Who Are We?

I think that last night's first book club discussion went great, and I very much look forward to our next two (I better go buy I copy of What's the Matter With Kansas? pretty soon, however). Maybe this could really be the start of something truly useful.

I have been thinking a lot lately not only about what conservatism is, what is wrong with it, and what we can do about it, but who "we" are in relation to it. More clearly, I have been wondering a lot about what liberalism / progressivism actually is. Looking into ourselves and finding out who we are is at least as important as understanding our opponents.

Let me put this a different way--what the heck is liberalism / progressivism, and what is good about it?

In our third book club discussion we will be reading George Lakoff's Don't Think of An Elephant, a book that largely deals with this very topic. I have not read the book, but a recent dailykos diary discusses how Lakoff identifies six main strands of progressive / liberal thought:
  • Socioeconomic Progressives: Everything is about money and class.

  • Identity Politics Progressives: Everything is about the empowerment of oppressed groups

  • Environmental Progressives: Everything is about sustaining the earth

  • Civil Liberties Progressives: Everything is about maintaining freedom

  • Spiritual Progressives: Everything is about building spiritual community

  • Antiauthoritarian Progressives: Everything is about fighting illegitimate forms of authority
What unites these six strains? What concepts can we all rally under (my answer is conscience and initiative, and I will have more of that later). I have also been wondering how much the Montana miracle program serves as a the kernal of a model to unite all of these strands of progressivism, and to release the latent progressive already present in many people:
  • Appeal to Environmental and Civil Liberties Progressives by heavily emphasizing the need for green spaces and preserved land but, and here is the kicker, do so largely in the frame of hunters and fishers. In Montana, this did not just unite civil liberties and environmental progressives, but it actually released the latent progressivism within a reliable block of Republican voters: hunters and fishermen. By valuing their outdoor activities above corporate interests, he emphasized civil liberties (gun rights), and environmental protection.

  • Appeal to Antiauthoritarian progressives, and release the latent progressivism in many people, by running as a reform, outsider, good government candidate. This worked brilliantly for Republicans in the 1994 takeover, as the Contract With America actually included a number of good government, reformer ideas (term limits, in particular). This is another issue where a lot of people who certainly do not consider themselves progressives are, in fact, progressive. They love the idea of governmental reform.

  • The third pillar of the miracle is just as beautiful as the first two, "Small bidness populism," and goes a long way toward explaining the possibilities of the future of socioeconomic progressivism: One key reason the access issue had such resonance for Schweitzer was that its propulsive, little-guy-versus-big-guy force was in perfect sync with much of the rest of his message and campaign. Indeed, our first television ads had struck this chord, featuring Schweitzer talking about his small business experience and the need to grow Montana's economy, which has the lowest wages in America. The beauty was, it didn't sound like the usual Democratic fare. Too often, Democratic boilerplate language about helping "working families" makes it sound like the party thinks of Americans as helpless victims of crushing economic forces. In truth, most Americans are proud of their ability to stand on their own two feet and compete, and that self-image is embodied in the small business person. This appeal is particularly strong in Montana where, as Schweitzer likes to remind people, 85 percent of residents own or are employed by small businesses.

    While D.C. interest groups like the National Federation of Independent Business have become de facto arms of the Republican Party, at the grassroots level, employees of small businesses aren't particularly Republican, and even small business owners are more up for grabs. Sure, these entrepreneurs don't like high taxes and regulations. But many of them have felt the sting of losing customers and markets to big corporations that used their size and clout unfairly. As a small business owner himself, Schweitzer shared these frustrations and knew how to use them. He seamlessly turned questions about taxation into opportunities to argue that big-box companies like Wal-Mart should pay their fair share and shouldn't be allowed to run roughshod over local business. Education became a way to talk about how state government was hurting small business development by letting Montana's technical college tuitions become among the highest in the nation.

    By bringing education into the issue, it is also possible to use "small bidness populism" as a launching pad for identify politics progressivism. Brilliant stuff.
The Montana miracle does not serve as a foundation for appealing to spiritual progressives, but the platform can be expanded. This seems like a very good starting point to me.

However, as far as you are concerned, what the heck is liberalism / progressivism, and what is good about it?

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Common theme
Progressivism/liberalism believes in the dignity of the individual and seeks to respect that dignity and give each person the room to grow and succeed in the face of large, out-of-control entities. Specifically, that mostly comes down to corporatism now, but it also involves government in the moral realm. We seek to allow people the economic freedom from corporate coercion and the personal freedom from governmental moral coercion. We believe in people, Republicans believe in institutions.

There's so much more in terms of specifics, but I wanted to make a sort of meta-point first.

by BriVT 2004-11-18 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Common theme of Americans
Since the Republicans stop at no length to emphasize the value of the individual against the welfare state, I would say that individualism is an American phenomena trancending party.

Corporate coercion... is that as powerful as the coercion people feel from material desires? I would suggest that the former flows from the latter. To undermine "corporate power" one must substitute psychic goods for material ones. That dovetails nicely with environmentalism and family values. If the typical workweek was less, parents would have more time to spend in the community. Consequently, unemployment, education, crime rates, and a variety of quality-of-life issues would improve.

by Paul Goodman 2004-11-18 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Common theme of Americans
Yes, individualism is one of the central myths of America. That's why liberals/progressives should try to claim it. It used to be the CW that liberals believed in personal freedom but economic control, while conservatives were the opposite. But that's demonstrably not true anymore (nor was it ever really true). The idea of governmental control of the economy is fading, while face-less corporate control isn't.

It's gotten to the point that corporate coercion is working against people's material desires. However, one main, fundamental definition that we need to counter is the definition of American=consumer. Every issue right now is filtered through that lens. That's where we lose. I'd say more, but this thread is dead-ish so I don't want to spend too much time if no one's gonna read it . . .

by BriVT 2004-11-19 05:36AM | 0 recs
Who Are We?
This question is always hard because it's easy to knock down what people say but I'll bite.  I know four things I support:

  1. fair taxation - which means you make more, you pay more and corps pay their share as well.  

  2. welfare state - probably could think of a better term but this is the clearest.  I support a safety net for people when they need it.   I also support programs to help them to not need it as long as needs like child care are met during that transition time.

  3. worker rights - all that good union stuff.  In my fantasy land the unions are run by honest people who would never fall victim to temptation.

  4. minority rights - including reproductive freedom and education for women
by eRobin 2004-11-18 10:38AM | 0 recs
Or, who can we be?
I'll start with what I used to think of as an obvious point. Liberals/progressives are essentially people who believe that government can serve as an instrument of positive change. The positive change might be in any number of areas, be it economic justice or protection of the environment or furthering the rights and opportunities of oppressed groups. I think this same core conviction was at work in the traditional Democratic proclivity for internationalism. Foreign involvement, and particularly quasi-governmental international bodies like the UN, were seen as ways to bring that conviction of positive change beyond our borders.

Conservatism, on the other hand, classically believed that government - critically concentrations of power and restriction at the government level - was always and essentially bad. These days you have to refer to this conviction as "movement conservatism" to distinguish it from the enculturation of the concept. But there you have it: the movement conservatives hate government. Pure and simple. Of course, these guys invented lots of window dressing to make this look nice - starting long ago with Adam Smith's invisible hand, moving through various iterations until Bork tells us in "The Antitrust Paradox" that monopolization is essentially impossible and/or benign, so we don't need antitrust laws, then Reagan gets groovy with supply-side seducto-speak.

Never mind that we know what unrestricted, big corporate power looks like - read Charles Dickens for that.

Now, I hedged my initial sentence by saying this "used" to be an obvious answer. Two reasons I said that. First, with the frankensteining of movement conservatism and the evangelical right, all of a sudden the little "c" conservatives think that government is GOOD if it uses its power to keep us from debasing ourselves culturally. So government is bad if it helps you get a job or an education, but good if it keeps you from engaging in your sordid little private life. Second, today's conservatism seems utterly unconcerned about the actual way in which government power (for whatever ends) is actually exercised. Don't like the CIA because they don't agree with your every whim? Purge it! Don't think your cabinet is obsequious enough? Fire them and replace them with your personal staff! Don't like people knowing what your government is up to? Blame the media and never hold press conferences! Etc.

So the easy answer - liberals/progressives have an inherent faith in the ability of government to bring about positive change, conservatives don't - is maybe not so helpful anymore. For what it's worth, I think the tension in modern conservatism will eventually cause some degree of rupture, but it's hard to be optimistic about the costs of that rupture.

What's left? After all this spilled ink it's probably anticlimactic, but I think Lakoff's take is pretty good. It would be nice to find a simpler articulation, a unifying theme, but it may well be that we're a coalition of grass roots localisms.

Personally, I incline very much to the way of thinking articulated by Wendell Berry and the like. Essentially, that what we have lost as a society is the sense of community and interconnectedness that was a necessary result of local, self-sustaining economies. Obviously there is a limit to how self-sustaining a local economy can be these days. There is also the danger of the cultural severity of this model, the inherent parochialism of that model. On the other hand, I think much of the alienation and anger that the conservatives have tapped into is a result of the very policies that the conservatives champion. Middle Americans bemoan the loss of community stability and personal connection, but shop at big box discount stores. They worry about job security but vote for politicians that encourage bolstering the corporate bottom line whatever the cost to "human capital." They worry about the vapidity of modern culture but tivo Survivor and Extreme Makeover. And so on. Essentially we've moved from strip mining our natural resources to strip mining our human resources - our cultural sensibilities and human communities.

As a policy take, I think the germ of genius is in the idea of making the Democratic party the party of small business - whether it be the locally owned bookstore, the family farm, the independent doctor's group. I also think we need to avoid overcorrecting for the "moral values" issue or the "national security" issue or whatever the currently fashionable explanation for the liberal malaise might be.

And much more to the point, I think we need to reaffirm our commitment to our faith in the individual American. All the post-election rhetoric from the left has been essentially pessimistic - middle Americans are stupid, or uninformed, or lazy, or fat, or racist, or homophobic. But the Democratic party has always and should still stand for the proposition that our people can be great if they are given the chance to do so. We should stand for opportunity, for the ability of people to do well when given a fair shake. Think about this - this conviction was the root of the labor movement, public education, civil rights, women's rights, on and on - we want to give the common person, no matter who they may be, a level playing field and the right to achieve and prosper (in every sense of the word).

by typo 2004-11-18 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Or, who can we be?
Yikes! Strip-mining our human resources? Well, in my worser moods, I admit feeling that way, as well. There is a fragmented feel to much of America, a self-disenfranchisment, if you will. We are isolated one from the other.

Suburbanization is a disease just like all the poets say. Move to a big city or to a college town. Join a community group. Ask people questions. Make sure you either fall, or stay, in love. We can do better in so many ways. Yes, we must fight fascism, but we must also fight to keep our own minds and bodies in good health. Human nature by design wants to take the easiest road. That's okay sometimes. Only sometimes.

by JHGrimson 2004-11-18 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Or, who can we be?
If the energy that democrats and progressives put into electoral politics and solitary spiritual journeys were instead released into the grass roots, no more nourishing thing could be accomplished. Are you tired of fighting for Social Security when what you really care about is the environment? Are you tired of fighting for government healthcare when what you really want is a close knit community that shares your values?

If we abandon national politics we can build better local and global politics. What has killed the left is that the issues that are most dear to them are not American ones, but human ones.

by Paul Goodman 2004-11-18 05:43PM | 0 recs
Three tenants
Progressives believe in the fundamental goodness and rationality of people. (Hence their right to govern themselves and to enjoy basic human rights)

They believe that humans are, or can be, involved in the long march of human progress toward a peaceful, prosperous civil society.

They believe that government is both necessary and good, in order to (1) organize some aspects of civil activity and (2)counteract concentrations of self-interested power that develop because of economic or other natural forms of inequality.

by The Goatherder 2004-11-18 11:27AM | 0 recs
Great topic Chris...
One that I think everyone should be much more concerned with than what conservatism actually is.

Within the scope of what is considered todays liberalism is a myriad of that I consider political platforms and agendas. These platforms and agendas, put fourth by literally anyone who is a special interest in this country have clouded the waters of that liberalism is and more to the point its managed to cloud the ideology of  the people who would naturally identify themselves as a liberal.

I'm glad you asked this, I was planning on putting up a diary on this particular topic, however since you started it, then I'll make my comments here.

I think that when we look to define that liberalism is we need to avoid getting it mired in political agendas, nor do we need to make it a stance or view of the democratic party or any other political party for that matter. The way to fix this is to identify clearly the values and beliefs that make up today's liberals and progressives.

There once was a CEO of one of the largest corporations in the world who had a policy that any endeavour, any project, any direction of the company should be able to be articulated in a 10 page presentation or less. If you could not do so, then you were not focused enough on the core of that you were trying to say.

Using that, I've been thinking for some time about what I think are the core beliefs of liberalism. I've been thinking that there are some caveats to coming up with the list, but in essence, I'd like to see 10 core beliefs, that are 1. Time tested, meaning they will stand the test of time 2. Clear differences between today's conservatism as it's practiced, and 3. Can be easily understood by anyone who hears them.

Not I don't know that all of them are, I have my ideas, here are 10 that come to mind right
off the bat

  1. Diversity
  2. Open Government
  3. Liberty
  4. Economic and Social opportunity
  5. Fiscal Responsibility
  6. Religious Freedom
  7. Fair Taxation
  8. Individual Rights
  9. Corporate Responsibility & Integrity
  10. Clean Environment

I know that there are many more, however I wonder if we can't all come up with a list of 10 that encompass the core of our beliefs and get that message out there and stick to it. If we could get agreement and get these fundamental core beliefs out there everywhere then I think we could start changing some hearts and minds as to what liberalism is and what we stand for.

I have made an attempt to stay away from political policy positions, there's a reason for that, personally I think that we'd do better starting a "Progressive Coalition" and lobby the Dem's or whoever on our views and positions based on the core beliefs, however, it would not bother me if a party picked up on this and ran with it. Notice that you don't see anything like this coming out of the Conservative side, that's because they really don't have any core beliefs that stick or are really very popular at all.

Once 10 are agreed upon, then we could have 10 pages for each one, I.E, you could easily break down "Open Government" into 10 core beliefs of that it stands for and so on.

What do you fine folks think?

by laughingriver 2004-11-18 11:27AM | 0 recs
Good Post But...
10 Topics is WAY TOO MUCH.  I bet Kerry and every other democratic candidate could accomplish this task.  The truth of the matter is that we need to refine our message to about 10 WORDS, and then hammer on it relentlessly for the next 20 years.  Does it work?  Look at the Republicans

Lower Taxes, Smaller Government, Individual Responsibility.  

100% consistent message control since 1980 from Reagan to Atwater/Bush to Rove/Bush to Limbaugh/Coulter/O'Riley/Fox.  

Joe Sixpack knows where they stand, and he won't be reading 10 page briefs to contemplate our pitch.  

Let's quit intellectualizing and put together the pitch. We all know what we stand for and Chris' post gets at the heart of it.  Here's the mesage

We're the party of the people.
They're the party of money.

(Okay it took me 11 Words).

Progressive and PRAGMATIC populism.  The  concept that we're all in this together (other than the greedy monied minority). That's the ticket.

For more on message, see my diaries on Kos, "It's about leadership, stupid."It's About Leadership, Stupid
and
Lessons from the Death Penalty Trenches
also, progressivepopulism blog

 

by jmckay 2004-11-19 05:48AM | 0 recs
Defining Liberalism
What if we were to think of the divide between conservatives and liberals as hinging on where one looks to, to solve social problems.  

I don't think I'm being overly naive when I say that most self-identifying conservatives (not those in power, mind you, just regular voters like you and me) would like to have a world where poverty is extinguished and peace reigns worldwide.  

The difference between "them" and "us", as things stand now, is that "they" believe that an unregulated free market can get us closer to that world than a regulated market, and "we" believe the opposite.    

The challenge, as many have said in these pages, is to articulate our argument in the clearest terms possible, and get our message out.

Now, why do conservatives believe that the free market is the best solution to social problems?  The reasons are not as simple as we sometimes think: it is not just small-minded, short-sighted pettiness; it is not stupidity.  These play a part, of course, with some conservatives, but I'm afraid to say I have known some small-minded, short-sighted, petty, and not-too-bright liberals in my day as well.

Having posed the question, though, why others think the free market can solve social problems, I'll just refer people to the origins of the concept--in Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, and Thomas Malthus.  I'm sure I'm missing some important earlier and later figures, but those would be a pretty good start.

What we need to do is articulate a rebuttal to that argument, in the clearest terms, making it relevant to every individual in the red states AND the blue states.

An afterthought: there may be a more profound difference between liberals and conservatives--such as the sincerity of the desire to abolish poverty, and the true equality of men and women of all races that that would entail--but  to those who do not believe in the value of equality, could we hope to change their mind?  I think a better goal, if we are to think of the problem in practical terms, is to win over the "soft" conservatives, who have the same ideals as we do, but simply believe that an unregulated free market is the way to achieve them.

by a political animal 2004-11-18 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Defining Liberalism
Well even Smith advocated progressive taxation so we have something in common with him.  

Can we also point out to the free market people that the businesses that run the country (and the world) today don't operate in anything like a free market?  

by eRobin 2004-11-18 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Defining Liberalism
Liberals do believe in free markets, we just understand 'free' is not a natural state; left on it's own a free market does not stay free.  Winners emerge, companies combine for power, monopolies form, those in power use that power to prevent smaller firms from competing.
by Mark Matson 2004-11-18 02:53PM | 0 recs
Liberal Values
Here is what liberalism means to me.

1. We are morally obligated to pass on to our grandchildren a better world than the one we inherited.

This is why we fight for the environment, education and don't believe we should pass huge debts on to our children.  This is why we invest in the infrastructure of our country.

2. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

We must treat all people with respect, fight for their rights, stand up for those without a voice.  The Golden Rule is easy and meaningless when dealing with friends, family and those like yourself, its power in application comes when dealing with those you disagree or don't understand.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight for your right to say it."

3. Understanding is reached through reason, openness, discourse and criticism: The Enlightenment.

We believe in the philosophy of enlightened reason, the philosophy on which this country was founded, the philosophy that powers democracy, science and capitalism.  No person holds a monopoly on truth.  Likewise, no entity should hold a monopoly on power.

by Mark Matson 2004-11-18 02:47PM | 0 recs
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity--Reality + Progress
The French Revolution had the basic ideas down right, even though they couldn't handle the psychic trauma of such long-standing oppression & really made a mess of things that we're still paying for.

Liberty is a given, since liberalism is fundamentally anti-authoritarian, and has been since its earliest recorded stirrings in pre-Socratic Greece. Although "personal autonomy" might be a better way to put it in our age, since it retains more of the sense that responsibility (to one's own conscience or God, not a coercive outside force) and capacity are inextricable part of the package.

Reality, too, is a liberal priniciple--it was those same early liberals who both invented science and applied its fruits to revising notions of human nature & possibility. They were the first evolutionists--2,000+ years before Darwin--and they used their theories of evolution to counter the conservative myth of a bygone golden age.

Equality is what most clearly differentiates liberalism's commitment to freedom from the selective "freedom" of other philosophies which is more accurately a form of privilege, entailing lack of freedom for others.  It doesn't mean precise material equality, nor does it mean a denial of deal differences, a devaluing of excellence, or any of the other false associations that conservatives love to make.

What it does mean is that we are all equal in our most fundamental essence--in our personhood, in our right to be treated with dignity, and that all things that may be unequal about us are fundamentally subservient to those things in which we are equal. As it says in the Gospels, "Whatsoever ye do to the least among these, ye do also to me."
Fraternity is what makes this principle live and give jor--rather than being a duty or a burden--and  also thrive in synergy with liberty, which could otherwise be a mechanical opposite.

Finally, progress. Because we are all--individually and collectively--incomplete. Because we are wayfarers on a journey to the stars.

by Paul Rosenberg 2004-11-18 03:18PM | 0 recs
This gentleman is on the right track
Do you notice that he didn't say a word about Social Security or any other government program? Thus it was possible for him to have the eloquence of a man speaking from his heart. He touched on the spiritual core of "liberalism", which I would like to add to.

If you believe that God is your friend, not your boss, you are probably a liberal. If you believe in the Divine Economy rather than Malthus, you are probably a liberal. If you don't believe in original sin, you are probably a liberal. If you love life and want to find ways of showing that love, you are probably a liberal.

Is it any surprise that the spiritual trailblazers of the Left are to this day finding difficulty in reaching the masses of man in the old language of the thirties? Whether one thinks that more time is needed to give birth to a new 21st century consciousness or whether we should go with what we have, that game is the only game in town.

by Paul Goodman 2004-11-18 05:57PM | 0 recs
Liberals Believe in Justice
Equal Rights for all Americans including the right to marry is Justice.
Quality Education for the Poor and the Rich is Justice.
Tax Fairness is Justice.
Balancing the Budget is Justice.
Laws that Protect Social Security is Justice.
Laws that Protect the Right to Organize Unions is Justice.
Medical Insurance for all Americans is Justice.
Clean Air, Water, and Hunting Grounds is Justice.
A Women's Right to Choose is Justice.
The Right to Worship Your God is Justice.
The Right Not to Worship any God is Justice.
The Right to Vote is Justice.

If we Liberals fight for Justice, We fight for a whole set of values that conservatives fight to destroy.

by SRconbio 2004-11-18 06:13PM | 0 recs
Slogan?
To, for just a moment, move ahead to the next step after defining what progressivism/liberalism is, which is to encapsulate it in such a way that's easily understandable and communicates its essence without getting too hung up on specifics, I've lately been thinking about a certain slogan.  Unfortunately, it has the disadvantage of being associated with an organization that has gone through some rough times, and is not always held in the highest esteem, but it is an example of the kind of slogan which we need to develop and disseminate:

Progressives and liberals see the role of government as being to protect and serve the people.  Conservatives, while preaching an ideology that minimizes the need for and efficacy of government, have no scruples, when they are in power, about using the available mechanisms of government to protect and serve their own interests and those of big business and the upper class.

So the clear difference is in whose interests are being protected, and who is being served.

Progressives and liberals stand for protecting and serving the people.

by Ed Fitzgerald 2004-11-19 12:45AM | 0 recs

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