBride instead of Reno in '02....Penelas could have won the solid Dem vote plus stopped many Hispanics Repubs, especially Cuban-Americans, in Miami for voting for Martinez)

Ron Smith from Gainesville

Bob Graham? He's not that old!

Kendrick Meek! very popular guy in So Fla

Words

by HoracioFL 2004-11-07 12:04PM | 0 recs
North Carolina Is Ripe
Elizabeth Dole should be on the list for 2008. Erskine Bowles lost election to the seat John Edwards vacated because the national Republicans pumped an unreal amount of money into the race late in the game. With our dying textile industry (in fact, all manufacturing industries), we should be ripe for a candidate willing to work for building and keeping jobs in the state.

Dole is an absentee candidate who bought a home here less than a year before seeking election to the Senate here. And, for different reasons, she's another "Senator Gone."

by GypsyWriter 2004-11-07 05:04PM | 0 recs
Guiliani and McCain
Both are contenders - strong ones.

I can see it now, Guiliani would cloak himself in the American Flag and 911. Given the infidelity issues here, the Right Wing would need to make a 180 from making "morals" their priority here.  

John McCain is a strong contender who "could" pull a lot of swing votes.  

by elscal 2004-11-07 07:22PM | 0 recs
It's McCain
It's obvious.  McCain will be the nominee (provided he is still in good health), and he will win the general election.  He's hugely popular with independents, and not unpopular amoungst Democrats.  I mean, Kerry wanted him to be VP.  If he gets the nomination, almost anybody the Democrats throw up there is toast.  Wes Clark may be the only exception-I now think Clark could have easily won this time, too.  We lost due to the "9/11 Changed Everything" idiots-they weren't about to vote for a anti-war protestor-but they would vote for a four-star general.
by Geotpf 2004-11-07 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: It's McCain
You do understand that McCain will be 72 in 2008, right?  This would make him 76 in 2012, at the end of the next term...

Reagan was 69 when he was elected in 1980, and left office at the age of 77 in 1988.

by betterdonkeys 2004-11-07 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: It's McCain
True, but McCain is far more energetic than Reagan was during his first run, plus medicine has advanced alot in the last 24 years.  Many people are doing many things at that age and I truthfully don't think that will be a factor..PROVIDED that McCain has no health issues from now till then.
by yitbos96bb 2004-11-08 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: It's McCain
How old was Ronald Reagan?  I think McCain (health permitting of course) will be the nominee.
by elscal 2004-11-08 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: It's McCain
Yes McCain is an excellent choice for the Republicans..if he runs, there will be no Bush Dynasty.  

I love Wesley Clark - he has everything one would want and need in a President, especially during wartime.  However, look what the media did to Clark.  It was awful - they skewered him.  

McCain certainly couldn't out "military" Wesley Clark.  But as you said, McCain is liked by Repulicans, Democrats and Independants.  

by elscal 2004-11-07 09:24PM | 0 recs
Deconstruct Bill Frist in a hurry and now!!!
Bill Frist had his first autobiography pulled

from bookshelves and for good reason ..he

brags about the deceit in killing innocent

animals...cats especially ..very cold and

evil in my view.

  1. we need to bring that book back

  2. deconstrut Frist as being someone who is

not mainstream

3. Push this to media outlets ...demand

answers from frist about this story

  1. Expose..expose..expose...

  2. My god frist looks like a damn vampire!!
by Aslanspal 2004-11-08 03:23AM | 0 recs
Take back the MD governorship
In 2006, we in MD need to defeat our jerky Repug governor, Robert Ehrlich.  A lot of Dems voted him in because they hated Kathleen Kennedy Townsend(and the previous governor, Glendening who is a bastard from hell).  I believe Martin O'Malley, who just won Baltimore City Mayor re-election with 88% support, will run and CRUSH him.  MD had not had a Repug governor since that crook Spiro Agnew.  Ehrlich is so partisan and a lot of Dems here are really mad!!!  My mom who voted for Ehrlich, is very disappointed in his clearly partisan agenda for the state.  All those Repugs mentioned above should be targeted NOW.  Right now, today, start your campaigning now.  We need all the time to pulverize the right until they wonder if "Armeggedeon" just happened.
by catholicdemocratmd 2004-11-08 12:59PM | 0 recs
What about Cheney leaving?
Has anyone considered this scenario?  Cheney leaves for "health" reasons over the next 2 years and PRESTO, they have an incumbant!  This scares me to death!
by PDXBeliever 2004-11-08 03:21PM | 0 recs
Frist sucks
We are trying to do what we can to give him a hard time, but frankly the GOP has way out-organized us in TN.

Just heard GOP state chair Beth Harwell will be running for Frist's seat.  I have to hand it to them, at least they have high-profile women candidates in their party...

by Eleanor A 2004-12-10 05:21AM | 0 recs

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