Final Gallup Poll: Tied national, Kerry(FL, OH, MN) , Bush (PA, IA, WI)

They've covered their bases with this poll +/-3%, 28-30, Gallup/CNN:
              RV's         LV's         LV's+NATIONALKerry         48           47           49
Bush          46           49           49
Nader                       1            1
Undecided                   3            -
Other                       -            1

              RV's         LV's

FLORIDAKerry         49           49
Bush          45           46 IOWAKerry         46           46
Bush          47           48MINNESOTAKerry         51           52
Bush          43           44OHIOKerry         51           50
Bush          44           46PENSYLVANIAKerry         49           46
Bush          47           50WISCONSINKerry         46           44
Bush          49           52
More eggs, more scramble. Everything else breaking the way we think it does, Kerry wins 273-265 in the EV map, assuming Kerry wins New Mexico & New Hampshire. What can you say about the RV/LV numbers for Pennsylvania? You don't get to see that very often, nor has Gallup ever showed a tie race in their final poll.

Update: Edited & WI corrected. CNN has an error in their graph of Wisconsin (numbers reversed) apparently.

Update (Chris): Gallup's final polls may show a Kerry victory, but I stand by my comments over the past two months. Gallup is conducting horrible polls.

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Comments

56 Comments

Stick a fork in the chimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so pumped, if Gallup has this race like this, with a 6 pt advantage to republicans, it is Over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by partyguy708 2004-10-31 04:29PM | 0 recs
Wisconsin LV's reversed
Thanks for posting, but the poll has Bush up 8 (LV) in Wisconsin, not Kerry.
by mll 2004-10-31 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Wisconsin LV's reversed
OK, yea, they have their graph wrong then I guess...
by Jerome Armstrong 2004-10-31 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Wisconsin LV's reversed
You made a mistake about RV.

IT'S KERRY 48, BUSH 46, that's  inline with almost all RV  NUMBERS OF ALL POLLS.

The kerry 47, bush 49 is the likely voters when undecideds do not break out.

Please correct it.

by firestorm 2004-10-31 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Wisconsin LV's reversed
IMHO, there is no way WI is going Bush.
by shlenny 2004-10-31 04:50PM | 0 recs
Check national RV
I believe it's Kerry 48, Bush 46.
by firestorm 2004-10-31 04:30PM | 0 recs
Which one is it with Wisconsin?
The article reads that Bush has a plus 8 advantage, but their graph shows Kerry with +8.
by bushsucks 2004-10-31 04:31PM | 0 recs
PA and WI---WTF?
PA goes from Kerry 49-47 RVs to Bush 50-46 LVs?!

WI goes from Bush 49-46 RVs to Kerry 52-44 LVs?!?!

Madness!  

But my, oh my, those FL and OH numbers are a thing of beauty.  Almost every other poll has Kerry winning PA, so I'm not too concerned about that.  But Kerry at 49-51 in FL and OH, and Bush in the 45-46 range...please, please let it be true.

by Haggai 2004-10-31 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: PA and WI---WTF?
OK, so the WI LVs were reversed.  Still, Bush up by 8 there?  Bush winning PA?  Those numbers are whack.  So maybe we shouldn't get too excited about the OH and FL numbers.  Still, Gallup's been so skewed toward Bush with their messed up samples that it's hard not to treat any "good" news from them as being a harbinger of very good news in reality.
by Haggai 2004-10-31 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: PA and WI---WTF?
Bush won't win PA.  I am one of those who don't have a home land line and I'm voting for Kerry.  There are a lot more of us, of the top of my head I can think of five.  I'm sure we're safe in PA!
by Smileswearily 2004-10-31 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: PA and WI---WTF?
This makes no sense.  How can moving from RV to LV change Pennsylvania from +2 to -4, or Wisconsin from -3 to -8?
by KTinOhio 2004-10-31 04:50PM | 0 recs
National RV
kerry 48, Bush 46.

Among  likely voters(3 percent undecideds)
Kerry 47,
Bush 49

Among likely voters(breakout  2;1 based on prior voting pattern)
Kerry 49
Bush  49

by firestorm 2004-10-31 04:34PM | 0 recs
National - Correct results
RV : K 48 - B 46
LV : K 47 - B 49
with allocation of the undecided K 49 - B 49.

Still great coming from Gallup and their biased samples.

by Mass 2004-10-31 04:35PM | 0 recs
Good News/Bad News
Good news is the Incumbent rarely moves more than a percent up or down from the final numbers, also the challenger seems to gain on his final Gallup numbers.

Bad News, for the sake of argument, is that there is not much room for Kerry to move.  Of course the fight is won in EV, so lets GOTV.

by yitbos96bb 2004-10-31 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Good News/Bad News
Of course this is all just historical and could easily change for this election.
by yitbos96bb 2004-10-31 04:42PM | 0 recs
horror scenario looms
If these RV numbers are predictive, and Kerry wins NH but Bush wins NM (which is a probable split of those states): 269-269.

It really is halloween...

by globecanvas 2004-10-31 04:42PM | 0 recs
What?
The RV numbers--not the LVs, but the RVs--show Kerry winning all three of FL, OH, and PA.  How do we possibly get an electoral college tie if that happens?
by Haggai 2004-10-31 04:48PM | 0 recs
No tie
it is a landslide in the Electoral College.
by Coldblue 2004-10-31 04:57PM | 0 recs
oops
I misallocated Ohio.  My bad.  I was going off Jerome's "Kerry wins 273-265 in the EV map, assuming Kerry wins New Mexico & New Hampshire," which I think was referring to the LV #s rather than the RV #s.
by globecanvas 2004-10-31 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: oops
Ah, OK.  But does any of us really expect Kerry to win FL and OH while losing PA?  That combination seems all kinds of unlikely.  Yes, weirder things have happened, but I really don't think that's how it'll turn out.
by Haggai 2004-10-31 05:38PM | 0 recs
heh...
sounds to me like Gallup realized which way the wind was blowing, so next time they can point to this poll and say "see? we predicted it was going to be close!" and start the whole thing over again.
by johnny longtorso 2004-10-31 04:49PM | 0 recs
well it is going to be close
I'd love to see Kerry win in a blowout, but a close Kerry win seems most likely (a close win by the forces of darkness slightly less likely than Kerry by +300 EVs, but either quite possible.) I think Kerry has a much better chance in WI than in NM-- one reason: same-day registration.
by accommodatingly 2004-10-31 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: heh...
I'm begining to think these pollsters are
hedging. After all, any of them can now say that they were within a + or - 4%.

Here's some disturbing news from the CBS/NY Times poll. They are reporting undecided voters lean to President Bush 50%-47%, so is the Pew poll. See their sites for their internals. Zogby did the same in 2000-correctly caling undecideds breaking for Gore or the incumbent. Now we are to believe they will break for the challenger/Senator Kerry?

These pollsters are more about jerking people around than accurate forecasts. There will be some bitterly dissapointed people on Tuesday based on these polls. Too many Kerry people are going in too confident and will probably not vote-goodbye election!

by Topcat 2004-10-31 07:13PM | 0 recs
if Gallup shows it tied...
Then you know it's got to be Kerry winning by a mile. The internals would be interesting to see... if it's got (as usual) Republicans with a big lead in party ID, then this thing isn't going to be remotely close.
by drewthaler 2004-10-31 05:01PM | 0 recs
Gallup to me is still crap
I agree with you Chris. I think have a great in OH, FL, and PA.  
by jp2 2004-10-31 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup to me is still crap
Same, Chris is right, Gallup has been crap and it still is

UnitedLeft

by NCdemocrat 2004-10-31 05:41PM | 0 recs
let's weight these!
based on Gallup internals from here ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1264285/posts , yes.. I know.. but I got it from DK ).. here are the weighted results (35R/39D/26I)

50-46 Kerry

Party ID-
R: 92-6 Bush
D: 90-8 Kerry
I: 50-42 Kerry

by RBH 2004-10-31 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: let's weight these!
Do you know how was it originally weighted?
by bushsucks 2004-10-31 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: let's weight these!
nope..

but i'd imagine they oversampled Republicans again, considering that there's such a disparity between their Bush number and my Bush number

by RBH 2004-10-31 05:11PM | 0 recs
PA
Also, the CNN poll has Kerry leading two points with Pennsylvania's registered voters. Since turnout will be huge, Kerry will win Pennsylvania
by musa 2004-10-31 05:05PM | 0 recs
Its not over
We still have work to do, but numbers look good for Kerry.
by agpc 2004-10-31 05:07PM | 0 recs
Gallup did this in 2000 as well
They had Bush up big in most of their 2000 polls (at one point in October they had him up by 13), and then came into line with their last poll (48-46 Bush).  It's almost as if they want to prop up the Republicans for as long as they can, but get back into line so their final poll numbers are relatively accurate and they can retain their reputation.

The non-conspiritorial take on this is that their LV screens are so tough and lean Republican that as more folks make up their minds, get more engaged (and actually vote), the screens have less of an effect at the end.

by Steve F 2004-10-31 05:19PM | 0 recs
Major polls
These natinal polls continue to show that it's a turnout election. Correct me if Im wrong but every major poll released over the weekend except CBS shows Kerry ahead among registered voters. If we hold serve and turnout with historical or better levels It's Over. GOTV.
by markgolf630 2004-10-31 05:24PM | 0 recs
Gallup
Does anyone know what the internals are in the latest Gallup poll? Would be curious. It seemed to be implied in one of the other comments, but I am not sure.

Thanks

by Hansolo 2004-10-31 06:01PM | 0 recs
Cell phone poll?
I found this at MSNBC Hardblogger.  Does anybody have any information about the methodology?  I want so much to believe this!

Zogby's cell phone poll is favoring Kerry (Joe Trippi)

Finally, someone has done a SMS Text Messaging poll of cell phone users
between the ages of 18 and 29.  Last night, John Zogby conducted the survey
in conjunction with Rock the Vote and the results revealed a 15% lead for
John Kerry over George Bush among these voters.  Kerry had 55% with Bush
garnering 40% of those surveyed.

I've been looking at the data from polls in state after state- and there is
a common pattern in most of them.  Among voters over the age of thirty, Bush
or Kerry (depending on the state) hold a very slim advantage.  Among voters
under the age of thirty- and in just about every state- Kerry holds a
significant advantage over Bush.   So if this is true, if among those over
30 it's a dead heat or Bush has a slight advantage, then why with Kerry's
huge advantage among those under 30 just about everywhere, is that advantage
not enough to show him in the lead in national and state polls?

The reason in my view is that pollsters are using old turn-out models for
younger voters, and are failing to see the increased intensity among these
voters, and therefore are likely to be surprised on Tuesday night.  It is
now becoming increasingly clear to me that if John Kerry wins on Tuesday it
will be due to an unprecedented turnout among younger voters.

Using Florida as an example:

  Zogby statewide has the race 49% Kerry to 47% for Bush.

  Among voters 29 years old or younger, it's Kerry 63% and Bush 24%

  Among voters over 50 years old its Kerry 44% and Bush 51%

  With a statistical dead heat among all voters between 30 and 50 years of
age.

If there is a higher than expected turn out of young voters in Florida- John
Kerry wins the state, and probably with it the White House.

This tends to be true in most of the states that are still up in the air.
What this means is that voters between the ages of 18 and 29 are the future,
and what they do on Tuesday will decide the nation's futures for the first
time in decades.

No wonder John Kerry has suddenly begun to use the Howard Dean "you have the
power" refrain in his speeches in these last days of the campaign.

Please let me know what you think, and please let me know of any stories,
animations, or facts you think need to be reported on between now and the
election.   E-mail me right now at Jtrippi@msnbc.com

Thanks, Joe

by Drummond 2004-10-31 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Cell phone poll?
It's a bunk poll imo.  RTV did a similar one in January, same 55 vote total for Kerry, Bush was a lot lower, and there were more undecideds. The problem is, this is an opt-in poll, it's not all cell phone users-- it's those that do text messaging with Motorola and are into RTV.
by Jerome Armstrong 2004-10-31 06:23PM | 0 recs
So why did Zogby bother?
I don't subscribe to his site, but I'm wondering how he justifies the methodology as sufficiently random.
by Drummond 2004-10-31 06:32PM | 0 recs
because he was paid by Rock The Vote
Ultimately a pollster will run any poll you are willing to pay for. Besides, even though it's fluff, it's great publicity for Zogby. Everyone will be (and has been) passing this around since it fits right in to the discussion about cellphone-only households.

If and when Kerry wins the worthiness and accuracy of the poll won't matter -- the armies of clueless reporters will take it as gospel.

by drewthaler 2004-10-31 07:47PM | 0 recs
For what its worth.
I live in Texas, Bush's backyard and I can't tell you how many people I know that voted for Bush in 2000 but are going to vote for Kerry in 04.  In addition, all Nader voters that I know are also switching to Kerry and no Gore voters that I know of are moving to Bush.  Now I am not foolish, Bush will still win Texas and he will win it big, but this type of movement away from Bush in his own backyard has to be more intense nationally, especially outside of the South.

Bush won Texas 59 to 38 in 2000.  The latest Survey USA poll has Bush leading 59 to 37.  They are way off, look for Texas to be around 54 to 42, then apply that degree of tightening nationally and you will have a Kerry landslide.  I hope.

by liberalintexas 2004-10-31 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: For what its worth.
from your lips to gods ears
by Timby 2004-10-31 06:28PM | 0 recs
Re: For what its worth.
I am in Houston, Texas and I noticed the same thing when I went to early voting on thursday.

The location was very crowded and I saw many hispanics and african americans there, standing in line.  One elderly african american lady, who was wheelchair bound, waited the hour it took to vote.  Bush will win Texas handily, but there is no doubt in my mind that minorities are turning out in the heart of a republican stronghold.

by agpc 2004-10-31 07:16PM | 0 recs
Let's not count our chickens too soon...
We shouldn't put too much stock in the Gallup numbers. We can't slam them all year and then crow when they're in our favor. Things generally look good for Kerry but some of the internals of the various polls out there suggests that the undecideds may break 50-50. Plus, Kerry's favorables are in the low 40s in some of these polls. So this thing isn't over by a long shot...
by smartliberal 2004-10-31 07:13PM | 0 recs
Moment of truth
I've said this all along, and I'll keep saying it until I'm proven wrong: people are angry, they are emotional, and they want to kick Bush out of office. This is not like 2000 or 2002 or any election since 1932! Had Lyndon Johnson ran in 1968, the result would have been similar to what we are experiencing now: another dim-witted Texas governor hated by the populous for mismanaging a war and letting the federal finance spiral out of control.
by Paul Goodman 2004-10-31 08:32PM | 0 recs
Internal Polling
A Fox News article quotes Karl Rove as saying "We're winning. We will win Ohio and Florida, + 2 or 3 of the 4 Kerry states up for grabs."

Joe Scarborah also quotes sources inside the Republican campaign suggesting Bush has experienced a surge.

Is it me or this complete nonsense. Bush's support nationally, in states like Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, and Minnesota all seems to have eroded over the past 4-5 days, while Kerry has remained constant, perhaps picking up a few leaners. All indications are that Undecided's are going to break for Kerry. All indications are that the Democrats are going to exceed the Republican push to get out the vote. The only place where there has been any forward momentum for Bush has been in Ohio, which now looks tricky for Kerry.

Has anyone heard anything on the grapevine about Democratic internal polling. Greenberg said some nice things about the Osama tape, but anything attributed to Mary Beth, or Mr Brum?

by Graham 2004-10-31 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Internal Polling
Consider the source.  Karl Rove has never told the truth about anything in his life, why would he start now?  

Besides, this is the same guy who was predicting an easy win for Bush in 2000, and we know what happened there.

by PonyFan 2004-10-31 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Internal Polling
I caleld my guy today and I heard lots of chear leading from the Kerry headquarters but it is just that and that bothers me. The mood is definitely anxious-they are putting a good spin on it for the press but not with me. Here's a few things that have me worried:  We pulled out of MO weeks ago with all advertising-we've already got it colored in red in our maps and when was the last time a Democrat won the White House without MO? I think the answer is not in the last 100 years. Somebody please check me on that because I'd like to find out differently. But so goes Mo so goes our guy.  So we are pinning our hopes on stopping Bush in Ohio. Florida contacts tell me it will be tougher for us this time-that is why we spent so much time in Ohio. Rove was too confident there and gave us an opening until this last week.

We're still not where we need to be. We're counting on a fallacy of undecideds breaking for the challenger. In 2000 and 1992 they broke for the incumbent. As a matter of fact other than 2000 I cannot find a late Gallup poll where the Republican presidential candidate did not do better than his Gallup numbers going all the way back to '68. In other words a lot of the undecideds breaking for the challenger seems true when the challenger is a conservative. 2000 is our hope but In 2000 we nailed Bushie with the late DUI charge. I widh we had another stink bomb for him Monday but we don't.

Another think that bothers me: we've had to spend precious advertising dollars on Hawaii? HAWAII!! Geez they went for Dukakis even after they had called the election for papa Bush. Gore won it by 20 points and we're having to defend it. Now I think we will win it but I also think we will lose NM but pick up NH. We'll win Michigan and probably PA but probably lose Florida, Iowa and after that it gets exciting. We have to stop Bush in Ohio and hope to hang on to WI. IF Bush wins Florida, and a combination of Ohio or Iowa and WI we are done, and you might as well start working on 2008.

OK maybe I am getting too pessimistic. I like to root for my guy but too many of
us are just doing that and not looking at the facts-geez is there a single poll where we are up-withut doing contortions of our own? Think about it- with a + or - 3-4% there should be at least one of them with us up- up unless we are down-down by 3 as the Pew and CBS poll stated.  I know some of you don't like to hear that but I think the oppostie fantasy land is worse e.g. I've got friend who says he is for Kerry but may not vote because he knows we have it in the bag.

He said he got that from some blog. I hate to admit it but every since Gov Dean got knocked out the Repubs have better blogs and anlysis going on and I just hope it doesn't come back to bite us on election day.

by Topcat 2004-10-31 08:19PM | 0 recs
Troll?
I think so. First MyDD post on 10/31, 3 total posts, all with the same negative theme.
by EvanstonDem 2004-10-31 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Troll?
Yes I'm negative-I admit that-and if someone who thinks mindless chear leading is hurting us more than helping well then call me a troll or whatever else you would like but my friends phone call just put me over the edge. He reads these  blogs and until today I have tried not too. He and others should be out walking door to door.
The competition will not roll over just because we want them too- we need more volunteers for a get out the vote but that might require something other than name calling wouldn't it?

At least if we lose this Tuesday I'll know why.

Maybe after sleep I'll feel better and owe you an apology. Please Kerry can still win if you walk the precincts but it is not assured!

by Topcat 2004-10-31 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Troll?
Perhaps I was also too harsh. Certainly anybody who thinks they don't need to vote because Kerry has this in the bag is mistaken. I'm about to go out in the rain to do GOTV, so I'm going my best for Kerry and local candidates!
by EvanstonDem 2004-11-01 04:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Internal Polling
I'm in MO and was at the local campaign HQ all day Saturday, manning the phones in what is a rural, mostly Republican area.  You wouldn't have known it from some of the responses though.  When old ladies say they will vote Kerry if it's the last thing they do in life and old men say they would crawl to the polls to get rid of Bush, it does tend to lift our spirits!  I'm not saying MO will turn to Kerry, but neither am I sure the pollsters are accurately reporting what's going on here.  On Tuesday, we  will be in St. Louis, trying to get as many people as possible out to vote and, although I am one of those pessimistic souls who hardly dares hope, I think that if conservative Missouri doesn't overwhelmingly embrace Bush, we are in with a good chance in Ohio and maybe Florida.

We shall see.      

by mopat 2004-10-31 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Internal Polling
Yup, I smell troll!
by aruac 2004-11-01 01:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Internal Polling
I don't think Topcat is a troll, but he's wrong. While Republicans have rarely done worse than their final Gallup, they rarely do better. In 1996 and 1992, undecideds broke for the challenger or one of the challengers (Dole in '96, Perot in '92). In '88 Bush underperformed his final Gallup numbers. In '84 Reagan ended with the same percentage as his final Gallup. Even Nixon underperformed his final Gallup in the '72 wipeout. In 1976 Ford underperformed his final Gallup numbers, and Carter outperformed his by 2%. In fact, this election looks remarkably similar to '76. The final Gallup had Ford 49-48. See the numbers for yourself at http://www.ncpp.org/1936-2000.htm.
by dfaris 2004-11-01 02:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Internal Polling
When was the last time that a Democrat won the Presidency without Missouri?  How about Al Gore?  But what's the relevance of this question.  When was the last time that a Republican won without winning at least one New England State?  The point is that there has been a major shift in party affiliation that began in 1980 and continues today.  In 1976, Carter won the election by carrying the South.  The South was his base.  He lost Northern New England.  Is this relevant to this election?  Obviously not, other than it shows that there have been massive changes in party affiliation in the past 30 years.  What happened in the past is not necessarily a predictor of what happens in the future and in this case, we can safely conclude that how Democratic candidates did in Missouri in the past is completely irrelevant.
by gunnar 2004-11-01 06:11PM | 0 recs
What do you expect him to do?
Do you expect him to start cracking-up? Do you expect him to break down and admit that things aren't going so good? Putting on a false front to win the election is this man's sole purpose in life. He's not a doctor, or a cook, or a car salesman... he eats because he is a pro at what he does.

If he was smart. he would say that Kerry would win in a landslide. That way lazy dems might not show up to vote.

by Paul Goodman 2004-10-31 08:35PM | 0 recs
ITS TIME TO FOLLOW THROUGH...WORK THEN CELEBRATE
The ground game ..it has come down to work,sweat,
and commitment.

I will be taking a man with a broken back and
his wife to the Benton County Courthouse she
voted for Bush last election but now is voting
for Kerry only with our follow up and encouragement she is going, she really thought
about sitting it out but now she has support
and help.

I will be like a laser keeping my eye on the ball
and prize.

Then comes the happiness of knowing you did your
best.

I did not do much last time gave some money to
Gore and Mary Landruie in Louisana but I want
my country back. I want the best and brightest
in there then making decisions based on wisdom,
discernment and courage.

I want to encourage everyone to

WORK

WIN

CELEBRATE

BACK TO WORK TO CLEAN UP A MESS

by Aslanspal 2004-10-31 08:09PM | 0 recs
Zogby last national poll monday.
Does anyone have any inside info on Zogby final poll? 48-48 sunday. I woke up at 2:00 with Zogby number spinning in my head. I sure would like to see Bush no higher than 47-48. Nervous in Charlotte.AR in Charlotte.
by AR in Charlotte 2004-10-31 09:15PM | 0 recs

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